More Dangerous Than Heroin ?.That's Right , Alcohol

[Bodineian]

i have witnessed many going through withdrawl and i tell yer that alcohol detox is much harder and more life threatening than heroin , morphine and whatnot.

Withdrawl (cold turkey)from anti-depressants and other corporate psych meds is dangerous as well.

The drug addicts mostly curl up,fetal position style and are flu like sick for a few days during withdrawl.


The alcoholic loses his mind(big time)for a week. Internally the body changes and starts using the alcohol for fuel rather than food nutrition. Go off the alcohol and it is a metabolic disaster. Many alcoholics are near death because of the depletion of nutritional status.

Corporate alcohol, corporate drugs , anything to keep the average American unconscious.

[Haole Girl]

1. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[billyskank]

2. BTW

The lounge, on balance, tends to be in favour of alcohol. ;)

[LeftyMom]

3. yep!

:thumbsup:

Lara's probably channeling Carrie Nation this morning though. :P

[PrimeRibGuy]

39. Yeah

I am pretty lit right now, watching the Vikes lose again.

[a kennedy]

48. LOL, the queens lose??? No not the queens......

and this from a Packer fan.... :cry: :cry: :cry: I feel your pain.

[Omphaloskepsis]

4. So I should switch to Heroin... ? That is odd.

I will give it a "shot" and let you know the results.

[bicentennial_baby]

7. ....

:spray:

[hedgehog]

45. Morphine was once a treatment for alcoholism.

The morphine addicts were quiet, went to work and didn't beat their wives any more!

[cwydro]

5. Well, I'm pretty hungover today

but it's nothing a good 4 mile run won't cure. Not so sure I'd be up to running if I'd been doing heroin instead.:hangover:

[BarenakedLady]

6. Day one sober

I've gone over 24 hours without a drink. First time in for quite a few months. Let's just say yesterday/last evening were pure hell.

[BikeWriter]

8. It's been three hours for me, but I'm awake now.

[cwydro]

16. Three hours

:rofl: . OW, it hurts to laugh...

[cwydro]

11. Hang in there

and good for you....:hug:

[Phillycat]

12. Good for you!

The first day is the hardest. I am here if you want to talk. :hug:

[SPKrazy]

15. It Can Get Better!

do you have support in that?

AA can help

other groups can help

hang in there BNL, while I have nothing against alcohol, I do know that it isn't my friend anymore.

[Taverner]

53. Yikes! Take care!

My mom did it a few years back...it wasn't pretty

[BikeWriter]

9. I'm an alcoholic, but I can do punctuation.

:toast:

[bicentennial_baby]

10. ....

:rofl:

[BikeWriter]

13. Hee hee hee! G'morning, Sweety.

:hi:

[BikeWriter]

14. This is to inform you, you have been copycatted. ;-)

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

17. Welcome to the Lounge!

We like alcohol. I also like punctuation, even when I'm drunk off my ass posting.

You are not going to convince the lounge alcohol is bad ever.

[BikeWriter]

18. HOORAW!

:beer: :toast:

[Phillycat]

19. Depends on the Lounger in question.

:)

[billyskank]

20. ...

We're kinda in a minority round here. ;)

[Phillycat]

21. I didn't know you didn't drink.

Just a life choice or are you "one of us"?

[billyskank]

23. Life choice

I joined the Hare Krishnas, and we don't drink.

[Phillycat]

26. I did not know that!

I have a friend who was raised in a Krishna commune in India. He has left the church, however, because of some abuse that he suffered as a child at that commune, separated from his parents. His story is available online, if you want to read it, I will PM you his name.

I think the Krishna religion has some wonderful ideas, but of course, when humans get their hands on things, they insist on mucking them up. :)

[billyskank]

28. Yeah I heard about that

child abuse going on at Hare Krishna schools ("gurukulas" they call them). Bad shit. We should be so careful letting adults have power over children - somebody needs to keep an eye on the adults too - and never assume that just because somebody follows some religion or other means they won't do anything bad.

[Phillycat]

29. Very true words.

I PM'd you. :)

[billyskank]

30. I received it

and replied. :hi:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

22. That's true, I knew you didn't drink.

However, you also didn't introduce yourself with a lecture on the evils of alcohol. It's not exactly an effective way to make friends and influence Loungers.

[Phillycat]

25. True.

I'm wondering if perhaps the OP had some personal experience that he generalized for the audience. Like maybe himself or a loved one went through something recently and he wanted to talk about it without getting too personal. People's pain comes out in different ways sometimes, you know?

[TheFriendlyAnarchist]

54. Huh. . .I read it that he was reporting on the hypocrasy (sp?) of having heroin be

illegal even if it isn't as bad as alcohol. However, if he was indeed saying that there should be prohibition, then the Lounge probably won't be the best place.

[SPKrazy]

24. This Is True

some of us (well me) have been deemed too insane to drink LOL

and the lounge and everyplace else might be grateful that this is true

:rofl:

[idgiehkt]

42. oh. my. god.

thanks be to the gods I quit drinking pre-internet.

I can tell you for certain my naked ass would be plastered all over cyber-space, lol, if the internet had been around back in the day. I shudder to think...

:rofl:

[GirlinContempt]

27. Alcohol detox harder than heroin?

Someone lied to you, honey.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

31. Actually, there are more deaths from alcohol withdrawal.

I don't know if the actual experience is worse though.

[JVS]

32. Is that why people say "to your health" when toasting?

:toast:

[Xipe Totec]

61. They say, na zdarovye! or

к вашему здоровью

(to your health)

[cwydro]

33. Yeah, I remember being surpised at this fact

in college. I took an addictions class (Psych major) and we were indeed taught that alcohol withdrawal is worse than heroin withdrawal. We had to watch some pretty grim films on it.

[NC_Nurse]

34. It's true.

Alcoholic seizures can be deadly.

Both suck for sure...

[idgiehkt]

37. ah, the good old days

of flopping around on the living room floor in withdrawal seizures, biting the blood out of my tongue and urinating on myself while my boyfriend freaked out in the background (I never lost my sense of hearing when that was going on, although I couldn't see...weird, huh?)

it's such a glamorous drug, lol.

[NC_Nurse]

40. I'm glad you made it!

You could be dead. :scared:

Most people don't realize that alcohol can be such a killer, not just drinking and driving.

[idgiehkt]

41. lol, the whole reason I quit was because I kept running into people with my car.

It's not funny, of course, but it finally occurred to me that I probably wasn't going to die from it; instead at the rate things were going I was probably going to take someone else out and have to live with it the rest of my life.

Thanks for that. :hug:

[SPKrazy]

59. That Is Something That I Don't Know If I Could Live With

if I was drunk and killed someone.

I have a good friend who did that-then he did time for it. He has done remarkably well dealing with it.

There are so many reasons to not drink, it's amazing what gets our attention- its not always what others think it will be.

:hi:

[SPKrazy]

58. Didn't Have Seizures

but people would find me passed out in fields one summer when I worked in the oilfields of Oklahoma long ago. I remember my boss had a pit bull that would stand guard over me when I passed out in a field. I have no idea nor do I remember why I'd be in a field. I was living in a trailer on my boss's land and several times I'd be out there when I woke up, or came to.

it is such a glamorous drug. LOL

Glad you made it too! :hug:

[idgiehkt]

35. yes, because it can kill you

there is also the matter of DT's...not fun.

It used to be that people would say alcohol is the hardest drug there is because it's such a metabolic poison and it's effect on the all the body systems, which is pretty caustic, but I think crack and meth are just as nasty at this point.

[Irreverend IX]

49. Alcohol withdrawal is potentially lethal; opiate withdrawal isn't.

Quitting heroin cold turkey can be unpleasant, as you're plunged into a world of agony while your brain adjusts its pain threshold upward. However, withdrawal can kill alcoholics unless they gradually taper off. Hospitals will even give doses of alcohol to addicted patients.

[Bodineian]

52. I have seen it many times "Honie"

I worked at a jail for 7 years so i know what it be like Honieyerself.

Morphine IV users suffer longer than heroin however.

heroin IV users suffer and are sick yes.

Hard drug users went cold turkey and got vitamins by mouth for 30 days.
Even in cold turkey an addict will attempt to manipulate.

The alcoholic gets an injection of magnesium and high doses of Librium for 9 days, that is if they agree to tx. It is hard to convince one to take meds if yer cannot convince them they are in jail, "Honie"

The Alcoholic loses sense of place and time will stand at his cell door for sometimes two days without eating nor sleeping. They pick dirt and whatnot off the floor and eat it and are pretty much helpless for at least a week. It is sad and a very life threatening situation.

Seen a few die from alcohol. They turn yellow and the ammonia level in the bloodstream pickles the brain, then yer dead, "honie".

[GirlinContempt]

57. I have no idea what a 'honie' is

Can you enlighten me?

[Oeditpus Rex]

36. So the lesson here is

"Quitting can kill you. Don't quit."

:shrug:

[Midlodemocrat]

38. Absolutely. Avoid hangovers. Stay drunk.

:thumbsup:

[Mythsaje]

43. Alcohol is the ONLY drug certified by the feds

as being "crimogenic." Alcohol, more than any other drug out there, specifically CAUSES crime.

[hedgehog]

44. That's what my mother always said, and she worked for years

with both drug addicts, alcoholics and alcoholic drug addicts!

[Bodineian]

46. Just the Facts. Drink All Yer Want To

Just an FYI and no disrespect for those who like alcohol.

Alcohol is insidious.

The man wants yer on alcohol because it make yer unconscious. The man likes the unconscious masses eh?

Why the hangover?

Because alcohol is also a mild posion. Drink too muck and yer sick as a dog.

Here in West-bygod-Virginia alcohol takes responsibility for family members and close friends wanting to kill each other.

To me the worst part is trying to make love when drunk. Make love when the senses are dulled and yer missing out big time.

[noonwitch]

47. Alcohol is also the most damaging to a fetus

I've seen babies with FAS, born with crack in their system or those born addicted to heroin. Out of all of them, the FAS babies are the worst off in the long run. With the illegal drugs, sometimes the babies have problems due to the lifestyle of the mother-no prenatal care, diseases of the sexually transmitted nature or of the living in filth nature, sometimes the babies are born outside without medical attention, and so on. But if a pregnant drug-abusing mother gets into rehab, even near the end of her pregnancy, the damage to the baby can be minimalized.

Alcohol kills too many brain cells, and leaves the babies permanently disabled.

[idgiehkt]

50. FAS = fetal alchohol syndrome

I think babies born with this have certain identifying characteristics, just like downs syndrome, don't they.

[Irreverend IX]

51. Get your fetus drunk enough, and it'll have a smooth cerebral cortex.

No other drug does that. I was told that a particular mother reported to the hospital drunk after her water broke and proceeded to deliver a stillborn with the worst case of FAS on record, including a non-wrinkly brain. When slides of said brain were shown to a conference of neuroscientists they were speechless. Stimulants like cocaine can cause mild problems with brain development, leading to hyperactivity, etc., in later life, but nothing on the level of FAS. Heroin's only effect is an agonizing infancy, since once the baby is born his body is no longer flooded with super-painkillers. It doesn't mess up the brain on a phsyical level, but extreme pain early in life can't be good psychologically. Babies also tend to scream their heads off during withdrawal.

Personally, I fail to comprehend how anyone can enjoy alcohol, as I can feel it poisoning me as I drink and even the tiniest sip never fails to produce a splitting headache. Most people say they get a buzz from it, but I've never felt any such thing. Still, it's no concern of mine if other people want to kill themselves as long as they aren't allowed to burden society on their way out.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

55. A friend of mine would concur...

She was married to a guy who was addicted to both. :-(

[medeak]

56. heroin addict asked to donate kidney to his Dad

dr told him organs not affected like alcohol as metabolized so quickly.

Good news...after 30 yrs addiction this friend has been sober for 10 months via Salvation Army.

[Xipe Totec]

60. you're harshing my buzz (hic!) n/t