Know what I'm getting real sick of?

[Kerrytravelers]

I'm not going to necessarily post a link, because that might be considered calling out a particular Duer, and it would also lead to possible flame wars, and I don't want to be responsible for that.

However, I will say that I have noticed to others and to myself, a slightly sassy and snarky tone in reply posts by newbies that are completely uncalled for. They are not liking the inclusion of pictures or the way others have of expressing themselves. It's not rampant, but I've noticed. I've written their names on a post-it that is stuck to my monitor. These aren't necessarily trolls, just those who come across a bit... a-holish.

Now, let me make another comment regarding the word "newbie." I don't want every new poster to read this and think that I'm some jerk who automatically thinks that because I've been here over two years, I'm somehow now qualified to judge every single poster who has recently joined. And it's not about have a political disagreement. It has nothing to do with that at all.

My comment is that I have seen some pretty snarky and rude remarks. It's almost like they can't quite be nice to "liberals," but don't want to be tombstone right away, either. However, I won't be surprised if I check on their user name in a few months and find a virtual graveyard of tombstones.

Ok. That is all. Just needed to vent. YOu don't even have to reply, I just wanted to get that off my chest.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

1. I completely agree.

Some of them even have real obvious usernames.

[Kerrytravelers]

3. Yep. And some are a bit more clever.

Ah, well. I just need to learn to let things go. I just see this, DU, as a board that I can relax at, and not have to put up with such foolishness... well, their particular brand of foolishness, anyway! :eyes:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

5. DU hasn't been a board I can relax at since well...

what day was the NJ ruling handed down again?

[Kerrytravelers]

8. Funny how they all come out from under their rocks, huh?

Imagine the timing.

:eyes:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

11. Actually...

the sad thing is, many of them were long-time members.

[Kerrytravelers]

15. Yes, recalling some previous conversation between us, I do recall

a few you are referring to. It's like they're multiplying! They're like rabbits! Soon, it'll be like that VISA commercials! AGGGG!!!!

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

18. Sadly, for a relatively nominal fee, I got my bunnies fixed...

If only it was always so easy.

[Kerrytravelers]

25. Oh you have bunnies!

I love them. They're so fluffy and soft.

I have no room to house bunnies, but I do love them! They're always so cute.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

33. Yep, I have two.

This is my dwarf Darwin. He has the sweetest personality and loves to cuddle.


And this is Elfie (my stepbro named her). She's a Rex/Dwarf mix...


They're in their backyard playpen there, but they actually live in the garage. Soon they'll move into the house again for the winter (once their water bottle freezes, they become house bunnies).

[Kerrytravelers]

36. Lordy, how cute are they?

I think I'm in love. Look at those cute little noses and little feet! The cuteness level is rising!

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

38. I've had them since they were about six weeks old.

Darwin was practically the size of a hamster. He fit totally in the palm of my hand (which is tiny, since I'm only 5'1").

[Kerrytravelers]

48. Oh, how cute! They are so tiny!

Fuzzy and tiny!

You need a serious cute alert with those little guys!

[lildreamer316]

2. You're just NOW noticing?

No offense, said freindly-like.
I've been seeing this since about midsummer. Annoying as hell, too. I was hoping it would die down after the election, but the unfortunate side effect of having won is that the tactics have changed.
Ah, well.

[Kerrytravelers]

4. I just got my Irish up after viewing a post from a few days ago

(I have been away from my computer for two days) and thinking- asshole. A total asshole comment was made that stuck me as particularly rude, if nothing else.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

6. OMG!

You just said, "I got my Irish up!" I say that all the time. I even have the tank top:

[Kerrytravelers]

7. I love that!

And let me tell you, I sure can get my Irish up!

[MaryBear]

9. So

you're not talking about me, right!

[Kerrytravelers]

No.

Not in the least. We have a political disagreement. I'm talking about a completely different thing.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

10. Hehe. So can I.

Hell, I punched one of my best friends in the face on St. Patrick's Day. It went like this:

E: Jackie, I want to headbutt you.
J: No, it really hurt last time you did it.
E: Come on, let me headbutt you.
J: No.
E: Fine. Punch me in the face.

(I punch him in the face)

Fast forward to the next day, via text message:

E: Yo, did you punch in the face last night? I can still feel it.
J: You fucking asked me to. Anyway, I only did it about 1/3 strength.
E: Oh okay. Hey, are we hanging tonight, still?
J: Yeah, I'll pick up the beer.

It's my favorite holiday. Honestly though, when I'm really pissed, it's a fearsome thing.

[Dangerously Amused]

12. Hear you on that.

Just gotta ride it out.



:hi:



PS - yeah, some of the newbies are pretty cool tho!

[Montauk6]

13. What examples really stick out for you, Kerrytravelers?

I agree that sometimes this joint lapses into Stern-Fan-Network mode these days.

[Kerrytravelers]

49. Well, I hate to break DU rules and call someone out.

However, I'm thinking of any response that ignores the conversation and instead makes a snarky, personal remark that is completely uncalled for.

[Gold Metal Flake]

14. It's been said many times...

"If you see a post that seems trollish, aleert on it".

Now, if you see a post that seems funny, you write down the posters name. That's cool. It's a good idea. If you note a pattern, eventually you will reach a trigger point and alert. That's damn helpful for the mods. But understand that the mods are also looking for patterns. If you alert sooner a mod thread will get started and more eyes will watch and make notes in the mod forum. History will be gathered. Conversations will take place. Maybe IP searches undertaken, stuff like that.

Mods work hard. Users alerting are a big, big, big help. Sometimes if I see something that pings my trolldar, I alert with one word: sniff? The mods will weed through it.

Give the mods a hand. Use alert.

[Kerrytravelers]

21. I certainly do alert- and sometimes with a note that there is a pattern and I

include links.

I always worried I was going overboard.

Sometimes there are comments that are really straddling the line. It's more of an underhanded snarky response than a direct DU Rule violation.

[Gold Metal Flake]

30. When I was modding, I thought someone was going overboard...

It was not you!

Line straddling is a clue. Hate will out, ya know? And nuking a troll after watching, waiting for them to expose a bit too much of their sickness is lots of fun!

Don't worry about it, it is helpful.

:hi:

[Oeditpus Rex]

16. I just put one on ignore

Not a n00b per post count, but I'd never seen it before yesterday. It got snotty with me last night and escalated it a few minutes ago.

Buh-bye! :hi:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

20. Hehe.

*cough*

Damn cigs...

[Az]

29. Nice

And you were saying something about snarky people?

[Oeditpus Rex]

32. Hey, those things'll kill ya!

Y'know if you didn't smoke you wouldn't die?

:hug:

[uppityperson]

60. ? or was it the subject.

I have a reverse buddy list that I put people on all the time, and check periodically for granite.

Edited to add, I think subject. It is too bad. Now, off to GD for a round or 2...

[Az]

23. Since he has me on ignore I will post what he is refering to

As far as I can tell he posted a thread asking if he was the last person to hear of Lil Bush on Comedy Central. I responded as a joke.
Yes. Saddly you seem to be very uninformed of the future of Comedy Central. Shame on you.

I am sorry he missed the joke there but he did set it up himself.


Now if that is what has him all up in arms ... well I guess he just didn't get it.

[Writer]

37. I am going to say something... but I will not get into a flame war with you.

This is all I WILL say:

What I read here is a kind of social alpha behavior: You're trying to point out, in a rather cliquish, high school manner, that someone else is not quite as socially "up to it" as you are. And so you're cutting that person down for something that is so damned silly that it's really not even worth my time completing this post.

[Az]

40. Ok, I missed how I did that

Care to explain it to me? From my point of view I made a simple comment based on a synchronicity I observed. I got jumped on and started trying to back away from the argument in as civilly a way as I could manange. I mistakenly used a quote I often use in rights discussions which caused someone to think I was calling them stupid. I appologised and explained I meant the comment in a far more inclusive sense and was not calling him stupid. This appology was unacknowledged and the swarm came after me even further.

I am honestly interested in how that conversation got out of control.

[Beausoir]

44. Yep. The same old culprits are up to it again. Juvenile calling-out of people.

It never ends with this same little clique. They just can't resist their immature impulses.

Thankfully, their antics are getting less notice lately and I am encouraged by that.

[SeattleGirl]

17. I have noticed big-time.

I don't know the specific thread you are talking about, but I do know that I have come in for more than my fair share of hate-filled responses to several things I've posted (not threads I started). Thing is, I think the biggest thing these people were pissed off at me about is that I would not match them hate-word for hate-word about the subject of the thread.

I've put 3 people on ignore, and I've never had anyone on ignore before.

[Az]

19. The fact is we are a big tent

Not everyone on every side of the tent see eye to eye. Frankly I wouldn't want them to. Sometimes there are going to be clashes of positions. Sometimes there are going to be major emotional issues tied up in these discussusions.

Add into this mix the fact that online communication carries with it a bit of bravado on occaisions. Snarkiness is part and parcel of most online communities. People have to be careful that it does not go too far. But some amount of toughness is required in a political forum.

[Kerrytravelers]

22. Well, sure. I've been here long enough to have grown a thicker skin.

And it's not about simple political disagreements. That totally doesn't bother me. I'm just tired of the little underhanded personal snarky remarks.

And I wanted to vent. Sometimes you just gotta do that, ya' know?

[Az]

28. Indeed

Feeling a bit like that myself right now. A lot of times these issues are misunderstandings. But unfortunately some people don't know how to back up and try to see how to mend such a misunderstanding. They would rather pound on a person they think has slighted them. This is not a healthy way of dealing with problems.

[SeattleGirl]

24. I have no problem with toughness, and can handle some amount

of snarkiness. In fact, with most drive-by insulters and snarkers, as soon as I politely ask them to elaborate on what they mean, they usually go away. But man, this week it has been pure mean-spiritedness and personal attacks and such. I think there is a difference between snarkiness and hatefulness.

And I do agree, we are a big tent, and have been engaged in some very good conversations on DU, learning a lot in the process. But that other stuff, who needs it?

[Kerrytravelers]

31. One that is particularly sticking in my head had absolutely no political discussion

in terms of disagreements or debate. It was just a snarky little remark- or, at least I interpreted it as snarky, but not trollish.

But it's not just about me. I'm tired of reading these comments directed toward DUers I like. Hell, even DUers I don't particularly think much of, I don't take any pleasure in seeing them insulted.

[Connonym]

26. I don't mean to be an asshole, really

I know I'm guilty of jumping in and getting myself in a jumble. I'm really just a giant marshmallow with very bad manners. :blush:

[Kerrytravelers]

34. Actually, I've never seen you before. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

Again, it's not anti-newbie. It's just anti-asshole!

[Writer]

27. What I've noticed recently

is a flurry of controversial topics that I typically wouldn't read in the lounge. Enough that there have been times that I would respond, perhaps a bit in fun, then I'd quickly get sucked into a flame war because I didn't quite agree with the OP "enough."

It's too bad... but then this is an online bulletin board site and not RL, so I just resort to the ignore key.

[Rabrrrrrr]

35. I love the ones who accuse me of being ignorant, flippant, and/or unthoughtful

[Kerrytravelers]

39. I get so tired of that, too.

Don't agree with me that XYZ is the best candidate because they can win the base/ Oh, you're WRONG.

I particularly love the posts whose subject line reads only wrong or, my favorite umm... you're wrong.

That usually leads to great dialog.

[Rabrrrrrr]

41. Yes, but I'm talking specifically of the newbies who do that.

Maybe you are, too, but I can't tell from the way you worded your post.

[Kerrytravelers]

45. Well, I'm being a bit cryptic because I don't necessarily want to be pointing out

a particular post or DUer. However, I know what you're talking about. I, too, am thinking of a new newer members who are obnoxious and just plain rude.

There are some long-standing members who are assholes, too. Perhaps the newer members are just taking their cue from them.

[SeattleGirl]

43. Or, "You don't know what you're talking about", when in fact

I DO know what I'm talking about (this is in reference to a thread a few months ago). I have a degree in the field, I've worked in the field, but because I did not agree with someone, he hounded me and kept saying I didn't know what I was talking about. Ignoring him worked wonders.

[Oeditpus Rex]

46. I remember that one

Dude was... christ, it was like you had a stalker.

This is why Dog created "ignore," yup.

:hug:

[SeattleGirl]

50. Thank Dog for "ignore"!

:hug:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

42. Well...

I was once called a "Limbaugh listening, John Wayne wannabe cowboy" and I'm a freeper because my family owns several motorboats (I haven't convinced them to sell them and I even drive them!).

[Kerrytravelers]

47. Oh, yeah. When I think "haruka3_2000," I automatically think...

arrogant, chicken hawk, homophobic, bigoted, cold-hearted, thoughtless rethug freeper!

[Oeditpus Rex]

51. Don't forget Toaster Whore

:hide:

[Kerrytravelers]

53. Bwwwwaaaaahhhhh !!!!!!!!

I happen to have quite a knowledge of the Great Gay Agenda Toaster Give Away.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=31567&mesg_id=31649

[Oeditpus Rex]

56. WAK!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That's hiLARious!

:yourock:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

57. Dude, you're not giving away this one?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

55. I'm only earning a toaster with one person right now.

[Oeditpus Rex]

58. We assume, though

you're earning it quite well.

:evilgrin:

[marzipanni]

52. Well, at least she

has damn cute wabbits. ;)

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

54. It's because of the boats, isn't it?

:rofl:

[Kutjara]

59. And, if I remember correctly,...

...don't you also have a passing familiarity with SUVs? Weren't there quite a few of them around your house not very long ago? Sounds suspiciously freeperish to me. C'mon, you can tell us: you secretly admire Rush and Newt and have a signed Ann Coulter picture in your gym locker, don't you? Admit it.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

61. Oh yeah, the Freeper Gathering!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=5687190

My SUV's pretty liberal though.



Anyway, I also have this.

[Kutjara]

62. I have to agree, that's about as liberal as a SUV can be...

...and a Saab is Swedish, so it's practically communist. You couldn't really have better leftie credentials if you drove a Trabant.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

63. Locking

If you think someone is a troll, please use the Alert key.
Thank you.

Respectfully submitted,
CaliforniaPeggy
DU Moderator