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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:15 PM
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Poll question: Education level?
Hi! I think this will be education questionnaire #356 in the lounge, but I have a theory I wanted to test. I know we on DU are fairly well-educated, but I have a feeling that so many more Americans hold Bachelor's and Master's degrees that the educational market has become saturated. That depends, of course, on how many answer affirmatively to the below questions. Let's see what happens. :)

So: What is your current educational level?
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NewWaveChick1981 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:17 PM
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1. Master's degree.
:hi:
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:18 PM
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2. I made it all the way through McGuffey's readers.
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:19 PM
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3. PhD
:hi:
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:27 PM
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6. How are you currently using your PhD?
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:40 PM
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13. I'm currently using my PhD to look for a job!
Not that there's a shortage of jobs, it's just that I was a bit burnt out after grad school and haven't been looking too hard. I'll be getting serious about the job hunt after the holidays.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:44 PM
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15. What are you looking for?
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 03:16 PM
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44. Right now my preferences are:
1) A teaching position, or

2) A government job.

I'm a veteran, so I could probably use the hiring preference for vets to get a position at the NIH, CDC or DHS. I'm a little conflicted about working for the government, but a brother's gotta eat.
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gr8dane_daddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:46 PM
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59. What was your PhD concentration?
I'm planning to take the doctorate plunge in '08. I could sure use some advice.
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PRETZEL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:21 PM
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4. bachelors of science in Public Administration,
which in the early 80's did me absolutely no good.

Went back to school about 15 years ago. Got a "Certificate of Professional Studies" which did qualify me to sit for the CPA exam. So, it's not a master's and it's not a bachelors.
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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:25 PM
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5. Master's here
Well, almost. Maybe I should get off DU and plug away at the thesis...maybe.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:32 PM
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7. Master's here. But, I am one that doesn't think a degree means everything.
It is one form of education. But also, being a life-long learner is education. For example, bush has a MBA and he's a total idiot.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:38 PM
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10. Yes, Our "Business pResident"
is a total fraud

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:39 PM
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12. Isn't it just sad. I have a MPW (Master's of Professional Writing), with no
brain for numbers at all and even I can see the fallacy in our "great economy."
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:42 PM
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14. Yes, and a degree likley doesn't mean as much now than it ever has.
In Bush's case, he got in due to legacy and connections. There is no doubt about that. He likely wasn't qualified for either of his ivys, frankly.

But today I believe so many universities have discovered the economic potential of offering graduate degrees that many, many more are earning them than before. Couple that with a weakened, globalized job market, and it's somewhat common now in many professional sectors to encounter someone with a Master's. Especially MBA's which you can now acquire from any fly-by-night institution and are now so ubiquitous that the average starting salary for one is less than before. (I don't want to knock DU'ers with MBA's - I have part of one, myself!)

The problem is we are in D-E-B-T up to our eyeballs and have less means to pay back that debt. Ask anyone with an MSW.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:46 PM
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17. Yeah, Ask Me!
I'll tell ya!

we're in debt up to our eyeballs

and we won't get it paid off before we start another war somewhere I'm certain of it!

:evilfrown:
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:47 PM
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18. Hey, Southpaw...
I'm sorry to hear that. :(

I hope it gets better for you, and doesn't necessitate another senseless war.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. Well I Meant Our Country's Debt
but personal finances could always be better too!

I hope it doesn't take another war, but war seems to be the way these neocons make their money investing on both sides of a conflict.

:mad:
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:34 PM
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8. 9th grade education....
:hi:


Oh well...
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:24 AM
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69. Huh?? Could've fooled me....you don't sound like a freeper.....
Oh, right...most freepers don't get past the 5th grade. Welcome to the DU FedUpWithIt All :hug: :grouphug: :hi: :toast:
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Ariana Celeste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 09:40 PM
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108. 10th here.
Edited on Wed Dec-20-06 09:41 PM by Ariana Celeste
Well, I had to repeat my sophomore year a couple of times. Sigh. :hi:
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 12:48 AM
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113. ...
:hi:

Eventually i got my GED but yepper, ninth grade. Woohooo. :P

::sigh indeed: lol Big :hug: to you!
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:36 PM
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9. Masters Here
Edited on Tue Dec-19-06 01:36 PM by Southpawkicker
MSW to be exact.

Whoopie! :sarcasm: (edited to add)

:hi:
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #9
40. LOL
:hi:
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:39 PM
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11. BA, MLS, JD...
Edited on Tue Dec-19-06 01:40 PM by huskerlaw
I'm overeducated. ;)
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #11
16. But Ya Got That Spirit!
Good to see ya!

:hi:
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:49 PM
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20. That's cuz 2 of the 3
came from the Land o' the Husker! ;)
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:50 PM
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21. Yeah Yeah Yeah!
What's an MLS

I keep thinking Major League Soccer! I know that's not right.

:rofl: :rofl:

Masters of ....?
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:55 PM
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22. Major League Soccer
:spray:

Masters of Library Science. I got that one from the University of Missouri-Columbia, without ever having to step foot in the state of Misery. Thankfully.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 04:31 PM
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52. Gotcha!
Library Science and law, good combo?

I have a friend who got a Masters in Public admin and a JD

she practices law, don't know that the MPA helped anything, but maybe someday!

:hi:
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 04:36 PM
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53. It is a good combo...
if you want to work in a law school library!

There aren't many people willing to get the dual degrees and there are a lot of librarians retiring. Which means the job market is WIDE open. There are far more jobs than there are applicants (how's that for a rarety?).

:hi:
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:57 PM
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23. just finished the first semester
of work towards my masters in behavior & learning disorders.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:58 PM
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24. Master's Degree
MA in English / Creative Writing...

:hi:

RL
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 01:58 PM
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25. I suppose I should be embarrassed among the general DU population.
I have some college, but no college degree. I have a certification in radio broadcasting from a dorky trade school.

My education has largely been through life experiences, work experiences, and "independent study" (fancy lingo for reading lots of books, magazines, and other publications).
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:10 PM
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28. Nope
Formal education isn't a measure of worth. :hi:
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. No, I know.
But some people use it as a measure of intelligence and knowledge (I'm not saying anyone on this thread does so; I've just encountered it before).
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:14 PM
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32. That's because we are preached to since elementary school...
that degree = money. And because in our society we equate money with worth, we are mistaken to believe that degree = worth. It's an errant syllogism.
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BarenakedLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 03:09 PM
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43. Same here
And I wouldn't have even mentioned it if you didn't. :blush:
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 02:16 AM
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76. Why Be Embarrassed?
a sheepskin (diploma) is just a piece of paper

real life is more education than getting that is
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reyd reid reed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 02:26 AM
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79. It is just a document...
it says next to nothing about how much you've actually learned. But we're taught that in order to be successful, we should have it. To qualify for this job or that, we should have it. To be any good at anything at all, we should have it.

It's bullshit, but it's pounded into our brains from the time we're little. We can rationalize it but underneath, we're still...I don't know if 'embarrassed' is the right word, but there's a stigma attached to the lack of a degree.

"I'd be good at that job."

"So why don't you send in your resume?"

"Because I don't have a degree."

Sad thing is, the lack of a degree really does make a difference. There are quite a few things that I'm fully capable of doing and would be good at...but without that degree I won't even be considered for the job.

:shrug:

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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 02:29 AM
Response to Reply #79
81. That's True, But I'd Hire You
in a heartbeat!

:pals:
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reyd reid reed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 02:35 AM
Response to Reply #81
84. Awwwwww....
:pals::hug::pals:
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 02:44 AM
Response to Reply #84
85. One Can Tell These Things
you are a smart cookie

;-) :pals:
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #76
86. It's a piece of paper I'd like to have, for lots of reasons.
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BarenakedLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 10:04 AM
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89. So would I
:(
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 10:11 AM
Response to Reply #89
92. yep me too.
high school graduate. Couldn't afford college. Hubbie has a couple of years, but no degree.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #89
105. It's Not Impossible To Do BNL
where there's a will there is a way.

I know you are a bright person who would have no problem doing it given the opportunity to do that.


:pals:
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #86
104. Yes, But No Need To Be Embarrassed
and I bet there's a way to get it

:pals:
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unsavedtrash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:08 PM
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26. working on my master's degree
Edited on Tue Dec-19-06 02:11 PM by unsavedtrash


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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:09 PM
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27. Batchelor's degree, physics
In the UK that means a 3-year course at university after leaving school at 18.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. Three years for a Bachelor's?
Is that standard for most undergraduate degrees?
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:14 PM
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31. I'd say all British bachelors' degrees last three years.
Edited on Tue Dec-19-06 02:14 PM by billyskank
A fourth year usually makes it a master's.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:17 PM
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34. That's interesting
So far, I have six years of school under my belt and hold a BS and an MA. For my PhD, it would be another four years. I wonder if that's systemic or economic? (AKA schools make more money by requiring more time at the university.)
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 12:35 PM
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122. Lucky.
I got my B.S. in physics and it took me six years.

That's how it goes sometimes though.



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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:15 PM
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33. Master's degree in journalism
Sadly, it's never done me any good in the job market.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:17 PM
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35. From which school, if I may ask?
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #35
55. Boston University College of Communication
Do you have a journalism degree too?
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:22 PM
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56. No...
I have a BS in Radio-TV-Fim and an MA in Mass Comm.

I ask because my MA was technically in the J-school, and I know journalism has become an incredibly popular major to choose, as of late.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 08:16 PM
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62. I think journalism became a popular degree after Watergate.
Everyone wanted to be Woodward and Bernstein. Made for too much competition to get jobs in the field; makes me wonder how the standards in the profession have sunk as low as they now seem to be. Maybe because the journalism outlets have been swallowed up by mega-corporations who only care about the bottom line, rather than performing the service of keeping people informed as to what is actually going on in the world.

Where did you study Mass Comm?
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #62
64. My BS is from UT - Austin
My MA is from CU-Boulder.

From what my prof's told me, there's been yet another resurgence in journalism majors because of the press failures preceding the Iraq War.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 08:57 PM
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67. I'm glad to hear that more people are noticing the press failures,
particularly young people.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 10:18 AM
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93. My BA is in Journalism.
I went to J-School at USC. Most of the professors there were telling us that is we wanted to do actual reporting, we should either go overseas after graduation, or work for a foreign press here in the states. American journalism is basically dead. So, congratulations on your graduation and good luck!
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:18 PM
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36. JD, so i voted for doctorate. it says so in the name!
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dropkickpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:24 PM
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37. Associate's
In Veterinary Technology. Though, given what I actually do, I should be earning buckets more!!
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sir_captain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:25 PM
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38. Currently working on my MD
We'll see how the 9 exams I've taken over the past 5 days went to see if I'll still be working on it in January. ;-)
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:36 PM
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39. PhD (Piled Higher and Deeper)
And, anticipating your potential question, I was actually on the fast track to be a hot shot in my field but my personal life (my wife, specifically) fell apart and I needed a hiatus, that by now may have taken me off that fast track forever. I just walked away from it all. I was burned out on academia, anyway, and now have a very narrow range of jobs in my 'primary' career field that I'd be interested in. I've got to do what makes me happy, not just what I'm qualified for and have at least a chance of securing. In the meantime, I'm (mostly) enjoying and benefiting from my 'break'....I really, really needed (after most of my life knowing what I wanted to do and working toward it) some time without a real plan, some time just to have no particularly well-mapped goal, career-wise.

But, contrary, to what my Beverly-Hills-ethnocentric in-laws would hold, my formal education was not wasted. No education ever is and, besides, (i) I will likely return to that field at least part-time (as it is, I've got a book slated to write on my specialist research topic) and (ii) the experience with communication (I gave a lot of talks and other forms of communication with specialist and nonspecialist audiences, and became well-known for my abilities in doing so), self-promotion, and other aspects of my work have direct application to what I'm doing now and probably everything else I ever will do.

The PhD is an endurance contest more than it is anything else, and I made it through. I wouldn't trade some of it -- especially the places I went and the things I saw and experienced while conducting my PhD (and beyond) research -- for anything, as worn down as I was by the time I finished the degree.
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Call Me Wesley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:58 PM
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42. I guess you weren't taking Philosophy then? :(
I wouldn't trade some of it -- especially the places I went and the things I saw and experienced while conducting my PhD (and beyond) research ...

That's just not fair.

:hi:
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 12:46 AM
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111. Said it right on that there piece of paper they give me...
Doctor of Philosophizin'' :D
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #39
45. I'm going through the same thing!
I wonder how common it is for a PhD to burn out and want to walk away for a year or two?
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 03:28 PM
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47. Are you guys feeling a burnout post-dissertation and graduation?
Or before completing?
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 03:29 PM
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49. For me, it was post-graduation. n/t
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 12:56 AM
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114. For me it was post-postdoc
Following a PhD with two or three two-to-three-year-long postdocs is typical, these days, in my field.

I did start to lag toward the end of my internment in grad school (not the field work, but everything else), much of which was probably the result of my adviser going off the deep end and also of finding myself (a few others were in a similar situation) in the middle of a departmental split that pitted faculty in one subfield against those in another, with some of them using each others grad students as pawns in the silly academic playground politics that ensured. All of that is also one reason why I so totally burned out on academia as a job setting.

My walking away from my primary career (for however long it turns out to be) was partly the result of further personal politics and other negativity among some of the silverbacks who ran the facility I was with but was mostly -- overwhelmingly so -- the result of my wife's behavior and to a lesser extent of related aspects of the location I was in. I wouldn't say it was her fault but, really, it actually was...maybe it was a good thing, in the end.

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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 12:47 AM
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112. Probably not uncommon
even for those who are on a decent career track.

Better sooner than later, though, huh? :-)

Good luck!!

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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 08:53 PM
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66. I seem to recall you are/were in marine biology? n/t
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 12:57 AM
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115. Something like that
I'm too easy to ID to say anything more about that... :D

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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 12:44 PM
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123. I can understand that.
Biology/geology/paleo/herpetology here. But that was in my "college days." Now it's all self-study. :)

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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 02:55 PM
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41. College degree.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 03:25 PM
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46. Didn't finish high school.
And still haven't gotten my GED. It's a sorry state of affairs for the girl who scored 1490 on the PSAT, was an AP student, in the gifted program, and was a co-editor of the school's literary magazine. :(

As soon as things aren't so nuts, I'll get the GED done and go to college. Right now life is crazy enough with ThinkBlue1966 in college as a non-trad student. If I go to college now, my six-year old is going to be stuck in daycare WAY too much.
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Little Wing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 03:29 PM
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48. I refuse to be lumped in with the Associates Degree riff raff
:hide:
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 03:43 PM
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50. Every time I see this poll at DU
I wish I could compare it to an exact same poll at that other site that starts with "F".

;)

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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 03:45 PM
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51. LOL
That would indeed be interesting. LOL.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:29 AM
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70. Might be listed under "poles" over in freepville
Has anyone ever suggested spell-check over there or are we leaving that one alone for the additional entertainment value?
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 05:59 PM
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54. I have a B.S. and a Paralegal Certificate.
:hi:
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 12:44 PM
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124. Dave !!!! Happy Christmas !!!!!

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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:23 PM
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57. Master's plus. Never finished the doctorate.
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 08:51 PM
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65. Yeah, same here...
...I came to realize there were other things I wanted in life. Am not using any of my 3 undergrad and graduate degrees at the moment, at least not in the business sense, but I'm happy to have had that educational background. And happier still to go my own way and do my own thing.

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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:26 PM
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58. 3 yrs of a BFA
Edited on Tue Dec-19-06 06:52 PM by u4ic
plus another diploma from a community college.

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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:47 PM
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60. Ph.D. here
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gr8dane_daddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 06:49 PM
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61. Finished my MBA in '04 in Operations Management
Finished my BS in Applied Physics way back in '93.

Currently looking to work on a PhD starting in '08.

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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-19-06 08:18 PM
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63. Never made it to college. Except to visit for the purpose of chasing girls.
Redstone
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 10:09 AM
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90. A man after my own heart!
:hi:

RL
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:10 AM
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68. overeducated and unemployed for some years
A.A.S. in Court Reporting from a community college. Did this job for 20 years until I got completely burned out, from nasty lawyers, backstabbing judges and the occasional nutty pro se litigant. Was burned out before I was forty years of age. Only degree I got that was good for anything. My mom had made me take typing my senior year in high school and I had had 12 years of piano lessons by then, so I was perfect for this job. Graduated with straight A's.

B.A. in Biology. Was an art major and music major for a while but got science degree due to parental pressure. They didn't think liberal arts, or god forbid, fine arts, was a REAL degree. Never used it.

Dad was a lawyer. So I decided within a year of finishing the BA to start law school. Worked at the courthouse and went to law school at night which took five years, and earned Juris Doctor. Law school is 90 semester hours of pure difficult hell. Looked for a good paralegal job with no luck, after I took off about five years after I burned out on court reporting. Turns out they want recent experience in the law, and the law doesn't change that much.

Looked for a job the last year and a half, and got one interview and no job. Couldn't find anything temporary either. Fell out of middle class like millions of us. Always felt like an outsider, even though I got acquainted with as many people as possible in law school. Don't know if it was sex or money that kept me from being an insider. Never had a mentor, we were all competitive. Decided I was thrown on the scrap heap due to age (51). Now I'm calling it early retirement.

Spent 12 years in college, thinking I could use an education to get a really good paralegal job in the legal field. Didn't happen. They keep saying the legal field is growing. I don't believe it, or else they don't want to pay anything.

The farce of our leaders saying that Americans can get jobs if they only go back to school, is a lie. That's not the problem. The problem is the upper class destroying the middle class. If there is no middle class to buy stuff, the economy screeches to a halt.



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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:30 AM
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71. Overeducated and unemployed...
that's me at the moment, too. :hi:

Also: there are fewer and fewer "middle class" jobs now.
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 10:03 AM
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88. Has the utilitarian view of education always prevailed in America?
Edited on Wed Dec-20-06 10:05 AM by billyskank
It is getting like that in Britain too nowadays: everybody thinks you go to university so that you can get a good job. For that reason, nobody does physics (for example) because the career path is not clear, whilst all the media studies courses are oversubscribed.

It was not ever thus. Not too long ago education was viewed as a good in its own right, and not valued for the economic premium it may (or may not) have conferred. That, of course, was a different time, when approximately 10% of the population went on to study at university.

It was, of course, elitist. Not that I personally see anything wrong with elitism in principle. Nowadays the government has a vision of 50% of the population going on to university, and it is quite close to achieving it: I think the figure is something like 40% although many drop out after the first year.

The trouble is that the government is economically illiterate. Why does it think that the demand for graduates will increase as does the supply? Of course it doesn't. One view holds that the graduate's degree is devalued as a result, and maybe to a certain extent this is happening, but the result is segmented. What actually happens is that degrees get separated into "good" degrees and "bad" ones. Many graduates find themselves saddled with debt and a worthless degree. They may as well not have bothered.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 12:41 PM
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100. Hey, billyskank...
Edited on Wed Dec-20-06 12:58 PM by Writer
I don't want to represent the opinion of 300 million rather diverse individuals, but here is my own humble take on this:

I think the utilitarian view of education is a twentieth century, post-agricultural and post-industrial phenomenon here in the US. Especially in the second half of the twentieth century Americans abandoned the principle of "making things," leaving manual labor to Mexico and Southeast Asia. Instead, the value of the white collar job became paramount, hence the growth in popularity of JD's and MBA's.

So education has grown much more utilitarian. American students identify a college education with increased earning potential. In fact, we are preached this from elementary school onward: if you go to college, you will earn more. Money is our language of the day, and going to college is now pretty much an engendered trait in every class above the lower class.

The utilitarianism, however, hasn't stopped individuals form majoring in English or in history, but those students always encounter the question, "So, WHAT do you plan to do with THAT?" :eyes:

The rates of those attending two and four-year universities also stands at around 40%. Even in the incredibly non-scientific poll above you can see how high the college attendance rates are in this country. Now that the employee market has saturated with degreed job seekers, those not able to find work are returning to school for their Master's at higher and higher rates (and more debt). So soon, in my opinion, the rate of Master's degrees in the US job population will become saturated. At that point, then, many of us will be stuffed ;)

What I think we're also witnessing is yet another example of the stripping down of humanities by capitalism. Many states since the 1990's have made dramatic cuts in funding for higher education, prompting those universities to dramatically raise their tuition to compensate. In turn, students attending college acquire a heavy amount of debt (they didn't tell us about THAT when we were in elementary school) that they are less able to pay because of the stagnation of middle class jobs in the country. So no longer are these institutions run for education's sake, but run for profit's sake.

So that's my primer on the state of higher education in the US.

On edit: Science and engineering degrees are still fairly honored here. My brother-in-law, for instance, is a rocket scientist for JPL at NASA. (Although he needed to acquire his PhD for that.) My husband has been (and will again) be paid well as a computer scientist, sans Master's or Doctorate (although I'm encouraging him to get his Master's... want to guess why? :eyes:)
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 01:46 AM
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116. Yes
I would vote for a broad liberal arts education, for lifelong appreciation of books and culture, and also some sort of utilitarian skill. Of course you can get utilitarian skills at a vocational two year junior college. That was the only degree I got that got me jobs. That and a semester of typing in high school.

Knowing that the Renaissance started with the egg-shaped Florence Cathedral dome and the competition between Brunelleschi and Ghiberti to design the Baptistry doors is fun, but it won't do much as far as getting me a job. I went to a true four-year liberal arts university; they only offered athletic scholarships in tennis. So much so that I got a B.A. in Biology because they did not offer a B.S. I remember an interviewer snarling at me over that one; I informed him my school did not offer a B.S. degree at that time in that major. The fact that it was the best pre-med school in the state would have meant nothing to him.

A lot of the problem in the U.S. is that the companies are full of cheap-think. They refuse to invest in R & D. The Congress cuts off funding for NASA and the supercollider, and other projects that require long term thinking and planning. So lots of scientists are unemployed, unless you are in the oil business. Many former oil business engineers have left because it's a roller coaster. No job security and they are always whining about how expensive the labor is, even if they are marking up services three or four times. The U.S. does not subsidize the arts, so you can't be assured of an audience or any income if you are in the arts. Generally oil money will subsidize the symphony in places like Houston, and they attempt to buy good taste, and are basically tacky. Houston has grown up a lot in that respect.

Even a law degree doesn't guarantee any sort of employment that I can see, such as an office underling, so I guess learning slash and burn accounting is the ticket to a job.

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MikeH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:31 AM
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72. Master's degree
M.S. in Computer Science, 1979
B.A. in Mathematics, 1972

Both from San Diego State University

I had a good job for many years, into the late 1990's, until I was part of a large layoff.

Since then I have been doing consulting work, off and on.
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Dastard Stepchild Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:34 AM
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73. Masters completed... PhD student currently...
Looking to be a postdoc after that. It will never, EVER end. :)
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 01:48 AM
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117. T-shirt I saw at Rice University
"Graduate Studies: It's Not Just a Job, It's an Indenture"

playing off an Army commercial slogan of the time.

:rofl:

A/K/A "college bum" or "professional student".

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Dastard Stepchild Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 11:42 AM
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119. I can completely appreciate the humor of that shirt :)
It does get to a point where I simply have to say "STOP." I keep telling myself that, after the postdoc, I will slowly back away from the syllabi.

Of course, not really, though, since the whole reason I am doing the PhD is because I love academia and want to stay in it. :)

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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 01:52 AM
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74. BA well almost
I am 5 credits shy of a BA in Anthropology. I confess that I have almost double the credits required in Anth. with plenty of 500 level classes but I lack one stinkin' history GUR! Knowing me as I do, that class would not have made a difference. At 52 my only incentive for going back to school would be to "check out them college chicks".

well seeing as how nobody else is likely to see this post I'll do it to myself: :spank: there happy now?
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reyd reid reed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 02:14 AM
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75. Never made it to college...
:shrug:

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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 02:18 AM
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77. It happens...
But I'm sure you turned out just fine....:D
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reyd reid reed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 02:22 AM
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78. I like to think so...
my kids aren't ashamed of me and I can even write a decent sentence. Actually, I can write better than a 'decent' sentence. I'm damn good at it. The problem lies with the numb-fucks who won't take you seriously unless you've got that piece of vellum. I can get an agent's attention with the proposal and the work itself, then lose him when we hit the 'credentials' portion of the program.

I have better luck with fiction, but non-fic pays more and has a larger market.

:shrug:

That's okay, though. If at first you don't succeed and all that happy crap.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 02:27 AM
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80. Here's a big secret...
It doesn't matter if you got that piece of paper either...you could still be out on the street doing a meager job. I got a Social Work degree, and I'm not using it at all....and here, I thought once I got my piece of paper, the job market would look a bit brighter, and I was taught a very sore lesson. It doesn't matter really, I see underqualified people getting hired every day, because the boss is their friend/relative or some nonsense...but its nice having that piece of paper though...looks all shiny hanging on my wall...

I say go for fiction for right now...it might open up some oppurtunities down the road, who knows....

btw, some of the smartest people I've known, never went to college either....
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reyd reid reed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 02:34 AM
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82. I've got some fiction out there...
but it pays beans. I've got at least two hundred shorts on my hard drive, and I've been published quite a few times. And I've made a grand total of 150.00 on my fiction.

I've got a couple of non-fic projects that I'd like to sell and I think would do well -- at least earn out the advances -- but without the credentials....

They always want to know what my degree is in.

Idiots. My 'degree' is in female.



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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 02:35 AM
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83. .....
:spray: My degree is in Female...thats a good one, I gotta tell my wife about that one...:D
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 10:11 AM
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91. "My 'degree' is in female."
What a coincidence...

I've done research on that exact topic...

:D

RL
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 10:21 AM
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94. I haven't
it is a great mystery to me
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 10:49 AM
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97. Research does not equal Knowledge
Edited on Wed Dec-20-06 10:49 AM by RetroLounge
We are in the same boat my friend, adrift in a sea of females with no life preserver...

:9

RL
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Lowell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 09:53 AM
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87. BS in Linguistics
Edited on Wed Dec-20-06 09:55 AM by Lowell
Studied Russian, German and Korean as well. French was spoken at home when I was growing up. I never got to use the degree, but I am pretty comfortable traveling anywhere.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 10:24 AM
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95. J.D., not using it right now.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 02:45 PM
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103. there should be a "JD but not using it right now" forum
i'd be there in a heartbeat.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 10:35 AM
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96. B.A. (nt)
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 10:58 AM
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98. Still learning
haven't leveled out yet. After four degrees, I have learned that I need to learn more from life and from those around me.
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 11:19 AM
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99. Currently in HS
sadly.
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deepthought42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 02:42 PM
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101. Associate's and Bachelor's...
A.A. in General Studies (due to a a glitch (my bad, took one wrong class)) w/a concentration in Music, B.A. in Music History, which is a worthless piece of shit now...(Thanks R-MWC!) *gives alma mater the middle finger* :rant:
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momophile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 02:44 PM
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102. Masters here
not using it yet but I'm at home with the babe.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 09:03 PM
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106. Master's
But it's a MAT so it doesn't really count. :evilgrin:

I really feel that the market is becoming so over-saturated with over-educated people that soon many degrees and diplomas will be meaningless. In a few years a Master's will be worth about as much as a bachelors was 30 years ago. A Bachelor's will be worth about as much as a HS diploma, and a HS diploma will be worth about as much as an 8th grade graduation certificate. Eventually, the investment in time and resources to get a degree that matters will become so prohibitive that only the wealthy will have access to them.
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Omphaloskepsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 09:26 PM
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107. About six months from my B.S. in Economics.
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-20-06 10:38 PM
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109. JD (Juris Doctor)
Me a doctor? GET OUT!
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 12:39 AM
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110. NOTA- Perpetual student,,,,,,5+ years college, no degree.
Love being educated, hate schooling. They are NOT the same.
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 06:48 AM
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118. Bachelor's
I'm 54 and retired.:)
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 12:17 PM
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120. Some graduate "work"...
...in frankly bogus education courses while I taught high school.
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 12:33 PM
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121. Yeah baby, I'm a college graduate as of last Friday.
Edited on Thu Dec-21-06 12:37 PM by Q3JR4




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