10 years for receiving oral sex?

[pokerfan]

17 year old honor student and football player receives oral from a 15 year old at a party and gets sentenced to a mandatory minimum ten years.

The law has since been changed but it looks like he will have to serve out his sentence.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=wilson

[MonkeyFunk]

1. that's insane

mandatory minimum sentencing is ridiculous. They're gonna destroy this kid's life for something most of us have done.

[Omphaloskepsis]

2. That sucks..

17 year old math nerd receives oral from a 15 year old at LAN party and gets sentenced to a mandatory minimum ten years.

Not so newsworthy.

[Deja Q]

66. And not in a good way!

:yoiks:

[SeattleGirl]

3. What are the statutory rape laws where he lives?

I agree, it's excessive, but he was probably charged with statutory rape. I think the laws need to be updated, given the, um, sexual activity of the "younger" crowd.

[pokerfan]

4. It's all explained in the article

He was convicted of Child Molestation.

Even the jury didn't know about the mandatory minimum.

The funny thing is, under the law at the time, it would have been ok for him to have intercourse with the girl. Just not oral sex.

[SeattleGirl]

8. Oh, good grief!

So, if there's a chance she could get pregnant, that's okay, huh? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[MonkeyFunk]

5. and the article states

that everyone involved agrees the girl initiated the encounter.

If he had fucked her, it would be a misdemeanor. But some arcane law makes oral sex a felony.

Edit: The governor should pardon him. Should've done so two years ago.

[SeattleGirl]

9. Agreed, MonkeyFunk. The gov should pardon him.

You know, I hate it when women get blamed for being rape victims, but I also hate it when men get blamed for things women (or teens) iniate.

This country is SOOOOOOOOO crazy where sex is concerned. :grr:

[Pushed To The Left]

16. Must be the same logic as "sodomy" laws

Extra time for "unnatural" sex acts. These kids were too young, but they were very close in age, and the fact that oral sex is treated more seriously than vaginal sex just shows how hypocritical the people who made these laws were.

On a side note, the overturning of the sodomy laws in 2003, and the right wing's reaction to it, was a huge factor in me becoming a hardcore liberal! I believe that what goes on between consenting adults in the bedroom is not the government's business..which turned out to be an extremist position according to the right wing!

[SeattleGirl]

19. I totally agree with you.

Whatever goes on between two consenting adults should be between THEM, and THEM ONLY.

There are far more important things the government needs to be sticking their noses in other than what goes on in the bedrooms of America's adults.

[UrbScotty]

6. You think that's bad?

http://www.michiganliberal.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7923

[pokerfan]

7. Wow...

Well, I guess that's a step up from stoning them to death.

The sex laws in this country are fucked up.

[Arkana]

10. That's because we're all so repressed it's not even funny.

[SeattleGirl]

12. Oh, I know. Women have to face the whole virgin vs. whore thing.

Pisses me off big time. And do you notice that almost ALL the laws about sex and sexuality and everything related to it, are more punative toward women?:grr:

[MonkeyFunk]

17. I have to disagree

how much jail time is this girl doing?

[SeattleGirl]

24. I meant in the overall picture.

Cops go after prostitutes far more often than they do johns. And socially, women are stigatized WAY MORE than men for being sexually active.

I see what you are saying here, but my guess is, he's doing jail time because he's older than her. However, I don't think he should be doing jail time at all. If the girl were FIVE, then, yeah. But 15? Gimme a break.

[MonkeyFunk]

29. I agree

that socially, women are more affected. But legally? eehhhh... I'm not seeing it.

Johns are arrested all the time. However, a john might spend 20 minutes a month engaged in his illegal behavior. The prostitute (of either sex) spends far more time engaged in such activity, and therefore is just more likely to get caught.

Johns lose their cars, get publicly shamed, get their names in the paper. The prostitute usually spends a night in jail and pays a small fine.

I think you could also make a case that women who screw teen boys get far lighter sentences than men who screw teen girls. Look at the recent teacher cases.

No, I don't think the law is harsher on women than men when it comes to sexual matters.

[SeattleGirl]

31. I think we will have to agree to disagree, based on gender.

Overall, though, I think we DO agree that the "sex laws" (as well as attitudes about sex) in this country are totally messed up.

[Nicole]

48. Johns get publicly shamed?

I've never seen that. I'm not saying it doesn't happen elsewhere, I've just never seen their names published here.

[MonkeyFunk]

50. many cities

publish their names. It's become quite common.

[SeattleGirl]

52. I think they do that in Seattle, too.

[Nicole]

54. I'm surprised at that

I'm in the middle of the bible belt here. Hell we're referred to as the buckle of that belt most of the time.

I've just never seen it. :shrug:

[Midlodemocrat]

59. Yup. Even now.

My 16 yo was telling me about a friend of hers who is 14 who slept with her boyfriend who is 15.

The boy told everyone that would listen and of course, now this really, sweet little girl has a 'reptutation'.

Interestingly, no one is calling the boy a slut, just her. It sucks.

[Bassic]

61. I agree.

It's always made me angry that having sex is viewed as a badge of honour for men and as a terrible sin in women.

[SeattleGirl]

11. Jeebus, when in the hell will this government get out of our

bedrooms! I'm not talking about child porn, etc. That shit needs to be regulated (eliminated), but jailing someone for CHEATING?

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[MonkeyFunk]

13. at least

that's only theoretical. You'd have to find a prosecutor to charge someone, and a jury to convict, and I don't see either happening.

This kid is real. His life is being destroyed.

[Oeditpus Rex]

14. There was a guy in Georgia

doing a long stretch — I forget how long, but it was double digits — for going down on his wife in their home.

His wife.

Their home.



The weird part was, his name is the same as mine.

[SeattleGirl]

18. Oh yeah, the sodomy laws,.

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[Oeditpus Rex]

20. Understandable

The vagina is dirty and smelly, after all.




:yoiks:

[SeattleGirl]

21. Um, that's only LIBERAL

vaginas, dude.

Right wing vaginas are pristine! :sarcasm:

[Oeditpus Rex]

23. Well, o' course

Not even bacteria would go in there. :scared:

[SeattleGirl]

25. It's a good thing I put my really GIGANTIC soapbox in the closet

for the evening. Otherwise, y'all would have to bring the white coat with the extra-long arms over to my place.

[Oeditpus Rex]

35. Uh... about that coat

I washed it, too. :scared:

[SeattleGirl]

36. But, I'm CSI, and I WILL find the evidence!

And then, you are so SCREWN!!!!!!

:rofl:

[Oeditpus Rex]

40. Oooo, doody, doody!

I haven't been so screwn in months! :bounce:

[SeattleGirl]

41. Only months?????

Try YEARS, my dude. x(

[Oeditpus Rex]

44. I'll help you find the jacket

:evilgrin:

[SeattleGirl]

51. Well, you are simply TOO kind, sir!

:rofl:

[Pushed To The Left]

55. I remember hearing about this one a long time ago.

http://dont.stanford.edu/cases/fagg.pdf

The religious right truly needs to be destroyed. :mad:

[SeattleGirl]

56. I'll help with their destruction!

I think the best thing would be to "out" their closeted predilictions! :rofl:

[Bassic]

60. Ok, how the fuck did that happen?

That's more than a disgrace.

[pitohui]

67. the kid is black

i wonder if the girl was white

sigh, i weep for this planet

[LisaL]

73. Well, actually, a 17 year old female that was at the party

made rape allegations.
It all went from there.

[enigmatic]

15. Wow

Ugh.

[SeattleGirl]

22. Ugh, indeed.

Do they have the same kinds of crappy laws in Canada?

[enigmatic]

27. Not that I'm aware of

I think the age of consent laws the way they are written up here make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen...

[SeattleGirl]

28. Hey, dude, check your PM.

[enigmatic]

39. Whoops

Just saw it!

[SeattleGirl]

42. That's cool.

I know you're busy.

[u4ic]

34. The age of consent is 14

and anyone under the age of 12 cannot consent to any kind of sexual activity.

The federal gov't wanted to introduce legislation to raise that to 16 last year.

[Bassic]

63. 16 with a buffer zone for people who are 5 years appart,

starting at 14. For example, a 14 yo could still have sex with a 19 yo, and a 15 yo with a 20 yo.

In other words, they Con gopvernment would have looked tough and moral, without changing a damn thing, for the most part.

[Bassic]

62. Hell no.

I've never heard of anything that is nearly as appalling as the cases discussed here.

[Nicole]

26. That's insane

[SeattleGirl]

30. I agree.

The right wingers are so freakin' obsessed with other people's sexual lives, and pretending THEY have none, when they are some of the biggest perverts on the planet.

[Nicole]

32. You are exactly right.

If those pervs would just tend to their own sex lives, instead of worrying about everyone else's, they might realize how screwed up they really are.

[SeattleGirl]

33. If only...... n/t

[Oeditpus Rex]

43. I'd settle for the first thing

They can go on being ignorant of their screwed-upedness until the rapture as long as they leave us law-abiding, fornicating jackals the hell alone.

[Nicole]

49. So would I

But since I'm dreaming the impossible dream here, why not go for both?

[u4ic]

37. It is...

Unbelievably so.

[philosophie_en_rose]

38. Sticking a penis in the mouth of an underaged girl. . .

I don't know the specifics of this case, but I think "recieving oral" implies complete passivity.

Also, if the law has changed, he'll be able to appeal and get out.

[MonkeyFunk]

45. He has appealed

and lost.

The legislature even changed the law, but didn't make it retroactive.

The girl, the prosecutor, the judge, the jury...even the PROSECUTOR! EVERYBODY agrees that the girl initiated the contact. But nonetheless, it was a felony.

[SeattleGirl]

53. That is insane!

Just fucking INSANE!

People shouldn't be excused because of gender, or race, or whatever. Nor should they be let off, for same.

[pokerfan]

57. I know it's a lot of words to read

so you probably didn't get to this point:

"Everyone, including the girl and the prosecution, agreed she initiated the act."

[LisaL]

72. The law was changed, but not retroactively, so it's not going to

help him.

[fujiyama]

46. Even the girl's mother admitted

she initiated it.

It was consensual.

This is just nuts. Society is going to destroy his life and likely this will come back to hurt society. Once he comes out after serving his sentence he will possibly have a tough time reentering society...and may eventually turn to a real life of crime...

All for having a blow job...then again, remember the last legitimately elected president was impeached for the same thing. We live in one insane country.

[MonkeyFunk]

47. There's only one logical conclusion

oral sex is destroying this country.

[Bassic]

58. Laws that regulate sex in the US always amaze me.

In this perticular case, it's a friggin disgrace. This guys life is ruined for no reason at all. :puke:

[Pushed To The Left]

64. Newsroom on CNN right now

This story is coming up. I believe it will be on again in 3 hours.

[wildhorses]

65. i'd like to have 10 years of receiving oral sex--oh wait a

minute:blush:


sorry, my bad:evilgrin:

[SPKrazy]

74. Like Anything Else, It Would Get Old After A While

but where a "while" is might be very much worth finding out.

:shrug:


Perhaps it could be something we could write a grant for to subsidize our income and we could explore the impact of trying to do this on our quality of life?


:hug: :rofl:

[pitohui]

68. i'm going to tell you a secret

a wingnut friend of mine says that everyone convicted of oral sex, everyone convicted of sodomy, "it's because somebody didn't like them, they were unpopular in that town"

you know what, much as i hate to admit it -- he's right

the virginia couple who went to prison for oral sex in their own bedroom, their PREACHER spied on them and peeped in their window to provide testimony, think about that for a minute, their PREACHER chose to destroy these people -- there's some backstory there we'll never know, maybe the wife didn't blow the preacher, who knows!

someone chose to destroy this young man, unfortunately i honestly believe it was someone angry and jealous because he was a black homecoming king and popular at his school


that's the way racist fucks think

[LisaL]

70. Why don't you actually read the story?

The reason it became known is because another girl who attended the party made rape accusations.

[Blue-Jay]

69. Damn. I'm lucky I didn't get the chair when I was in high school.

[Generic Brad]

71. It's better to give than to receive

At least in this case, that's how it worked out.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

75. We Here And Elsewhere Are Trying For Additional Legislation That Would Free Him.

This is some of the grossest abuse of the justice system I've ever seen.

My heart goes out to him immensely.