When did you first think of death?

[Deja Q]

"Time is the fire in which we burn." Interesting commentary, won't mention the source because it was otherwise a lame movie... But it's a shrewd comment all the same.

But we're all mortal.

We all like we want to live forever.

But that is impossible.

We all start thinking about death at some point.

The question is when?

(and why does our society encourage the ownership of property when it either wears out, becomes obselete, or can't live on throughout the generations?)

[Kamika]

1. OMG

IT WAS NOT LAME!!

"ohmy"

[Deja Q]

2. Well...

It had some great moments, and Paramount hacked up the movie big-time for home video/laserdisc/DVD release (so let's hope the upcoming Collector's Edition fixes this problem), but better movies had been made. :-)

[Rabrrrrrr]

5. It was definitely part lame

It was the best of the TNG movies, but there were so many rancid logical inconsistencies that made the whole movie implausible, that i have a hard time taking it seriously.

Certainly not the lame ass piece of junk that were First Contact and Nemesis, though.

Generations I do enjoy watching. I just wish the writers would have realized that the audience is going to realize, "Hey - lamebutt, instead of trying to blow up and move stars around, why not just rent a shuttle and fly into the damn thing?"

[Kamika]

10. Yeah I read how they wrote it

They basicly got told "we want the enterprise to blow up, we want kirk and picard to meet, we want kirk to die" now write a movie about this.

Oh and FC was not bad at all, just wish they wouldn't have made Cochran into such a comical relief

[Rabrrrrrr]

13. Oh, please, FC is one of the lamest, most cliche-ridden

lazily-written egregious filmic sins against humanity ever put down on celluloid.

I can hardly to bear to watch it - the Cochrane stuff isnt' too bad, though the whole "loud music" thing is a bit cliche and annoying, but everything involving the Borg is just garbage writing - pedantic, sophomoric, and catering to base brain-stem kinds of visceral emotional ersponse without any depth to it at all. Very Un-Star Trek, IMO.

But I respect your right to have your own opinion. :-)

[Deja Q]

14. And "Generations" was rushed...

I can forgive the movie because they hastened to get it out by xmas '94, just 6 months after they ended the TV series. One extra year would have done it justice... probably. It's the first movie since II that dealt with the concept of death. Bringing out Data's emotions was another plus, that led to many wonderful moments. And unlike Trek IV, the comedy in Generations won't become as dated as quickly...

And FC suffered greatly because it was comic relief. The cameos by half the Voyager cast did not help. (Neelix without makeup was obvious, out of place, and annoying, as was the pointless inclusion of the EMH "McCoy ripoff" that served no purpose but to crack a joke about the borg (didn't Voyager feature enough Borg episodes for the EMH to do it on his own show several times over?)...) I can't even watch FC without groaning in disgust. The movie trailer (the one that freely makes use of Star Trek II's musical score for some reason) was far, far better and made the movie look good ("Goldeneye" had the same problem; great teaser but camped-up hamboney movie). And it's a pity because the actual plot of FC is pretty darn good (the Federation suggesting Picard would falter if put into a situation where he had to face the Borg in combat, the crew disagreeing with this assertation, and then watching as Picard indeed starts to break down. Tremendously good stuff.) But cornball comedy scenes dominated the movie, and that's not TNG's forte... A pity.

"Insurrection", whose plot is daring but just doesn't seem grand enough to be a theatrical release because they kept the insurrection aspect to a minimum, was far better produced and had a much more solid feel. Like "Generations", it delved back into intellectual intrigue and tying with social commentary (as any good Trek should do) - and it took pot shot insults at the oil industry too, calling them a bunch of "thugs". :D I don't see why hardcore trekkers dislike this movie, I think it's an overall masterpiece.

[Kamika]

16. Why we don't like it

Insurrection was supposed to be ALOT darker.


The movie was from the beginning supposed to be based on the same book apocalypse now was based on, In this case the crazy officer played by Brando would have been Data, and in the end Picard would have been forced to kill Data only to find out later that it wouldn't have been nessecery..

But alas.. it was changed into a "nicer" movie, that's why we don't like it. Also I hated that CGI worm :p


FC didn't have too many cameos did it? only non makeup neelix and the hologram doctor (which btw is NOT the same hologram as in voyager)

I like FC on enterprise but all the stuff that takes place on earth is just stupid comedy

[Rabrrrrrr]

3. Property ownership is a way toward at least a form of immortality

and it is, one could make a good argument for it, sinful.

So I'm curious that the thread question is "How often do you think about death" but then the poll is asking the question "When did you first think of death?"

Quiet different questions, really.

[Deja Q]

6. Quite

I was originally thinking of something rather different, but morphed it into the thread you've replied to. Seemed to be less depressing...

[Rabrrrrrr]

11. Perhaps now a poll with the original question?

That would also be interesting.

[Deja Q]

4. I started thinking of it during my 30s...

I'm 31...

[Pithlet]

15. Me too

I don't know what it is about hitting your 30s. It's not like I think that's old. But, I've definitely been thinking more about my mortality than I used to.

[Exultant Democracy]

7. been thinking about it all day long.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=642649

[Piperay]

8. I was a strange morbid

little kid, I started thinking about death when I was 6 or 7. :shrug:

[BigDaddyLove]

9. Childhood.........

but only in relation to other people.

With regard to my own mortality, that didn't happen until I started driving.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

12. I lost two grandparents when I was 6.

And since then, we've lost a lot of people. I'm a little obsessed with death now, because no one ever explained anything to me. My mom has a huge problem with death. She spends more time with the dead and their possessions than she does with the living. Apparently the people that she can't reconcile things with are more important than those whose lives she's screwed up and are still here. So, it's no wonder I'm so obsessed with death and scared of it.
Duckie

[moof]

17. What is this death of which you speak ?

n/t