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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 02:34 AM
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Hiring a wet nurse
Came across a magazine article today about breast feeding other people's babies (family or friends), milk banking and also the recent resurgence of hiring a wet nurse. It seems sort of taboo in a way but it also seems like it could be a really healthy thing for a baby. But then there's sort of the whole idea of poor women selling themselves to rich women. Is it empowering or degrading? I'm curious, what do you think about it?
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 02:37 AM
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1. ok that is just bizarre
some people just have too much freaking money :banghead:
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2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 08:47 AM
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24. this used to be a fairly common practice
Edited on Sat May-12-07 08:48 AM by 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet_nurse

Wet nursing was reported in France by Louis XIV in early 17th century. In the past, members of higher classes would have their children wet-nursed. This is an outgrowth of an old tradition - noblewomen would not breast-feed, and could become pregnant again sooner, to ensure an heir, if they were not nursing their infants.

-snip-

Wet nurses were common for children of all social ranks in the southern United States during the 19th and early 20th centuries.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 02:38 AM
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2. I wonder what is wrong
with the rich woman's boobs. Too much silicon? :hide:
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 02:44 AM
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3. actually
"breast surgery" was listed in the article as a reason for the need for a wet nurse
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 02:46 AM
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4. I'd wonder about bonding
Might not an infant be likely to bond more with the woman who feeds him/her? :shrug:

I dunno. This would require review on an individual basis, but at face value it's got a few holes in it.

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 03:03 AM
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5. rich people might consider that another advantage
in the literature/TV they are stereotypically aloof. Plus the WN later becomes the beloved nanny.
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 03:18 AM
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6. Here's a link to the article
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 03:27 AM
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7. Didn't Rockefeller hire a wetnurse for himself in old age because...
he was having trouble digesting solid food. What a class act!
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chemenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:20 AM
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8. EEEEWWWWWHHHHH!!!!!
That's an image that's just indelibly burned itself into my brain.

pardon me while I :puke:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:42 AM
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9. I'm surprised that the Simpsons haven't put that story into the Mr. Burns character somehow
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 12:42 PM
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17. Don't read the last chapter of "The Grapes of Wrath" then.
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 12:43 PM
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18. yeah, I was thinking the same thing
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 01:09 PM
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19. Great minds......!!!
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 11:51 PM
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33. Rockefeller sure did -- according to my Grandma
She's 101 and grew up in the poor immigrant community on the east side of Cleveland not too far from Rockefeller's mansion. She told me how it was common knowledge that Rockefeller's people would pay cash for mother's milk. It was an easy way to get money in those hard times to put food on the table even though all were too ashamed to admit to it.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:47 AM
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10. cool
where can I hire one?? :shrug:












not for the baby, for me :evilgrin:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:53 AM
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11. I would have sold or donated milk if I could. I had WAAAAAAAAY too much.
I met an older woman on the bus once who at one point when her children were young was nursing her own child and expressing enough milk for a cousin's baby and her neighbor's twins. I wasn't quite at that point, but my breasts never clued in on the supply and demand thing and consistently made more than even my enormous and very hungry kid had use for.

I looked into a milk bank, but the nearest dropoff point was an hour south of town and at the time I didn't have a car.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 11:45 AM
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12. Am I the only one who thought this thread was about naughty role-playing?
:shrug:
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 12:15 PM
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13. ...
:spank:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 09:16 PM
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22. There is nothing naughty about consenting adults feeding each other
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 12:26 AM
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23. Nope
Mmmmmmmmmmm....nurses. :)
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 12:22 PM
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14. ...and now we're outsourcing motherhood
At least some Americans get some jobs out of the deal...of course, knowing the rich, they'll probably just hire illegal immigrants.
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dropkickpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 12:38 PM
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15. Very very old thing
I can see several reasons for doing it (I didn't have to, I was about to open up Dropkick Dairy Farm). A good friend was unable to breastfeed because she had had a breast reduction done many years previously, though she did try, but all the ducts and stuff had been severed/shifted/kinked enough that only a drop or two would come out. Or perhaps a woman is on a medication that is not good for da baby (I have a couple friends who didn't breastfeed because they needed to start taking their psych meds ASAP).

I can't say I object too much to the idea in any circumstance, as breastmilk is best for babies.

Keep in mind, the poor have been selling themselves to the rich in one form or another since money/wealth/standing entered human society. It's all in what we are willing to sell. If the woman is willing and able and her own child/health doesn't suffer for it, why not?
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 12:41 PM
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16. Being going on for centuries.
If the mother has no milk a wet-nurse makes sense. Do you think the princess who raised Moses knew his wet nurse was actually his mother but pretended not to? I do.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 03:52 PM
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20. Its healthier for the baby
and lets face it, if mom has to go back to work, pumping is damned inconvenient. I don't think we have to start assigning all kinds of economic roles to it. If women can help each other out, like they've been doing for centuries, I say go for it. Its not like they're swapping wives for gods sake.
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 03:54 PM
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21. I wonder what the
interviews would be like?
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 09:11 AM
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25. In the old days, it worked like this:
A woman who got pregnant out of wedlock would put her own baby into an orphanage (where it would probably die of neglect and/or malnutrition) and nurse some rich person's child.

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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 05:11 PM
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31. My stepmother's aunts all were wet nurses.
My step-mother was thus able to give my wife great comfort in her initial difficulties (and insecurities) with nursing.

Your description is purely absurd. Like any human activity, abuses occurred, but they were the exception and not the rule.

It was an ancient practice which often served to build communities and relationships.

Mothers can and so produce more milk they they need.

Both of my boys breastfed enthusiastically and for an extended period. My wife could have easily fed another child.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 11:34 PM
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32. I'm talking about Victorian times and earlier
It was a common "career" for servant girls who had gotten pregnant outside of marriage.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 09:19 AM
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26. When I was younger, a woman in our neighborhood wet nursed
Her husband had a median income job, but it made it easier economically for her to stay home with her own baby-toddler.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 10:11 AM
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27. If I'm not mistaken, and if I am, please correct me..
But didn't the women in the south during slavery have their slaves "wet nurse" their babies? I mean, they weren't good enough for you to have dinner with or socialize with, but they were good enough to feed your babies? And in the south, a lot of wet nurses were nannies who were black women who worked for white women. I never understood that. :shrug:
Duckie
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 05:02 PM
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30. yes this is true
which I think sort of feeds into the class issues that's part of what makes me feel mixed emotions on the concept of doing it for pay. I hesitate to bring up the comparison with prostitution because breast feeding is not sexual but it evokes a similar conflict in me -- is a woman empowered by selling her body or is she being used?
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 02:41 PM
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28. I'm extremely pro-breastfeeding, but wouldn't want anyone else to nurse my child.
You can transmit HIV via breastmilk and I really think I'd be an ass having to harp on another grown woman's sex life (and possibly that of her partner) because I don't want to nurse myself. (Breastfeeding was such a nice experience for me that I can't imagine not making that choice myself.)
You can damn well bet the first time a baby gets HIV this way, it'll end.
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oustemnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 04:56 PM
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29. Where can I hire one of these wet nurses?
Oh, y'all are talking about lactating women.

Well...that could work too.

Giggity, giggity!
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