My Theory on Last Nights LOST

[romantico]

This was the best LOST epsidoe in my opinion. Okay, heres my take:

It was Ben's funeral. Love him or hate him, Ben was right. Ben would Do ANYTHING to protect the island. He would even kill if he had to. It looks like Jack is looking back and discovering that Ben was right all along. The island seemed to bring the best out in everyone. Look at their lives before they got to the island. Locke could walk. Roses cancer is cured. Even Sawyer seems to have become a better man because of the island. the island has given Sawyer so sort of closure in the same way its put closure to Locke. Sun is pregnant because of the island and so on. I think Jack felt he had some sort of purpose on the island.

I never really cared for Charlie til last night.I compare his death to Spoks in Wrath of Khan. Charlie was a guy who seemed to have problems. Even when he with Claire he seemed to not really have much going on. His death was not only well written but it was noble. As he is dying he still trys to help everyone by giving Desmond one last message. He died with honor and his character has been somehow redeamed.

I still don't thik Ben is the bad guy and I think Jack will be the only one to see that. I think what would be cool is for everyone to be rescued and find their lives were better on the island. I think some may go back. I think Locke will decide to stay behind if they are rescued. In a way, I can see Jack becoming Ben. he returns to the island and continues to protect the secret from the outside world.

I also think Naomi was with Dharma. I think if scientist discover the island they will exploit it and set up new camps and rich millionares will go there for their own agendas. Ben see's this and trys to stop it. I'm not sure why ben just didn't open up to everyone and tell them. Ben knows if they are rescued the secret of the island will be revealed.

I am not sure that was Walt we saw last night put maybe the smoke monster taking the shape of Walt. Didn't we se an epsidoe last season where Kate saw Walt giving her a warning (he was all wet with water coming out of his mouth)He also told Locke that he had work to do. My question is WHY did Lockle HAVE to kill Naomi? Why not tackle her or threaten her? He had a gun afterall.

I also think Jack was SO UPSET by the obit (if it is Ben) because he knew Ben was the only one who could help him get back to the island. Maybe the two were planning on going back and Jack knew Ben was his only hope. If Ben is dead, hell he figures why go on? I've lost kate and now I will never get back to the island. Just a theory.

There are SO MANY clues on the mother of all LOST websites I live by. Go there!!!

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com

[romantico]

1. Apparenty on another message board

some have said you can clearly see a baby car seat in the back of Kate's car as she gets out. I'm still waiting for screencaps of that one.

I am seeing some LOST HORIZON references in the show as well. Jack is turning out to be the Ronald Coleman character looking at all the maps in his apartment on how to get back to the island. The island is sort of like Shangra La in a way. Thoughts?????

[Iris]

13. I looked for a babyseat the whole time and never saw one. n/t

[Midlodemocrat]

2. Look at this enhanced obit shot.

It appears that the person who was found dead has a last name of ___antham???

[slay]

4. Looks like it starts with a J.. could it be... Jacob?!?!

Hrmmm... ;)

[slay]

3. Makes sense to me

Very good analysis. I didn't think about why Jack would be so upset to see the obit - but you're right, it makes sense that Ben might be the only one to get them back on the island. Up until now I figured it might have been Michael since he had no friends and we knew he got off the island. Great ep! Thanks for your post. :)

[Zookeeper]

5. I think it's unlikely that we can solve the...

mysteries based on what we know so far. There may be new characters introduced and we will continue to be surprised by twists like seeing Ben trying to protect everyone (or at least the island) from something possibly worse than him.

Maybe we haven't met the person in the coffin yet. Maybe that pathetic Jack in the future flash, is what COULD happen "if." Maybe there is an alternative future ending.

Maybe the person in the coffin is the mysterious Jacob....?!

[romantico]

6. Go here

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com

some are saying the obit is not important and the name is actually J.J. Abrahms. Who knows?

I think I am the only one who STILL does NOT believe Ben is the villain here. Look at it from his point of view. He's on this island and he knows the place is special. Without his doing, a plane crashes and there are survivors. He knows a rescue mission will take place and he needs that NOT TO HAPPEN in order to protect this island. He does not want any of the plane crash survivors to even try to be rescued because that means the outside world would then discover Ben's Shangra La.

Yes, Ben knows more than he's letting on and because of that he looks like the bad guy. I also think that being on a deserted island for as long as Ben has will make anyone a little mad/insane. Ben is desperate. He is so desperate he will do ANYTHING, no matter how bad it is to protect the one thing he loves the most and that is the island.

I think we saw some hints of that in Jack last night. He knew Ben was right. His methods were a bot extreme, but He knows now that he should have listened to Ben. I think thats where this "Its a Wonderful Life" future episode comes in. My question is, they kept cutting to Jack after each flash forward as if Jack knew what the future held. I am beginning to wonder if Desmond had this future visions like the one we saw last night.

Those who are "supposedly" coming to rescue them who we heard on Naomi's phone I think could possibly be coming to kill the survivors and take the island. Then again, maybe they really will rescue them. Just seems Ben was terrified last night and this would make sense if it turns out to be true. We shall see........Juts not til Next February!

[Goblinmonger]

7. Ben could have been speaking metaphorically

Think about that Other that hasn't aged since the Ben as a kid flashback. Think about Ben, Rose, Locke, et al being healed. If they leave the island, they lose the effects of it. Maybe one of the effects is that they don't age (and the drawback is that they can't reproduce). So if they get saved, they will die whereas if they stay on the island they will live forever.

I agree that Naomi's people are Dharma. I think season 4 will be us finding out what Dharma was really all about. I don't think they kill everyone for two reasons. Desmond saw that Claire gets saved and we saw that Jack and Kate (at least) make it off the island. My guess is that Jack's angst is because others had to be left behind and some died.

I think the funeral is for a character we haven't met yet. There is no way Ben is leaving that island. And I can't think of anyone else that would be so hated by everyone as to have no visitors to the funeral.

[romantico]

8. You know something?

You might be right. I never thought about that, but Ben would never leave the island.Nor could Locke. So who? I get the feeling its someone no one liked or cared about. I listen to the podcast and a couple weeks ago the writers suggested that someone in the group (survivors) is a traitor and helping Ben)Perhaps this could be someone.

Also, where did Albert go? He didn't go with the rest and he didn;t stay behind when Ben left either. He has been questioning Ben's motives and didn;t seem to appreciate being lied to. I think he and some others,including the stewardess and the kid, went off somewhere, but where? Also, there are no more "Others", right? all have been killed.

[Zookeeper]

11. I bookmarked the site, thanks!

Last night's episode definitely raised the possibility that Ben isn't quite as villainous as he appears. We just don't know for certain what every single character's motives are.

I think Ben is trying to do more than protect his own personal paradise. I think he is trying to protect the world from the the possible mis-use of the island's forces.

My suspicion is that whoever has the boat off-shore is going to turn out to be REALLY bad. Since the beginning of the show, I've thought that whatever "power" the island has, is something other organizations, governments, corporations (or ?) would be interested in harnessing for their own gain and power.

There will be lots of twists, turns and surprises to come, I'm sure!

:hi:

[Jade Fox]

25. Ben may not be the ultimate bad guy on LOST, but....

his methods sure suck. His motto seems to be "when in doubt, lie and kill." He's the sort of control freak who distrusts others with information so much that he'll kill them rather than share it. He's been responsible for over 50 deaths that we know about. At what point does that kind of killing become a form of genocide? For instance, why did he have to kill the women in the Looking Glass station?

I believe Ben when he say's the people on the boat don't mean the Islanders or the island well. But he's killed so many himself, and lied so often, he has no credibility.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

9. "This island has given them a chance to re-invent and change and that is what this is all about"

That's a quote from the creators on that "The Answers" segment.

These are people who had screwed up lives before coming onto the island and their lives really became better when they got on the island.

If they go back to civilization - then they probably return to their crappy lives.

Some of the other things they said were:

-the lostees are seeking redemption.
-the monster could see the peoples past and sort of judged them.
-the island was drawing people - to quote the doctor who was telling Juliet about "You can see things there that you can't see anywhere else."

-most of the survivors are heroes. True heroes are born out of moments. They act nobly when they act in the good of the community.

[Javaman]

10. Okay, I'm...lost...I think I missed a part when viewing it last night...

how do we know that Jacks "flashbacks" are in the future?

[elocs]

12. Because at the very end when Jack meets Kate she says to him that he is still

pulling people out of burning wrecks. Has to be the future, otherwise did both Jack and Kate forget that they had met before?

After just rewatching it, I think that Jack and Kate were the only ones left who had made it off the island. Jack feels he made the wrong decisions in getting them off the island, resulting in most dying. Somehow their escape and stay on the island was lied about and the public doesn't know the truth. The "he" Kate refers to as having to get back to is most likely her son since it appears to be a child car seat in her car. Time will tell, but let's hope we are not disappointed in the final ending.

[Iris]

15. but she says, "He'll be wondering where I am"

which leads me to believe there's someone at home.

[elocs]

16. He=child. Like, "Where's mommy?" n/t

[Iris]

18. she was right in front of the car.

I took the original post to mean the child was in the car, but now I see it just says there was a child seat in the car.

[lies and propaganda]

32. hubby Sawyer...

[question everything]

22. Could be a husband, someone new

that she met and who helped her starting a new life.

Apparently there was a hint that this was a flash forward since the cell phone that he used is a flip phone that did not exist in 2004 - when the plane crash.

I don't know the first thing about cell phones, but this is what some are saying.

[Zookeeper]

24. Yes, I thought she was referring to a spouse....

perhaps a person that Jack knew. I don't think she would leave a child young enough to use a car seat alone to wonder where she was.

[Iris]

28. I think it was a husband. The way she said it - as if there could be

consequences beyond crying.

I thought flip phones were around before 2004, but I could be wrong. Maybe it was that particular style of flip phone?

[question everything]

31. It is a special kind of a cell phone

(told you I don't know anything about them...)

http://www.gearlog.com/2007/05/lost_season_finale_the_clue_in.php#more

LOST's island sequences are set in late 2004; all the flashbacks are from before 2004. But the KRZR wasn't released until October 2006. So there's no way anyone in a flashback could be wielding a KRZR. The KRZR guy had to be two years in the future.

[Iris]

35. ah! Great detail! Thanks for making me less clueless! n/t

[Iris]

14. Wasn't this the plot of "Return to Gilligan's Island"

"...cool is for everyone to be rescued and find their lives were better on the island" }(


But seriously . . good post. I'm replying so I can revisit to read new posts!

[romantico]

17. If you go to the Lost Easter Eggs Blog

you'll see a scene with the coffin as Jack looks at it. On the floor infront of the coffin is a book. According to some fans, this book was seen in an episode on the same site about 2 weeks ago in Ben's tent. Hmmmmm. I can't confirm this but it could be the show's creator giving s something to chew on til Next February. Can anyone verify this???

[philosophie_en_rose]

19. My theories.

Not everyone gets off of the island. Jack, Kate, Claire, Aaron, and maybe a few others leave the island on helicopters, but the helicopters do not return for the others. Sawyer probably dies. Dharma makes deals with the escapees to allow them to return to their lives (thus Kate's fugitive status is resolved).

Dead person is probably a new person or one of the lostaways with a new identity. I don't think Ben or Locke would ever leave the island. So I suspect it's Michael or Juliet.

Jack is trying to return to the island, because he probably said that he would go back for the people left behind. Oops. Kate wouldn't look back.

I think we'll see Jack trying to get back to the island next year, but will also see the people left behind.

Vincent and Hurley survive.

[Robb]

20. Here's what I would do if I was writing it:

Next season, keep up with the flash-forwards. Get you real comfortable with the idea, maybe even get viewers complaining about knowing the future.

Then plop in something that COMPLETELY contradicts the idea that they're flash-forwards. Kill someone off in the "present" and make them be alive in the "flash forward." :evilgrin:

[question everything]

21. Except. this would imply that Ben, too, left the island.

why would he? His world really has been the island, coming there as a young boy.

Assuming, of course, that they had a choice and they way Jack and Kate were talking, they did.

I agree with others that it was Michael since he was from New York and since he was the only one who left the island and, presumably, would have some idea of how to go back.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

23. Check out all of these theories about who Jacob is....

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Jacob/Theories

There is a whole wikipedia on lost (a lostpedia).

[Matsubara]

26. Naomi was NOT with Dharma.

Naomi is with some mercenary enterprise eager to exploit the Island for financial gain.

As has been explained before, Dharma, while funded by Hanso, an industrialist, is intended as a humanitarian endeavor to prevent the extinction of humanity.

Just because the "others" were at odds with Dharma doesn't mean there isn't a third party at work.

If anyone is with Dharma, It's Penelope, because she was immediately connected to Charlie via TV remote when he flipped the switch.

That brings me to may major gripe with the finale - Charlie's death. He could have easily gone OUTSIDE the hatch and shut it and saved himself.

Even if Mikhail had destroyed the whole of the Looking Glass Des & Charlie could have swam up to the surface through the moon pool.

His death was pointless.

I didn't much care for the Charlie character (I especially hated the You all everybody song), but his death felt like a cop-out. If he really gave a damn about Claire and the baby he would not have done that unless absolutely necessary, "flashes" or not.

I liked the "Flash-forwards" to the future. It certainly raises a lot of interesting questions for next season.

Lost has not regained all the momentum it lost at the beginning of this season. "Heroes" is definitely the new darling, but in the latter part of the season, they have regained a lot of steam, and I can't wait to see season 4!

[question everything]

27. I agree that Naomi represented a different, new group

Interesting point about Penelope connection. Remember the previous season finale? That airplane flying in the arctic, or something, with instructions from her? That bizarre episode was never resolved.

As for Charlie, as others mentioned, he believed that his death was required to save Claire but this whole story started since the producers thought that his character's story ran out.

See

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=6539067&mesg_id=6541274


Can we talk about that? 'Cause we fans need to know why you did it.
Yes, of course. Dominic, Carlton and I, and all the writers, really felt that when Charlie threw his Virgin Mary statues into the water last year, that was the end of his addiction arc. We weren't interested in revisiting it and having him bounce between being drunk and being sober, so we began to really struggle with the idea of what was Charlie to play now. How was he going to evolve as a character?

Why Charlie?
We felt that would be a really interesting story for Desmond, but the way it would affect Charlie excited us even more. We thought it would make Charlie enormously heroic. He is a character who I think the audience has really liked, and he has, during the course of the show, demonstrated real heroism. Like when he killed Ethan for example. At the end of season two, we realized that if there was any character on the show who would sacrifice their life so that everyone else could be rescued, that would be Charlie. What we hadn’t decided though, was whether or not Charlie was actually going to die.

But we kind of got to the point—I guess it was during the writing of "The Brig"—where we were all just talking in the writers room and we realized it's a cheat if he lives. It wouldn’t be fair, because we've made such a big story point out of it that Charlie now has to die. If he is going to accept his death, then he has to die. Otherwise, it's like, why did we do this story at all? We can't just let him off the hook. He has to die.

When you reflect back on the pilot, it was really Jack, Kate and Charlie's story. They're the three people you experience the crash with. They're the original sort of three amigos who go tromping out into the jungle.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=9c9aafc1-e118-4d0c-9686-6b982fbd4e87

[romantico]

29. Although,

there may ba another scenario no one is thinking about or considering. If this island is so special and has all this power, what if Ben and Locke are FORCED to leave? What if the island is now officially off limits and no one has a say. There lives would totally suck off the island as we are seeing hints of. Locke would be back in a wheelchair, Rose's cancer would return and we would basically pick up where we left off before the plane crashed. Who knows what will becom of Ben or even the French lady. I think we should atleast consder the idea that maybe life is better and easier on the island. Perhaps Ben is the only one who gets it. I say agai, I think Ben is one of the good guys (with unorthodox methods)

[question everything]

30. No doubt. I think that many now agree that Ben is not the worst

enemy that they have.

I doubt that Locke can be forced off the island. Both he and Danielle have developed survival skills that will allow them to stay in the island no matter what. Although with the newly found daughter around Danielle will have to adapt.

And I think it is also clear from Jack and Kate conversation that some did stay behind.

[romantico]

34. I can't wait

til February!!!!! We are now half way through the series ( 50 episodes left) we go now til 2009!!! I hope they don't wait til 3 or 4 episodes before the series ends to start wrappingthings up.

[Matsubara]

36. That actually annoys me even more...

Charlie is a "damaged" or "impure" character because of his addiction. I think it would send a much more positive message for a character like him to live on, healthy and happy.

Let a "perfect" character, like Jack, sacrifice himself.

I thought his death was a waste, and even though his addiction story was over, he still had a lot of personal growth to do, as he had been pretty much stuck in a post-adolescent mode until the plane crash.

Also, I think he could have accepted his death, but been resurrected. (IE drowned, then resuscitated by Desmond)

Life is not something to EVER be thrown away as in that scene, no matter what stupid flashes Desmond had. It hurt the program, IMO.

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37. What about Jack's dad?

Am I hallucinating or did Jack tell the chief of surgery "go get my dad and if I'm drunker than he is..." wth? Jack's dad is alive?

[romantico]

38. You really should listen to the official LOST podcast at

abc.com. They talk with the writers and if you listen to past epsuidoes you can see where they give settle clues on future episodes. The writers have in fact confirmed two things from last weeks show.

1.) When ever someone on the show dies they stay dead
2.) They were well aware about what Jack said about his father and he was not drunk or out of it


So, since we did see his father die I have come up with two possibilities. One, Jacks mother has remarried. Perhaps she marries a friend of Jack's father who was also a Doctor. That or maybe that wasn't really Jack's father. We need to remember that Claire and Jack are related and CLaire knew nothing of her father. Is it possible Jack knows nothing of his father as well? Hmmmmm........