I dreamed about Maddie McCann last night~~The little girl abducted in Portugal

[Whoa_Nelly]

The dream was a MSM TV news report with all the crawlers, before and updated photos, as well as looping video footage of Maddie being moved to safety by a police team of some kind and loops of her being reunited with parents. There was also live feed of some official making a statement.

I dreamed she had been found in a basement three months after her abduction. She was in good condition. In the dream she was found in NYC, but as far as dreams go, that could mean she was found in a place removed from Portugal, and for some reason in the dream I thought it might mean somewhere in France.

Just thought I should post my dream. Sometimes I have precognitive dreams. I hope this one comes true.

[billyskank]

1. You are getting this in the States too?

The size of this story is quite bewildering. :hi:

[Whoa_Nelly]

3. It was the lead story on ABC Nightline last night

It is an International story. While there are abductions of children daily, the news story made the point that an International abduction by a stranger only happens every 3-4 years.

Kind of found that statement a bit misleading as there ARE International abductions of children frequently, if not daily, for the child sex slave trade.

But, what do I know? :shrug:

and :hi: billyskank! :loveya:

[kay1864]

4. BS, can you give us the English viewpoint on this?

Americans are aghast (me included) that parents could leave a 4yo (and 2yo twins) alone in a villa with the patio door unlocked, while dining 100 meters away. And apparently they had done so for several nights.

Are Brits equally aghast at the parents? Or is that sort of thing commonplace while on holiday?

(and yes, it's somewhat prominent on Yahoo News, although not quite the coverage as in the UK)

[Whoa_Nelly]

7. There are American parents who leave their children without supervision

and willingly endanger their lives every day, whether in the US or abroad.

Hardly a British affectation of parenting. Meanwhile, would bet dollars to donuts that Maddie's parents will never leave their children unattended again. It's sad, but sometimes it takes a tragedy, even a near-miss tragedy occurring, for some parents to wake up and realize they made a bad choice.

I hope Maddie is found alive. Elizabeth Smart was found. Maybe Maddie can be as fortunate.

[kay1864]

8. And those parents are equally stupid

But my question was not about the behavior of parents, but rather how Brits vs Americans perceived such behavior.

[Whoa_Nelly]

10. OK

Just didn't sound that way...I read it as more accusatory re: brits.

My apologies. I must have misinterpreted your post. :hi:

[kay1864]

12. No apologies needed!

I'd seen some allusion in news stories that Europeans are more understanding of the parents' behavior than Americans are. So I wanted to see if Billyskank concurred.

I try to be sympathetic to a different cultural norm, but in this case I just can't be.

And Madeleine's parents are both doctors, for crissakes. They should know better.

[GreenPartyVoter]

14. They left a 4yo to watch a set of 2 yo twins?

[kay1864]

17. I think all three were asleep

IIRC

[GreenPartyVoter]

Maybe she woke up, went looking for her parents and was actually

abducted outside of where they were staying?

[billyskank]

15. I'm the wrong Englishman to ask

I don't have a TV and I don't read the tabloid papers, so I'm pretty out of the loop. I don't know, I'm afraid.

[kay1864]

18. I guess I was looking for what you hear people talking about

But maybe this isn't water-cooler conversation...dunno.

You mean you're not the spokesperson for all things English? Here in the Lounge you are! :hi:

[billyskank]

20. No, at work all the guys talk about is football and beer.

;)

[CottonBear]

6. This has been huge news on Court TV, Fox, CNN and MSNBC.

There's nothing like a missing white girl (especially a cute 4 year old) to make the mainstream media go wild with 24-7 coverage.

Poor little girl. I hope she's found but I fear she's dead at the hands of a pedophile. :(

[bridgit]

2. i'm still trying to absorb having left her in a hotel home in a foreign country while dinning...

it is a tragedy there's no way around that :(

[Whoa_Nelly]

5. From what I read, they parents were dining in a place not more than 400 ft. from their hotel room

But, am with you. Even 25 years ago when my son was three, I would NEVER have left him alone in a room while I stepped out to dine. The very idea wouldn't even have crossed my mind.

:hi: bridgit!

[kay1864]

9. And to clarify, it wasn't a hotel room

It was a villa with an unlocked patio door. Not as secure as a hotel room.

Either way, inexcusable. Even without predators, you don't leave a 4yo unsupervised like that. What if she decided to climb on the sink, or retrieve her toy from behind the TV?

:scared:

[Whoa_Nelly]

11. Clarification is always good

Regardless, I agree with you re: would never leave any child unattended.

Meanwhile, Maddie is still missing, and her parents can't go back in time and make a different choice about what they did that night...meaning, I choose not to go deeply into a discussion that blames the parents. I just originally posted because I dreamed about Maddie, and I do hope she is found alive. There is only the next moment in life, not the one before that cannot be undone. I feel compassion for her parents and family.

[Divameow77]

13. I read somewhere

that it's fairly common for parents in Europe to leave their young children unattended... I can't remember where I read it.

If that had happened here to a 22 year old single mother though, she would probably be in jail for child abuse.

[SPKrazy]

16. I'll Bookmark It

seriously do your precog dreams have a different feel to them than regular dreams?

I've had some dreams that were more along those lines and they had a different feel to them, it's hard to explain "what" the difference is because I have a hard time remembering dreams well anyway.

Hope they find her safe though. :D

[Whoa_Nelly]

21. Sent you a PM

:hi:

[some guy]

19. I hope so too.

A good outcome is always to be hoped for.

I've had a few precognitive dreams, though I only recognized them as such when I was 'in the moment' and it hit me like a deja vu feeling. I'm generally bad at remembering dreams on waking.

:hi: new sweetie :hug:
:loveya:

[Whoa_Nelly]

22. Hi, some guy!

I dream vividly every night, and remember many of the dreams upon waking. I rarely have nightmares, and for the most part enjoy dreaming...it can be pretty entertaining :rofl:

But, just wanted to post this dream becasue it had the hallmarks of precognition re: clarity, sequencing, in the moment, color and sound. There's just something different about those types of dreams...more like I'm in the moment, but it's not my moment, it's not about me...I am a watcher of the moment.

New Sweetie ;) :loveya:

[some guy]

23. It's been a long time

so I don't remember well, but doesn't Castaneda write about dreaming and finding the functionality of the dream self?

Do you ever become involved in the moment, or are you content to watch, is my question.

I used to try to get to the state it sounds like you reach, but my conciousness would intrude too strongly, I guess is a way to say it, and I would wake myself up. As soon as I was aware I was in the dream, I would try to become active in it. Maybe I should have been more content to just watch and become comfortable with that state first.

Yep, you're a good person to crush with, you open up new aspects of ideas I haven't thought about in years. :bounce:

:loveya:

[Whoa_Nelly]

24. Per Castaneda: Dreaming is part of the Mastery of Intent

After one has gone through and achieved the Mastery of Transformation. The intent is the use of lucid dreaming, meaning being aware in the dream and making choices.

Mastery of Intent – Once the warrior-traveler has accumulated enough surplus energy, enough personal power, the dormant second attention is activated. Dreaming becomes possible. The warrior-traveler maintains impeccability, walks the path with heart, and waits for an opening to freedom.~~ Don Juan to Castaneda The Art of Dreaming

My dreaming, like the one I had about Maddie, has me attendant in a time not of the present. So, in those types of dreams, I am the observer as it is not me, is not my life.


The sorcerers' explanation of how to select a topic for dreaming,is that a warrior chooses the topic by deliberately holding an image in his mind while he shuts off his internal dialogue. If he is capable of not talking to himself for a moment and then holds the image or the thought of what he wants in dreaming, even if only for an instant, then the desired topic will come to him. DOn Juan to Castaneda Tales of Power
http://www.thedoor.hit.bg/castaneda/donjuan4.html

[some guy]

25. okay

:)

I've been thinking about this, and wanting to say <I don't know what>

I get that it isn't lucid dreaming in terms of making choices, and I understand the attendant-as-observer status, but I don't get how it isn't you.

It isn't important that you try to clarify that for me, it's just what I internally run into, from your posts. :shrug:

:hug:

[Whoa_Nelly]

27. Frederick (Fritz) Perls said re: Gestalt and dreaming

(paraphrasing here) You are everything in your dreams. Everything you dream is a projection of yourself.
(I think that came from his book In and Out the Garbage Pail)

And, I wholeheartedly agree with that assumption.

Yet, when I have dreams that seem to have a different quality, that do turn out to be precognitive, I can tell it's not about me. It's more like having a front row seat at an event. It's like I'm a visitor, not in any way a participant.

[some guy]

29. That makes sense

I've probably read somewhere that everything n a dream is manifested by the dreamer. I just never consider any of it. In the few dreams I recall, I'm always aware of 'me' and everything else is 'not me'

I always feel like a spectator, even when I'm vaguely aware that 'me' the dreamer makes a choice. Like go through a door, or up a flight of stairs. It's never 'me' that decides that, I just notice the going up the stairs rather than through the door.

Having said that, I do know the difference between dreams where, for instance, I'm searching for <something> vs dreams where I'm just watching things unfold. I'm a detached searcher... I wonder if I'll find what I'm looking for, and if I'll recognize it if I do. :)

Waking life is kind of like that too. I kind of stumble around, distracted by the next shiny thing. Some times it's an idea I want to understand better, and I delve into that; other times I get distracted by a new, different shiny thing half-way through delving into understanding the last new shiny thing. :D

[Whoa_Nelly]

30. I like shiny things, too

;)

[Haole Girl]

26. I hope you're right

It would be so wonderful if she could be found alive.

[Whoa_Nelly]

28. I sure hope so, too

Hi KC2! :hi: