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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 11:48 PM
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Calling all Grammar Nazis!
I've been absent from DU for a while and thought a good grammar/syntax question would be a great way to reenter the fray.

Which is the (more) correct sentence?: (as a side note, is the use of the colon after the question mark correct?)

He maintains that "the world is flat!". OR
He maintains that "the world is flat". OR
He maintains that "the world is flat"!

In other words, how does a writer keep the tone of the speaker he is quoting?

Thanks!
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 11:50 PM
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1. I can hazard a guess...
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TOhioLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 11:52 PM
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2. I believe the correct usage is...
He maintains that "the world is flat!" No extra punctuation.
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Omphaloskepsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 11:53 PM
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3. I agree..
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 11:55 PM
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4. I also agree,
and no, you don't need the question mark after the colon.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 12:00 AM
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6. What if the writer's statement was a question?
Would it be: He maintains that "the world is flat?"
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 12:02 AM
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7. Then it becomes total nonsense, because he isn't maintaining
anything - he's asking it.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 12:08 AM
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10. Perhaps I am using bad examples.
The crux of the question is what do you do when it seems that punctuation conflicts and you want to maintain the tone of the quoted material?
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 12:13 AM
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11. As a writer, I'd probably rearrange the sentence a bit.
"The world is flat?" he asked.

But to answer your question to the best of my knowledge, I think you'd go with the punctuation that belonged with whatever the end of the sentence is.

eg:
He looked around the room and cried, "Can no man tell me if in fact the world is flat?"
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 12:16 AM
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12. Rearranging the sentence is probably the best route to take.
Just a problem I've run into on various occasions:)
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Omphaloskepsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:16 AM
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17. Then it becomes pedantic.
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Omphaloskepsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 12:04 AM
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9. I would say yes.
From what I have been told the punctuation should fall before the ending quotation mark. Add a space after that and start a new sentence.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 11:56 PM
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5. There is no reason for puntuation
He maintains that the world is flat, and so on
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 12:02 AM
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8. #3, I believe.
Because you're quoting person #2 while the first speaker seems the most emphatic about it, therefore the exclamation point goes outside the quotes.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 12:17 AM
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13. Reporting for duty. Leave the quotation marks out entirely.
Redstone
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 12:17 AM
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14. DS1 is correct
If "maintains" is your verb, quotation marks are not indicated.

If you want to convey the speaker's meaning, you can do so by quoting him/her directly, if "The world is flat" is what he/she actually said:

"The world is flat!" he said.

Or,

He said, "The world is flat!"



Herr Grammarübersturmbannfüerher.

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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:11 AM
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15. You might want to choose an alternative to "maintains"...
He insists that the world is flat!
or
He insists, "The world is flat!"

"Maintains" conveys that one is sticking to their belief; but doesn't indicate any particular emotion accompanying that belief. I'm assuming, since you're considering use of an exclamation mark, that you want to express a strong feeling associated with the person's belief that the world is flat.

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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:15 AM
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16. He maintains the world is flat. Think AP...
...Concise is best.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 05:56 PM
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18. It depends on which string you want to print.
Oh, sorry, thought this was a C syntax thread.
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 06:01 PM
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19. the second one is the most correct.
But like the other people said the quotes aren't necessary.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 11:11 PM
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20. 2 pics


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