Rapture Ready person prefers Christian immigrants over Mexicans.

[Deep13]

I was trolling at RR looking for news of the Apocalypse being caused by NH's civil union law when I ran into this gem.

After accusing liberals of encouraging genocide against Iraqi Christians, he or she wrote this:
"I myself would be much more willing to allow Christians in other country's
who are in mortal danger to come to the Unisted States to live rather than let in a bunch of illegal alian Mexican Immigrants who do nothing but Lower the value of labor in this country."

Huh? Is this person saying that Mexicans are not Christians? Aren't most of them Roman Catholic? Being a "Unisted States" citizen, I am not personally familiar with Mexican religious practices, but I thought that model of the guy on the cross all over Mexico's churches is supposed to be Jesus Christ.

I'm not a fan of Christianity or of illegal "alians." Still, this is either shocking ignorance about one of our neighbors or else it is a denial that Catholics are Christians. Seems to me that comes close to trampling on the 9th Commandment. (False witnessing.)
http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=3723

[La Lioness Priyanka]

1. aren't a lot of mexicans catholics and thereby christians?

[LynneSin]

2. Catholics do not believe in the rapture

Rapturism is not a very wide-spread belief amongst Christians - I truly believe that more people approve of George W. Bush then actually believe in the rapture

[Deep13]

5. Wow, so I agree with the Vatican on something.

Who wooddah thunk it?

[slj0101]

10. While they won't actually come out and say it,

the rapture philosophy is considered heresy.

[Deep13]

3. Yeah, that was my point.

I guess they are following some OTHER Jesus Christ. :shrug:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

6. jesus who?

you mean the racist jesus who doesnt like the alians.

yeah i guess the mexicans dont believe in that jesus

:P

[AllegroRondo]

7. yup, the "white" Jesus thats in all the paintings

:shrug:

[Deep13]

8. Right, the same Jesus who supports the Ku Klux Klan. nt

[havocmom]

15. Evangelicals making many converts in Latin America

Don't know why the woman is complaining.

And still can't get my head around how it is liberals are killing Iraqi Christians? :wtf: Didn't their poster-boy-pResident-who-talks-with-god start the killing over there? Trying to deal with such twits is like trying to argue with a drunk. No point in it at all.

[AllegroRondo]

4. many Protestant sects dont consider Catholics to be "true" Christians

unless its for determining what percentage of the US population is Christian.

[guitar man]

9. "ding ding ding"

we have a winner! They sure like to use the Catholics to ring up the numbers for their side, but they wouldn't walk across the street and piss on them to put them out if they were on fire otherwise.

[mduffy31]

11. I know

The preacher that my MIL wanted my wife and I to marry us had three conditions for us, one was if we were living together one had to move out, if we were having sex we had to stop and we both had to be "saved." I asked him the fact that I went to Catholic School and I attended a Catholic Parish counted and he said NO! Needless to say he didn't marry us.

[Sequoia]

16. Oh, but Mel Gibson would beg to differ on that.

According to him only his brand of RCism gets to go to heaven, and even his wife is going to hell because she's not the right brand.

[ashling]

12. Not to rain on your thread, but

and, admitedly I like to make fun of these nimrods as much as the next DUer, but to be fair, I don't think this person was saying that illegal immigrants from Mexico aren't Christian.

Christians in other country's
who are in mortal danger

It seems to me they are talking about Christians from Islamic countries.

However, I am personally more than willing to make fun of this person's spelling LOL

[Deep13]

14. Yes, I noticed that.

If I read what they wrote then that is what it means. It is the attitude and background information that makes me suspect that there is more to this than simply wanting to save victims of genocide. First is the willingness to blame liberals for everything that ever goes wrong. Second is their animousity towards any kind of diveristy of thought. Also, as several posters have noted, Catholics and liberal Christians are not true Christians to them. My suspicion is that they just don't like Mexicans. Lastly, I have to suspect that the genocidal fears they mention are made-up just to scare themselves.

[unpossibles]

17. plus, I would say (and this is a guess)

that most Mexicans (and other Central and South Americans who go through Mexico on the way here) who come here risk life and limb to do so. Guess starvation and poverty are not mortal endangerments to this person.

[jakefrep]

13. The "Rapture Ready" crowd doesn't pay too much attention to the "false witnessing" thing

Consider all the slander they spout about the ACLU and the theory of Evolution.

[unpossibles]

18. please Jesus, come down and show some of your followers

how to open and read a textbook. Heck, I'd settle for showing them how to spell check.

[realisticphish]

19. A lot of such people

don't consider catholics to be christian :shrug:

after all, they worship mary, not jesus :eyes:

[EstimatedProphet]

20. It's both

1) RaptureReadyians don't know fuck all about anything other than what their pastor/programmer tells them, and he doesn't no fuck all about anything, including the Bible; and
2) There's a lot of fundienutjobs who think that Catholocism isn't Christianity, nor is Lutheranism, or shakerism, or Quakerism, or anything other than their own exclusive little sect of about 30 people. Many of them truly believe they invented Christianity.

[Deja Q]

21. Didn't Cortez invade Mexico and slaughter the natives in 1519 or so;

for not converting?

I know it's a bit more complicated, but the short story is - he invaded, conquered, compelled his religion on all else or have them suffer pain of death. Seeing how the Aztecs engaged in ritual human sacrifice didn't help matters either, I suspect...

[Deep13]

22. Yup. That is how both Christianity and Islam spread...

...at the points of swords and eventually the muzzles of guns. If one believes the Old Testament, that is also how Judaism spread. Ask the Midianites.

[Critters2]

23. Tehnically, that was just a land grab

No one wanted the Midianites to convert. They just wanted them to get off the land.

[Deep13]

24. Yes, but they were murdered too.

According to the OT, every last Midianite was killed after they surrendered except for virgin girls who were taken as slaves for breeding purposes. Even the animals were kills. Good, old Joshua. Maybe the story is fabricated. I don't know, but it is typical of OT cruelty.

[Critters2]

25. The story was written down after the Babylonian exile,

so probably more than a little chest-thumping to make a weakened people feel that they had once been strong. Cruelty is only part of the OT story. The prophets called for justice and peace, and talked of time when even animals would be treated kindly.

[Deep13]

27. Sorry I think that is a pretty charitable reading.

I guess I don't really care about the animals when people are stoned for the most mundane of "offenses." Cruelty toward women in particular is rampant in the OT. In Genesis there is a story of Lot offering his daughter as a gang rape victim so the mob does not "know" his male quests. Nothing comes of it, but in a later story a similar thing happens with different characters. In that story the woman is gang raped on night and dies the next morning. Similarly, the horrific story of Isaac and the sacrifice is carried out to the end in a later account. Some king asks God for victory and in return after the battle he will sacrifice the first living thing he sees in his doorway. Well guess what. It was his daughter and he killed her. I Bible as a whole with the possible exception of the sermon on the mount is an appalling lesson in morals and ethics.

[Critters2]

31. I don't have time to refute all you've written,

but I will say that the king's sacrifice of his daughter was a punishment for having made a stupid deal, which was his idea, not God's. And he actually could have reneged on the deal, and NOT have sacrificed her. The whole thing was his idea. In fact, if you read it carefully, God even put an animal in the way for him to sacrifice--since he insisted on the deal in the first place. It is a morality story, about the dangers of being manipulative, about not just accepting life as it comes. But you've already decided to hate this text--and those who see wisdom in it. So, I'm no doubt wasting my breath.

I'd recommend you read the writings of Rene Girard--his writings on the role of sacrifice in sacred literature. Most enlightening. But you'd have to want to be enlightened.

[spinbaby]

26. Heard from a born-again once....

"I used to be Catholic but then I became a Christian."

[Deep13]

28. Heard similar statements about Catholicism and about non-evangelical...

...Protestant churches.

[Javaman]

29. My spidey sense is tingling...

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=2333

[Deep13]

30. Well, I hope that works out for them.

:eyes: