What's the difference between Chemtrails and Contrails?

[TheDalaiMama]

I have noticed the sky filled with what I thought were contrails but they lasted a long time and blended together like a cloud. Someone told me they are chemtrails.

What is going on? Anyone else notice this?

dalai

[DrWeird]

1. Contrails are stupid. Chemtrail understand the 4 sided harmonic time cube

And they're out to get us.

[brainshrub]

2. The difference:

Contrails: The clouds people on the ground see behind a jet airplane is it's engines pass thru cold air high in the sky.

Chemtrails: What people who listen to too much Art Bell see when they spot a Contrail.

[pmbryant]

3. That about sums it up.

Good post.

:thumbsup:

--Peter

[Mikimouse]

13. Darn, I always thought that a Contrail was...

that slimy stuff I see all over the porch in early spring, or was that a NeoContrail. I am so confused!

[ParanoidPat]

4. The difference between a 'chemtrail' and a 'contrail'.....

.....is determined by the length of the staples holding your :tinfoilhat: on! :evilgrin:

A little known fact; Chemtrails can only be seen by people who lack an understanding of meteorology. ;-)

[StClone]

5. Exhaust from jets

Are contrails. They contain mostly water vapor, carbon dioxide and minute residuals of fuel. They can remain for many hours and may become, or be included in, stratus clouds.

Chem trails may be a colloquialism for contrails.

[cryofan]

6. chemtrails are caused by an imbalance of neurotransmitters in believers

serotonin imbalance?

[Baclava]

7. It's all a plot...

Whatever you're seeing...you'd think even the Mind Control bureau of the .Gov would have enough sense to make it a little less obvious, now wouldn't you?

[54anickel]

8. Kucinich believed in them

http://www.geocities.com/theawakeningnews/Chemtrails-Chemtrails_Outlaw.html


The debate surrounding the federal government’s alleged weather modification experiments has landed in the U.S. Capitol, thanks to Cleveland Democrat Dennis Kucinich. Representative Kucinich introduced the Space Preservation Act of 2001 on October 2 last year, seeking a “permanent ban on basing of weapons in space.”
The bill, HR 2977, specifically outlaws a variety of weapons detailed in the December 6, 2001, Columbus Alive article “Stormy Weather,” which exposed allegations of secret government aerial spraying activities. Kucinich’s bill explicitly outlaws “chemtrails.”

Alive asked Kucinich why he would introduce a bill banning so-called chemtrails when the U.S. government routinely denies such things exist and the U.S. Air Force has routinely called chemtrail sightings “a hoax.”

“The truth is there’s an entire program in the Department of Defense, ‘Vision for 2020,’ that’s developing these weapons,” Kucinich responded. Kucinich says he plans to reintroduce a broader version of the bill later this month. “Plasma, electromagnetics, sonic or ultrasonic weapons laser weapons systems” were among those banned by HR 2977.

[Silverhair]

32. All the more reason why DK would lose the national POTUS election. n/t

[SlainteMhath]

9. Contrails are real and chemtrails are paranoia

Contrails are from the compression of moisture laden air by the leading edges of aircraft.

Chemtrails don't exist.

[ex_jew]

12. So why didn't anyone see them up until recently ?

Perhaps the physics of compressing moisture-laden air has changed. That must be it ! By the way, looking at the non-existent chemtrails, I see that most airliners don't cause them. I'm sure you can explain that as well.

[ParanoidPat]

15. I've seen contrails as long as I can remember......

.....and I'm 48! :evilgrin: Could you define recently?

Just for fun, go rent just about any western movie from the early to mid 60's and watch the sky in the background. You will see contrails. It's always been one of my pet peeves. :)

[NashVegas]

16. No One Has An Answer For That One

I can remember, as a little girl making snow angels in the back yard, seeing jets fly far over head and leaving contrails. If I held out my arm to the sky, the average length of the trails were that of one finger's view. Evaporation came quickly. On a clear, bright winter's day with skies cobalt blue.

Today's contrails are the length of a whole arm and longer, and they stick around for hours.

I'm not going to sit here and get all paranoid, but I'm sure as hell not going to listen to anyone who says there's nothing that's changed in the last seven years.

[DrWeird]

26. It's kind of like clouds.

Some are small and move real fast and then disappear. Some are bi and fat, and hang around for hours. Those are the clouds you have to look out for. OOOooo!

[Silverhair]

33. I watched contrails as a kid too. And they haven't changed.

I go back a pretty long ways, to before jet airline travel. I remember the sensation in the news at the first jet airliner. I looked at contrails too, and sometimes they stayed there long after the plane passed, and sometimes they evaporated quickly.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

36. Yes, condensation is mighty scary

Anything that floats in the sky is suspect.

[Pithlet]

27. I can remember seeing them all my life

I'm 31 years old. They don't seem any more or less common now then they did when I was a kid.

[0007]

30. Been around for a long time now, we just have more of 'em

because of the air traffic. What indeed grabs attention is the the big X in the sky.

Planes nothing more.

[soothsayer]

10. contrails are natural condensation and unburned fuel; chemtrails

are some sort of sprayed substance, possibly as part of HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program)---part of a gov't program designed to study and eventually control the weather. The USAF has stated that it wants to "own" the weather by 2020, as weather can be weaponized for use agains the enemy. Weather changes are caused by electrical changes in the ionosphere, so some folks reckon that chemtrails (some of which may contain pulverized metals) are designed to hang wayyyyy up high in the atmosphere, so then things like HAARP can blast them with electrical energy, thus creating weather changes. If you watch, you'll notice alot of chemtrail activity just before a weather front is predicted for your area. Chemtrails hang in the air and as you noted, fan out and make the whole sky overcast, whereas contrails tend to disperse.

If you lived on the east coast, you might have seen some green flashes in the sky during hurricane Isabel. These are thought to have been HAARP-related emissions, which is perhaps why that huge hurricane petered out without doing nearly the amount of damage it was predicted to; also, that may have spawned the bizarre killer tornadoes in several states. I'm sure weather control is tricky and has all kinds of side effects.



The reason folks KNOW there is a difference between chemtrails and contrails is that contrails can only form during particular atmospheric conditions (temp and humidity) whereas chemtrails have been observed occuring outside those parameters.

Also, contrails follow flight paths of planes; chemtrails seem to go all the heck over the place, on parts of the sky that are NOT normal flight paths. And you'll see bizarre things: 2, 3, 4 planes flying side by side leaving parallel lines; planes intersecting and creating big x's; even helicopters leaving big O's. Sometimes planes leave big O's, too. You can even see huge chemtrails in satellite photos of the earth.

Other theories of chemtrails are: military testing for dispersing bio-weapons or chemical weapons; protection for us from the depleted ozone layer; vaccinations and immunizations on unsuspecting citizens. I'm sure there are other theories, too.

Keep watching the skies...!!

[soothsayer]

11. read the above post of mine, thedalaimama, it's a serious answer

maybe the others are too, but mine's a more open-minded one

[BeFree]

14. Nice going, soothsayer.

I actually learned something from your post.!

I watch clouds as a part time occupation. I pretty much knew how contrails are formed and have watched hundreds of them over the years. I always wondered why some days, there would only be one, maybe two, all day. If what you say is true - that the HAARP program is making chemtrails -- explains why only a singular trail would be evident all day.

Thanks for solving that.

[Cannikin]

17. Tin foil hat alert!

Did you notice there were NO chemtrails on 9/11! Huh? Seee? How do you explain that one away...I knew somehow chemtrails were related to 9/11 and I bet Bush knew about them!

[BeFree]

19. No chemtrails on 9/11?

the atmosphere wasn't conducive for contrails that day, I guess. When the atmosphere is conducive for them, I have seen as much as 50 at a time. It is those days when only one or two show up that made me wonder why only one. Chemtrails could be the reason. No tin foil here.

[Cannikin]

20. It was a joke....

They grounded all the planes..hence no trails...

And as a commercial aviation enthusiast, I can say that the jet airway over you is probably only used on certain days or during certain regional weather conditions. The one tail you did see was probably heading to a city in a nearby state, or what is called a 'short haul' flight, while all other longer distance traffic may have been on another airway.

[BeFree]

23. I was thinking of the skies before all the planes were grounded

Ya know, like in the pictures of the skies that morn. I thought maybe you were looking at some and wondered why there were no contrails that morn.

Actually, where I live, and have lived, are under many a daily flight path. Within my field of view of a hundred-plus miles, anytime the atmosphere is conducive to trails, trails are there.

What you don't seem to grok is that some days, when the atmosphere is NOT conducive, i.e. really dry air, just one trail would show. A purposefully left trail would explain that occurrence. No Joke.

[Rabrrrrrr]

24. Actually there WERE some that day from AF1, and in the following days

Which I thought was totally cool.

I remember reading - maybe in the Times, perhaps somewhere else - a few months after the bombing that since all the planes were downed for a number of days, except AF1 and some other military planes, that for the first time in moden meteorology scientists were able to both look at the sky without contrails, but more excitingly, to actually witness without interruption the effect of contrails on cloud formation.

I remember in the article they had some pics, and showed AF1's contrail from, I think it was Nebraska to DC, and since that was the only one in the sky, they were able to watch it over hours and hours as it grew from the single contrail, and eventually turned in a multi-state-sized cloud.

And other contrails during the following few days after the attacks geenrally did the same - they were the base on which amazingly huge clouds formed.

It opened up the thought, at least, that wow - all our planes flying around might also be a reason for an increase in cloud cover.

I always wish I had saved the article and the link, because I was very impressed. And it really was the first time in probably 50 or more years that America's skies were actually free of air traffic, which is also amazing to think of.

[TheDalaiMama]

22. thanks soothsayer....

dalai

[Silverhair]

34. So if a NY to LA airliner crosses paths with a New Orleans to Chicago

airline, and the weather is right for contrails, guess what is going to happen? A big X in the sky. And all the tinfoil hatters will go bannanas yelling, "Chemtrail!!".

Have you ever noticed that some roads on the ground have more cars on them that others do? Strange isn't it that some roads are more traveled that others. <Sarcasm> The same thing with the airways. Planes don't just hear out across country on a straight path to their destinations. They get on highways in the air, marked by radio beacons. (It makes air travel much safer that way.) Some of the airways are more traveled than others, just like the roads are.

But in the sky there is this thing called "wind". The air is in motion. Watch an individual contrail closely. It doesn't stay in the same place. It drifts. (unless the plane was flying with or against the wind) If the wind is directly from the side of the contrail it drifts pretty fast. A few minutes later another plane comes down the same airway, and the contrail has drifted some to the side, so it looks like the planes are flying parallel paths, instead of one behind the other. On a busy airway, it can produce lots of stripes in the air, if the weather is right for them to last.

Have you ever seen roads have intersections? Yep. Roads cross sometimes. Amazing that roads cross each other, isn't it? Some intersections are really busy. Must be some sort of gov't plot to have so many cars trying to get through the same intersection. Same thing in the sky. The airways have intersections too, and some of them are pretty busy. A busy air intersection, when the weather is right, can make the sky look woven with contrails.

Of course, to the tinfoil hatter, none of this matters. That is all part of the great gov't conspiracy and they disguise it by using busy air intersections.

Somebody has been watching too much "X-files" reruns.

[Minstrel Boy]

18. I used to laugh about this stuff. I don't anymore.

I mean, do these look like ordinary contrails?



Or these?

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I know, chemtrails seem the height of paranoia. I used to dismiss chemtrails too as the stuff of overactive imaginations. But I started paying attention to the sky. And I noticed, occasionally, aircraft flying in parallel formation laying down thick lines of...something, sometimes making cross hatches, and the stuff hung in the air and eventually joined together.

I haven't read much on the subject, but I don't think chemtrails are wholly attributable to unfounded hysteria. So what could be going on up there?

I suspect it's an attempt to reduce greenhouse warming by seeding the atmosphere with aerosol compounds of aluminum and barium oxides, and to introduce ozone generating chemicals into the atmosphere.

Fanciful? Well, in 1992 a panel on the policy implications of greenhouse warming, sponsored by the National Academy of Sciences, National Academy of Engineering, and the Institute of Medicine, concluded that that the most effective global warming mitigation turned out to be the spraying of reflective aerosol compounds into the atmosphere utilizing commercial, military and private aircraft





http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/smoking_gun.html

For what it's worth, an interview with someone who claims insider knowledge on the project:
http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/shieldproject.html

http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/hos.html
http://www.skyhighway.com/~chemtrails/

[Cannikin]

21. If you can tell me where the photo's were taken..

I can look the area's up on my charts and gain some insight.

[Minstrel Boy]

29. The top photo was taken

by Dr Annette Patterson in Green Valley, Nevada, June 11, 1999. The second I don't have any more than "Kansas."

[ParanoidPat]

31. You also need the time of day.....

.....and the weather chart with temp/humidity/barometric pressure/winds at that altitude. :)

I've seen skies like that in NY, (I grew up 2 miles from LGA) in Florida, (I lived in Melbourne 1/2 way between Patrick AFB and Melbourne Regional) and here in California. ( I live under the glide path into SFO) I've also seen patterns like that in Ireland near Shannon Airport under the right conditions.

Contrails don't stay where you put them. They move with the prevailing winds. When a series of 'stacked' traffic headed in the same direction go by at regular intervals, and there are prevailing crosswinds, the contrails appear as a series of parallel lines. If the contrails from two intersecting air corridors are caught in a crosswind that blows diagonally across both corridors, the resulting pattern resembles that shown in the pictures. As far as those who claim this is something new, they just weren't paying attention in the past.

[psychopomp]

39. It's an interesting bit of contemporary folklore

and not the least surprising that some people start to wonder, with events like this one visible in Indianapolis this month:

[Pithlet]

25. Actually, yes

They do look like contrails, to me.

[Cannikin]

28. I agree..looks like a high-density airway..

[truth2power]

35. I saw this phenonemon just this past Friday.

Thought about it at the time, that it looked like those chemtrail pictures.

This is a question that's never been answered to my satisfaction - I've seen contrails, and they appear to occur at a very high altitude. These so-called chemtrails always look like they are quite low. Maybe someone can explain why the difference.

[DrWeird]

37. THE CHEMTRAILS HAVE BEEN THREATING US SINCE WWII!

IT'S A SECRET NAZI EXPERIMENT! I TELL YOU! AND THEY'RE USING AMERICAN BOMBERS!

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LOOK OUT!

[Rabrrrrrr]

38. American bombers being flown by members of the Illuminati!!

(and evil evolution-believing atheists)

That's what I heard, anyway.