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Thu Jun-21-07 04:20 PM
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Who is the most overrated comedian or comedic actor? |
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Name comedians and comedic actors who aren't necessarily bad at their craft, but are overrated.
I'll start...
Mo Rocca.
Mo Rocca can be funny at times, but he relies too much on non sequiturs. Sorry, Mo, but weird is not always funny.
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Thu Jun-21-07 04:21 PM
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Thu Jun-21-07 04:46 PM
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Thu Jun-21-07 05:42 PM
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19. ditto to the second power |
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:21 PM
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34. First one that came to mind. eom |
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Fri Jun-22-07 07:44 AM
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136. First one I thought of (n/t) |
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Thu Jun-21-07 05:43 PM
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but on his late night tv show |
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he often gets cool musical guests - so this makes up for his unfunnyness.
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:10 PM
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26. self delete, see post below |
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:13 PM
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28. that couldn't be less true. |
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Jimmy surpassed Conan as the best Network late nighter soon after he started but you don't see good press anywhere in the mainstream, atleast I haven't.
Jimmy really isn't a comedian anyway, certainly not an actor. He's a personality who knows to rely on having good taste in showing or presenting things that are funny or interesting rather than try to ever do a standup act or get particularly animated or theatrical.
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:18 PM
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31. it about personal taste |
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you are welcome to your opinion, but obviously, I'm not alone in mine. Glad you enjoy him. I don't. I think his "humor" is sophomoric and juvenile. But have at him. B-)
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:41 PM
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45. Him not being a comedian and him not being highly rated in the mainstream are about reality |
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reality which you chose to ignore to make your dumb opinion, an opinion the "it's personal just taste" defense/cop-out won't work on me with.
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:52 PM
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50. Jimmy Kimmel is a comedian... |
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Jimmy Kimmel is a comedian... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_KimmelJames Christian "Jimmy" Kimmel (born November 13, 1967) is an American television comedy talk-show host, comedian and producer.
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Thu Jun-21-07 09:04 PM
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71. Wikiality, Jimmy is a radio host turned talk show sidekick turned show host/producer |
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Thu Jun-21-07 09:05 PM
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72. Yes he is...just not a very good one (n/t) |
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Thu Jun-21-07 10:32 PM
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94. my "dumb opinion?" My my, how open minded of you. |
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the question was who did we think was over rated and I gave my opinion. You disagree and that's fine, but then you respond with calling my opinion dumb. Seems to me you have problems with others having a point of view different than yours so you resort to insults. It says a lot about you that you would make an issue over such a silly subject. :thumbsdown:
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Fri Jun-22-07 09:20 AM
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137. He's great. Extremely fast with his mouth |
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Beats the shit out of Jay Leno any day
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Thu Jun-21-07 04:22 PM
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Hideously bad and un-funny.
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:32 PM
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41. Fourthed, if thats really a word |
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I thought he was kinda funny the first time I saw his act, after a while it was just kinda sad.
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Thu Jun-21-07 09:21 PM
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Hi, Saw him on SNL and uh..seemed to act like his poop didn't stink, and then was very defunny.
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Thu Jun-21-07 11:58 PM
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To be overrated, someone somewhere has to think he's funny. I've never met anyone who thinks he's funny.
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Fri Jun-22-07 09:20 AM
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139. Visit a college campus some time |
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All the girls think he's teh funnay
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Fri Jun-22-07 12:10 AM
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110. That guy sucks rhino schlong. |
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He's also well known in the industry as a joke thief.
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Thu Jun-21-07 04:23 PM
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4. All of tha above and I would add Tim Allen, Sinbad, and Rita Rudner |
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His show could be quite funny at times but his standup sucked.
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Thu Jun-21-07 04:27 PM
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the funniest thing he has ever said is that he is a comedian. And yet, there are those programmed to laugh on cue ergo his overrating.
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Thu Jun-21-07 10:11 PM
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83. The funniest thing ever that Rush said... |
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Was when he said the OKC bombing was committed by a right wing whacko!!
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Thu Jun-21-07 11:28 PM
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103. He might not be funny; |
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Thu Jun-21-07 04:28 PM
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8. Dana Carvey comes to mind. |
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Yeah, Garth Algar was hilarious, but Master of Disguise? Not so much.
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Thu Jun-21-07 08:18 PM
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56. Church Lady was good. His stand up is mediocre. What is a skit and impression guy going to do... |
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after retiring from SNL, the top venue in that field? He was good at what he used to do, but he can't do it anymore.
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Thu Jun-21-07 09:39 PM
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Church Lady was great. I also liked his character in Wayne's world alot, I think he did that shy sidekick very well.
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Thu Jun-21-07 04:41 PM
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:04 PM
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24. Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis. |
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At least Dean could sing while Jerry was just mean to women. Little twerp.
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:05 PM
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Thu Jun-21-07 09:31 PM
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76. I played Who's on First in my office for a visitor from Europe who thought that the... |
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clip about Rice telling Bush that Hu was the new president of China was funny. While we were watching another foreigner came in. They both thought it was good comedy. Maybe we take them for granted
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Fri Jun-22-07 06:26 AM
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131. It's just one bit, derived from the British Music Hall |
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"Who's On First?" is descended from turn-of-the-century burlesque sketches like "The Baker Scene" (the shop is located on Watt Street) and "Who Died" (the owner is named Who). In England, in the variety halls (Britain's equivalent of vaudeville theatres), comedian Will Hay was doing a routine in the early 1930s (and possibly earlier) as a schoolmaster interviewing a schoolboy named Howe who came from Ware but now lives in Wye. By the early 1930s, a "Baseball Routine" had become a standard bit for burlesque comics across the United States of America. - From Wikipedia
I dunno, I just never liked them much. Although the premise behind "Who's on First" is great, it isn't theirs.....
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Thu Jun-21-07 04:45 PM
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10. I never "got" Buddy Hackett |
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Currently I think Larry the cable guy is waaay overrated. Comedy is very subjective
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Thu Jun-21-07 04:46 PM
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12. Will Ferrel = NOT FUNNY |
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Thu Jun-21-07 05:15 PM
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17. Absolutely and firmly seconded |
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Thu Jun-21-07 05:41 PM
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18. thirded - not funny - same character all the time |
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Thu Jun-21-07 08:21 PM
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Will Ferrel's imitations of Duh-byuh are hilarious
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Thu Jun-21-07 08:25 PM
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63. Go fuck yourself, San Diego! |
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Thu Jun-21-07 10:34 PM
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95. I've always hated him until the Pearl the Landlord video |
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Thu Jun-21-07 10:45 PM
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99. You got that -- he sucks |
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Why, oh why, do movie producers keep encouraging him?!?
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Thu Jun-21-07 05:01 PM
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14. the "Git'er Done" guy and his side-kick, the smoker (Ron Something?). |
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Thu Jun-21-07 05:04 PM
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He did a movie called "Austin Powers" which was sort of funny. And then he wasn't funny anymore.
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Thu Jun-21-07 08:26 PM
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64. When I was on vacation I saw Goldmember in the $5 bin. |
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I think the original Austin Powers was still 10 or 13
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Thu Jun-21-07 05:10 PM
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16. this thread is a who's who of over-rated. |
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Edited on Thu Jun-21-07 05:12 PM by idgiehkt
:)
edit: I think Martin Lawrence can be really funny, like with shanaynay and stuff.
Another one is that Jerry's kids guy, who is such a jerk underneath, I can't remember his name.
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Thu Jun-21-07 05:43 PM
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20. I just want to say "Yes" to all of the above. |
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Thu Jun-21-07 05:57 PM
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Making faces just isn't funny to me.
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48. amen! Carey is wretchedly un-funny. |
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Thu Jun-21-07 08:05 PM
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53. Jim Carrey has done several very good films. |
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Liar Liar. Endless Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. And my screenwriting teacher showed excerpts of The Truman Show as an example of excellent filmmaking.
Even back in the In Living Color days he did a Fox made for TV movie which was a serious role and he was very good. He's more than just a goofball.
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Thu Jun-21-07 11:34 PM
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105. I honestly think his best stuff was on "In Living Color" |
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like I love this "Imposter" one, a spoof of the Snow song "Informer" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icb_tRTnA4g
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:03 PM
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HE.IS.NOT.FUNNY.JUST.A.JESTER.
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Thu Jun-21-07 07:18 PM
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I wish people were smart enough to realize that jumping around like an manic idiot and making stupid voices does not equal comedy.
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Thu Jun-21-07 08:01 PM
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52. I don't think he's done anything decent since Moscow on the Hudson |
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Maybe Good Will Hunting. I stopped seeing his movies by then.
He is also reputed throughout the comedy community to lift people's material on occasion. They did it all the time in the 40s and 50s but it's a no-no these days.
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111. Robin Williams stopped being funny when he stopped doing blow. |
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Listen to me, I'm a whiny, self-centered, neurotic New York asshole!
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Thu Jun-21-07 10:02 PM
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81. yep another one in my "I don't get it, didn't get it, and never will get it" |
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category. The only thing good about that show was Julia Louis Dreyfuss, even though they tried to make her look as ugly as possible for some reason (Jerry wanted to be the prettiest?)
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Thu Jun-21-07 10:27 PM
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91. Agreed. Mr. BAL loves him; I leave the room. nt |
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Fri Jun-22-07 12:56 AM
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116. Yes, because nobody really cares about lint. |
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:15 PM
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29. Lewis Black is more overrated than Mo Rocca, the most among TDS people |
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I don't think Mo ever got a 60 Minutes piece.
Chris Rock is also pretty overrated considering his specials have gotten worse every new one he has and his movies are always horrible.
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:25 PM
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I really don't understand how anyone can say that Lewis Black is overrated. If anything, Lewis Black is underrated simply because he is so awesome.
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:30 PM
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40. have you seen his standup (tv specials or live)? Listened to his albums ? |
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I've done all. Back in Black is where he does his best work by far. The other stuff doesn't hold up.
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:39 PM
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44. I've seen a lot of Lewis Black's routines... |
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I've seen a lot of Lewis Black's routines and I have yet to see a routine which isn't funny.
What do you think is weak about LB's work?
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Fri Jun-22-07 06:29 AM
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132. But you like Jimmy Kimmel????? |
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Your opinion is unique, perhaps bizarre, and easily ignored......
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:17 PM
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Edited to add Ray Romano. :puke:
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used to play a character with his pants up to his chest and his hair in a horn style, then did a parody of a talk show...... aahhhhhhhh what's his name? anyway, him (especially the talk show host character...).
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:26 PM
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37. Martin Short, that was Ed. Grimley |
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I don't know who the talk show host was.
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Thu Jun-21-07 08:29 PM
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67. Prime Time Glick or somesuch |
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The whole premise seemed to be: watch Martin Short wear a fat suit and act effeminate.
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Thu Jun-21-07 08:32 PM
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Jiminy Glick? I thought that he did capture that whole affected/demented talk show host thing, where 99% of the persona is plastic, pretty well...but it was kind of strange.
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Fri Jun-22-07 12:17 AM
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112. When Steve Martin received the Mark Twain award I saw Martin Short do a... |
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four or five minute tribute to him, and it was freaking hilarious.
I didn't like Ed Grimley and I've never seen Glick.
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Fri Jun-22-07 09:49 AM
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142. Jiminy Glick is hilarious - I love Martin Short |
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Saw him in New York back in February, in his show "Fame Becomes Me." When he did Jiminy Glick I almost peed myself laughing.
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:27 PM
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38. That'd be Martin Short |
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the pants 'n' hair character was Ed Grimley.
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Thu Jun-21-07 08:28 PM
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66. I remember the Ed Grimley cartoon series. How the fuck did that ever happen |
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I guess if you do enough coke in the 70's with Steve Martin and Chevy Chase, something's going to go your way.
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:20 PM
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33. Whoopie Goldberg. She's never said ONE funny thing even ONCE. |
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:34 PM
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42. I agree. I'd lump in Margaret Cho with her on that one. |
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:37 PM
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her comedy is geered much more toward minorities and gays and lesbians, and for people in that demographic she is such a breath of fresh air, I find her hysterically funny. Here is a great bit she does, it's a little slow getting started but it's more social commentary like most of her stuff. asian chicken salad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLYHfxWqorc
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58. I thought Margaret Cho was good when I first saw, her, but she seems... |
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to like talking about herself more than making jokes now. It's kind of like Kathy Griffin but not as good because Griffin is an expert at getting herself into funny situations.
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Thu Jun-21-07 10:59 PM
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101. I love both Kathy and Margaret |
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I'm one of Kathy's gays, and Margaret is just too damned funny.
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I think Kathy is funniest in her show when the non sequiturs just fly out, and who else but Margaret Cho would say something like "Laura Bush's pussy tastes like Lysol"...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Thu Jun-21-07 08:28 PM
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65. I must disagree. If you have ever seen her one woman show, |
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at least I felt it was a tour de force performance. I think she's very funny!
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I really wish it had made it, I thought it was cool.
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82. I guess you and I were the only ones who did, idg.... |
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:23 PM
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35. Richard Pryor would never be rated as highly as he is as a standup if he wasn't an A-list movie star |
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His huge fame in the mainstream from his movies made the masses see his standup act, making him one of the first comedians with that type of irreverence alot of them saw, and as always influence gets conflated as/with greatness and talent.
He was funny, but he doesn't have anything on par with dozens of hours of genius standup output a bunch of other comedians like Steven Wright who he's always placed above.
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Thu Jun-21-07 08:23 PM
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62. WTF? Pryor was doing stand-up on Ed Sullivan in the '60's... |
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He was a major stand up comedian loooooong before he became an actor.
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93. And he co-wrote "Blazing Saddles. " Definitely NOT overrated, IMHO. nt |
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Thu Jun-21-07 10:51 PM
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100. Bizarre comment. n/t. |
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Fri Jun-22-07 12:30 AM
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113. Steven Wright would probably be the first guy to tell you that Pryor belongs... |
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...in the comedy pantheon.
Maybe you're not as old as me but my friends and I were listening to "That Nigger's Crazy" before I ever saw him in a movie. (Car Wash -1976)
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Fri Jun-22-07 06:32 AM
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133. RP was a GENIUS. And WAY before films. |
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:28 PM
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Not everybody loves Raymond.
Honorable mention goes to Paul Reiser.
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Thu Jun-21-07 09:37 PM
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the few times I ever sat through a few minutes of that show, was 'if that ever happens to me I'll fracking kill myself'. That isn't comedy, that is misery.
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:43 PM
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46. Trio of turds: Dane Cook, Larry The Cable Guy, and Carlos Mencia |
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Thu Jun-21-07 06:48 PM
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47. they're all awful but being commercially marketable isn't the same as high ratedness |
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corporate executives are propping them up and shoving them down peoples throats, not comedy/creative people.
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Thu Jun-21-07 08:07 PM
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54. Definitely Will Ferrell... |
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About as no talent as I've ever seen.
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Thu Jun-21-07 08:18 PM
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Conan O'Brien, Dennis Miller, Jay Leno (except when he does headlines but he doesn't really do them, people send them in).......there's more but that's all I can think of now.
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Thu Jun-21-07 08:22 PM
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60. Carrot Top is by far, the biggest idiot |
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Fri Jun-22-07 06:44 AM
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135. How dare you say that about Carrot Top! |
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Thu Jun-21-07 08:22 PM
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61. Whatshername? Lampenelli I think. Racial epithets are no substitute for material |
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Thu Jun-21-07 08:34 PM
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the heavens part and the sun breaks through
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she makes my skin crawl...I hope she gets lost in a minority section of a large metropolitan area one day. Can't. stand. her.
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Thu Jun-21-07 09:07 PM
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73. Lisa Lampanelli, I'm pretty sure her career is based on pity |
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they need to stop inviting her to all the roasts. Insult comedy in itself is mediocre enough
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Thu Jun-21-07 09:42 PM
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79. She's the Ann Coulter of comedy |
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I know she will get punched out one day...hope I'm watching.
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Fri Jun-22-07 06:33 AM
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134. I'm thinking it's based on the shock of her X-rated gross-out insults. |
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Thu Jun-21-07 09:18 PM
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I admire her as a person, but I don't think she is funny as a comic. She has yet to make me crack a smile.
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Thu Jun-21-07 10:00 PM
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Thu Jun-21-07 10:14 PM
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I hate that piece of crap. No, I'm not 80,000 years old.
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Thu Jun-21-07 10:17 PM
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Obnoxiousness is not funny.
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Thu Jun-21-07 10:21 PM
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I listen to some of her routines on the Comedy station on XM radio and she is HORRIBLE.
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Thu Jun-21-07 10:27 PM
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Edited on Thu Jun-21-07 10:28 PM by snailly
I forgot about her and I agree.
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Thu Jun-21-07 10:38 PM
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96. Lucille Ball. There, I said it. nt |
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Thu Jun-21-07 10:41 PM
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97. Sarah Silverman. Dennis Miller. |
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Thu Jun-21-07 11:30 PM
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104. I second both of them. |
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even his audience was forcing laughs on the concert tape i saw. and drag? is there a point?
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Thu Jun-21-07 11:24 PM
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Talentless hack and joke thief.
Should be working at Taco Bell.
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Fri Jun-22-07 12:03 AM
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108. Bill Hicks, Sam Kineson. |
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I know, sue me. They were loud, obnoxious, insulting, and degrading. And banal. They were like listening to some old guy in a barbar shop whine about kids these days. With the exception of Dane Cook and Carrot Top, no one I saw on this list bored me more than either of them. Though someone has to mention Sinbad.
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Fri Jun-22-07 12:36 AM
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If you don't find Bill Hicks funny, just who do you find funny?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Fri Jun-22-07 12:51 AM
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Bill Hicks wasn't funny. Doesn't mean others aren't. Odd question. If you do find Bill Hicks funny, who do you find unfunny? :shrug:
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Fri Jun-22-07 01:15 AM
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120. Just asking a question of you. |
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If you don't care to answer just say so. I guess you assumed I was going to attack your sense of humor, or lack thereof.
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Fri Jun-22-07 01:28 AM
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122. Didn't mean to sound that way. |
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I answer all these posts with a bemused grin, which of course you can't see, so my post sounded snarkier than I meant it to.
Just struck me as an odd question, like asking "Okay, so if you don't like haggis, what food do you like?" I like most comedians, I just don't find Hicks funny.
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Fri Jun-22-07 04:38 AM
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128. I just need to get out more. |
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The only people I personally know who don't like Bill Hicks are my elderly mom and a couple of Republican neighbors. That's why I was interested.
In my experience, more often than not, folks who think alike politically also have similar tastes in music, humor, movies, etc..
If you had come back telling me that you're a Yakov Smirnov fan that would have been a dead giveaway that you were a infiltrating freeper. Ha!
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Fri Jun-22-07 09:20 AM
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138. Hey, Yakov Smirnov was ahead of his time! |
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Fri Jun-22-07 01:00 AM
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117. I feel like I know you by heart. :D |
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There are some very funny moments in the Hicks catalogue that have nothing to do with sick, obnoxious, degrading or banal. Such as his ability to make Pro-Life folks look ridiculous, or his bit on how likely Jesus would enjoy seeing a cross as his symbol, with a hypothetical remembrance of JFK through little sniper rifle pendants. "Just thinking of Jack!" :D
Of course tastes are tastes. I mean, if you'd rather hear "men and women are different..." jokes, fine. But hopefully you can at least see some imagination in where Hicks chose to take his material.
And what I meant by my OP is that you can almost always be expected to take sides against artists elevated by snobs. Why is that? :D I don't mean to suggest your tastes aren't genuine, but that always struck me as weird.
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Fri Jun-22-07 01:15 AM
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119. See, that's exactly what I find unfunny. |
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His "ability to make Pro-life folks look ridiculous." I don't find labeling, stereotyping, insults to be funny. And no idea why you think I'd like "men and women are different" jokes... I lump Bill Hicks into that category, actually. Rather than banal and dehumanizing crap about gender stereotypes, he spouted banal and dehumanizing crap about whatever group he doesn't like.
I want someone edgy, who says something, not someone who points out the obvious to his group of cheerleaders. Whether it's Hicks bashing religion or Gallager bashing watermellons, it is boring and predictable to anyone other than devotees. Give me Pryor, Bruce, Hackett, Williams. Some of Chris Rock's later stuff is good. Stuff that says something new in a new way, not just repeating old cliches about people they hate. Something that genuinely challenges society, not someone who just says "what's up with that?"
I like light humor, too, like Sienfeld or Romano, if I'm in the mood.
I tried hard to like Hicks, but after a few hours of him, I just had to admit I was trying to force it, and he wasn't as edgy or insightful as people were telling me he was. Same with Kineson. Okay, he hates women. Does he have anything to say that wasn't written down in the first joke book ever written?
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Fri Jun-22-07 05:16 AM
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129. "he spouted banal and dehumanizing crap about whatever group he doesn't like." |
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Since you probably never made it to the end of one of his routines you missed the part where he challenges the audience to make a choice "between fear and love."
" The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your door, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one.
I'm gonna share with you a vision that I had, cause I love you. And you feel it. You know all that money we spend on nuclear weapons and defence each year, trillions of dollars, correct? Instead... just play with this... if we spent that money feeding and clothing the poor of the world, and it would pay for it many times over, not one human being excluded and we can explore space together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace. Thank you very much you've been great, I hope you enjoyed it..."
Is it funny?
No, I guess not. ...especially when you compare this sentiment side by side with reality.
Hicks didn't rail on people to make his audience feel like exclusive members of the cool kids club. He laughed at people because he thought it was hilarious that they couldn't overcome their own greed to make the world a more humane loving place.
He jokingly called himself a precious "dark little poet", and I'm sure he would have found your opinion of him incredibly funny.
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Fri Jun-22-07 09:24 AM
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140. See, that routine is what I'm talking about |
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EVERYBODY was saying the same thing. Make love not war. Spend all that money on people instead of on the military. What was insightful or unique about that? All he did was throw a few pretentious words at a very common sentiment. That's his whole routine, to me. Maybe he was a beautiful person. But he was banal. Someone else mentioned Yakov Smirnof above. Yakov was a beautiful person, too, I'm sure, but he just said the same, obvious stuff over and over. That was Hicks.
Sorry. I just didn't like him. I tried to, I just didn't.
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Fri Jun-22-07 01:25 AM
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121. And to answer the other point. |
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I think you've got me backwards. I don't dislike artists elevated by snobs. I dislike snobs who bash artists for being popular, and that's usually the side I take. I'm sure there are a couple of artists who are generally liked that I don't like, but that's because I don't like them (Steely Dan comes to mind). Other than a handful, I generally love everyone, and that's what I get the most smack from the culture snobs over. But I won't hate someone just because "snobs" like them.
What I look for in art is genuineness. I try to see what the artist was doing from the artist's perspective. If I'm listening to Billy Ray Cyrus, I'm not angry at him for not being Pavoratti or Bob Dylan. I listen to what he was trying to contribute. Doesn't mean I find something in everyone, just that I look for it. Some artists--like Steely Dan or Bill Hicks--I don't find genuine. I find them trying to put on an appearance of cool. WIth Steely Dan, it's "Look how cool our lyrics are, we sing about fancy drugs," and with Hicks it's "Look how cool I am, I hate every little thing you can think of." Too formulaic, too forced, not enough true insight. I'd rather listen to "Achy Breaky Heart--" at least it knows it's just a dumb little dance song.
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Fri Jun-22-07 02:31 AM
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125. So that's what you're after |
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I suggest that's a dead end as well. Just as fans of popular artists (particularly the ones "snobs" like to bash) aren't a monolithic bloc drawn in for wholly simplistic and contemptible reasons, snobs who bash those artists aren't a monolithic bloc who bash for wholly simplistic and contemptible reasons either. In other words while it's too simplistic for a snob to say "those idiotic BRC fans are just led about by marketing and promotion--if only they'd heard of obscure country star x!" it's also too simplistic for you to say "those idiotic snobs are reacting against BRC fans simply because of his popularity--when they bash him, their motivation isn't like or dislike but a desire to separate themselves from the majority because they feel that act of separation gives them identity and makes them unique/cool/whatever."
Authenticity is a tough thing to measure. I agree you can argue that an artist who sells out without pretense is more authentic than one whose only unique identity is the pretense of refusing to sell out, but isn't authenticity only a part of what makes art enjoyable? And doesn't it follow that people's ideas about what constitutes authenticity and how important it is will be just as thoroughly subjective as their ideas about what constitutes good art? In other words, neither the snobs nor the "popular music isn't bad because it's popular" people should have any reason to bash each other, and they should realize that their views are an oversimplification of what each school of thought is about.
Worse, people tend to lump someone into these overgeneralized groups based on their like or dislike of a single artist, whereas no music fan I've ever heard of is wholly elitist snob or wholly egalitarian commercial pop defender--there is always a significant blending. The funny thing that comes with that problem is that people can just as easily write the same person off as elitist that others would write off as egalitarian, depending on which artist is being discussed.
I think people who react against what's popular just because it's popular are just as silly as those who react against something snobs love because snobs love it. People should like what they like, without trying to fit those who disagree into an all-encompassing simplistic sociological system.
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Fri Jun-22-07 09:41 AM
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141. I'm an egalitarian more than an anti-elitist. |
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When I bash someone, it's for bashing large groups of people who don't deserve it. When someone starts screaming that a popular entertainer is a "talentless fuck" (seems to be the most common insult), they insult everyone who likes that entertainer. Often they go further, bashing all the fans (Like Larry the Cable Guy, who I admit I've rarely seen or heard outside of Cars), not just the artist. That's elitist. That's anti-Democrat. That's what I come down on.
This thread was about "overrated" comedians. I listed two who are popularly praised, who I find unfunny. It would be silly for me to name Carrot Top--no one rates him highly in the first place.
As for authenticity, I wasn't arguing that an artist who "sells out without pretense" is authentic, I was arguing that I take what is offered in the spirit in which it was given. Billy Ray Cyrcus couldn't sing like Elvis if he wanted to--he isn't "selling out" because he doesn't sound like Elvis. He's just offering what he can, without claiming he's more than he is. I can appreciate that. Don't always like it--there are popular artists I don't like, obviously. To me, selling out is doing something formulaic to make a buck.
I'm egalitarian. All are created equal. No one should have to apologize for who or what they like to listen to. That's unAmerican. That's undemocratic.
Your last line is good. It is exactly the point I've been trying to make.
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Sure, his politics suck, but above all the guy is completely not funny.
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Fri Jun-22-07 01:58 AM
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123. Richard Lewis, Rita Rudner... |
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Two people who have, at no point in either of their careers, ever been funny.
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Fri Jun-22-07 02:06 AM
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124. Carlos Mencia, Joe Rogan totally called him out for stealing jokes. |
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Its hilarious worth a watch, its on Joe's website.
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127. Adam Sandler or Will Ferrell. |
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A tie. Both have one movie I like but overall nowhere near as funny as people claim.
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I've had friends who thought they were hilarious but all I see is pathetic attempts at physical humor, not remotely funny. I wouldn't watch them for five seconds.
Mo Rocca is an outstanding nominee. I'm only familiar with him via Olbermann, and that's the only time I ever click away from Countdown, and immediately.
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