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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 10:58 PM
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How a citizen feels...
I was doing computer work for a client today (job placement program) and a guy was having trouble trying to view a PDF file. He was trying to download the Acrobat reader program.

Basically, the reader was installed, but he had to register to view the PDF file in question. He didn't want to, first saying it would cost money, and then got hostile. Not toward me but to our capitalist system. He used an adjective, that is printable, but I'd forgotten. Hearing a person in real life speak up against America's capitalist system really speaks volumes. And he said them so others could hear too.

Given repukes' removing of overtime, trying to eliminate "minimum wage" and lots of other vile inhuman things (not to mention foreign exploitation/outsourcing with * supporting them and openly blaming American workers in the process), I can't blame him for feeling angry.

I used to like capitalism, but when the capitalists become inhuman, it's time to take their toy away.

We've got to win in 2004. Or else we're screwed forever.
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:11 PM
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1. What should we replace Capitalism with?
Edited on Tue Jan-20-04 11:12 PM by BigDaddyLove
Which Democratic candidate do you recommend I vote for who will put an end to this evil capitalism once and for all?
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:37 PM
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2. Don't kill it. Just neuter it.
I have also been known to speak out in public like this. Few dare to question me when my gander is up.
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:45 PM
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3. O.K., then how do we go about 'neutering' Capitalism.......
I would REALLY like to understand what you mean....I DO NOT mean it as a flame.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:51 PM
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4. Regulation
Corporate charters, Tax multinationals products made overseas for consumption in America. Ban interstate banking. Put the government in control of the FED and not a private corp like it is now.
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:55 PM
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6. Do you think that such 'neutering' actions.........
Edited on Tue Jan-20-04 11:55 PM by BigDaddyLove
would have a cooling affect on the US economy, or would there be no real difference?
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:57 PM
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7. No
Edited on Tue Jan-20-04 11:58 PM by camero
It would increase economic output by making American products cheaper than foriegn ones and eliminating usury in banking and finance, thus freeing up cash for spending. Minimum and maximum wages through progressive taxation will help.

edit: It would also force corps to bring manufacturing jobs back.
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:03 AM
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10. It would seem to me then that the biggest challenge........
to taking any of the aforementioned steps would be the financial institutions who are making so much money on finance charges.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:05 AM
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11. Yes, it's also political
People are so content with picking up crumbs that they fail to see the person who is stealing the bread.

Yes, you're right. It's because banking has been privatized and de-regulated. It wasn't always so.
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:09 AM
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14. I agree with the political aspect certainly..........
only I tend to add a 'human nature' side to it as well; that is, I just simply believe that it's part of human nature to want to be on top and to do whatever it takes to get and stay there....it's not just an American Capitalism thing.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:13 AM
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15. If that were completely true
Then Europe would have the same system we have and as much of an income gap between rich and poor but they don't. I don't discount the argument. It has some truth to it. But people are not as ruthless around the world as we are individually.

Hopefully we won't lose 50 million citizens to come to that realization.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:01 AM
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8. Okay, not eliminate but constrain. Besides...
Edited on Wed Jan-21-04 12:01 AM by HypnoToad
Pro-US, pro-people, will put a fair restrain on corporations.

Given how vicious the pukes are, we need someone equally vicious on 'the other side' (or in this case, the pro-society side) to deal with it.

I'm not against capitalism, but this "freedom" excuse is bullshit these days. And I can see why people would start to hate capitalism utterly and entirely.
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:05 AM
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12. I more or less agree...........
but I don't think it's just Republicans who are pro-capitalism...in my mind, the system is rigged on all sides toward the wealthy; it would take nothing less than a revolution to do what you're suggesting.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 11:55 PM
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5. hey Hypno
At work I'm trying to copy ALL the codes in a PDF on a web site - the instructions I inherited say CTL-A but when I do that it only picks up the codes on the current page. I've tried numerous other ways - I'm talking pages and pages of codes. Any ideas? No one I work with is very familiar with Acrobat.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:02 AM
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9. None, I'm afraid.
I've got a book at work covering Acrobat, but I've never had the time to study it completely. :-( Sorry, wish I could do more to help...
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:06 AM
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13. their Help function sucks;
I wonder if I can find a manual on the internet; I guess I could try that.
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