I am missing teef and my face hurts.

[LeftyMom]

The drugs made my heart race really fast, the dentist said I got really white and he thought I would pass out.

I am on vicodin.

I can't eat real food for dinner, so I'm stuck with soup. :(

[Left Is Write]

1. Been there. Didn't like it.

:hug:

[mainegreen]

2. Did you get that weird syringe to wash out the holes?

I hated that thing.

Hope you feel better.

[LeftyMom]

8. Nope, only some gauze, two prescriptions and a follow-up appointment.

I have stitches, but the tooth came out really easy. I thought he was still getting ready and he already had it out.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. I'm so sorry, my dear LeftyMom...

Get better...

And more importantly, feel better, sweetie... :hug:

[LeftyMom]

12. It had to get done.

Luckily I didn't have to get general, so I can go to work tomorrow.

[JackBeck]

4. Clearly, I'm missing something.

Not as much as you, but what happened? And hope you feel better soon.

[Left Is Write]

5. I believe she had her wisdom teeth removed.

[JackBeck]

6. Owie. Lower ones out a 15.

Major problems.

Upper ones out at 20. Back at Summer theatre rehearsal within a day.

[LeftyMom]

9. I have a shiny new retromolar gap

Someday some anthro student will fail a test question because they mistake my mandible for that of a H. sapiens neanderthalensis. Their instructor will tell them that prominent nose and retromolar gap or no, the fillings ought to have been a giveaway.

[Fire Walk With Me]

7. Oooh, not fun. Hope you feel better fast!

[Lars39]

10. Do you know what was given you?

Sounds like a med that needs to go on your Known Allergy list. Hope you get to feeling better soon.
:hug:

[LeftyMom]

11. Some sort of a local and gas.

I don't know if it was the gas, the local or nerves that got my heart going a mile a minute.

[Breeze54]

13. Did you have wisdom teeth removed??

Now you are the wiser. ;)

Sorry to hear you are in pain, but that will pass... eventually! :evilgrin:

Really though, I hope you feel better soon. :hug:

[MonkeyFunk]

14. Owie...

hope you feel better soon.

[Lyric]

15. The numbing agents generally contain epinephrine

Which is just a fancier name for adrenalin. It help keep the tissues from swelling in the area of the injection (which makes it more effective and less painful), but it can cause very rapid heartbeat, fast breathing, etc. Usually goes away in a few minutes, though. :)

[Omphaloskepsis]

16. Do not let the painkillers wear off.. Set the alarm clock.

It is so much easier to keep the pain away. Once you start to hurt it can be hard to get it to go away again. Don't smoke, don't drink through a straw. Dry-socket is a bitch.

[jpgray]

17. You'll want to know this about Vicodin's development and introduction into the US

Source: Los Angeles Times
Date: 19 October 2003

By Greg Critser

...

Hydrocodone (the chemical name of Vicodin's primary ingredient along with acetaminophen) is one of hundreds of older drugs that were introduced before 1962, when Congress passed a landmark amendment to the Food and Drug Act that gave the FDA much more power to oversee safety and efficacy testing. But buried in a series of tests done in the 1930s are a number of troubling facts.

First, a primer: Hydrocodone was first manufactured in the early 1920s by the German pharmaceutical company Knoll. As its name denotes, hydrocodone is the codeine molecule with a hydrogen atom attached. At the time, Knoll believed hydrogenizing codeine might make it less toxic and easier on the stomach. At about the same time, the U.S. government was searching for an answer to the growing "opium problem," the thousands of middle-class Americans who became hooked on opium derivatives then used as cough suppressants. In 1929, the U.S. Bureau of Social Hygiene gave the National Research Council several million dollars to study various new compounds like hydrocodone, seeking to find a less addictive painkiller.

To do so, the National Research Council appointed Dr. Nathan Eddy, a pharmacologist and professor at the University of Michigan. Eddy's charge was to assess the safety, efficacy and side effects of 350 drugs, from morphine and codeine to Dilaudid and hydrocodone. Efficacy testing was rigorously carried out on hundreds of laboratory animals. To find out how well a substance killed pain, Eddy devised a test in which a cat would be immobilized by a series of metal clamps; pressure would then be applied to its tail. A researcher would record how hard and long the pressure was applied before the animal "displayed a response." The animal would then be dosed with any one of a number of compounds. The researcher would then apply the same pressure, say, 25 minutes later. If the animal did not yelp, more pressure would be applied until the it finally "displayed a response." The difference between the first number and the last came to represent the compound's "analgesic effect."

Fortunately for science, but unfortunately for the animals, Eddy was a thorough and dogged researcher, performing these experiments thousands of times.

I feel like a petty asshole for posting this, so all the abuse that will be thrown at me for mentioning this while you're hurting is not only justified, but unanimous. However, your support for the protesting of the March of Dimes charity walk decided me. The animal lovers that organization has helped don't deserve to feel guilty about not having a dead child anymore than you deserve to feel guilty about taking anesthetic or painkillers. So consider this my handing an online flyer to you, if you like.

Wrong time, wrong place? Tacky? Yeah, I feel the same way about the aforementioned protest of the March of Dimes walk. Only difference is that we'll probably both agree about it being asshattery this time.

[LeftyMom]

18. Of course that's horrible.

Unfortunately, there isn't a prescription drug in the US that isn't animal tested, because animal testing is part of the FDA approval process. And I'm one of many people who thinks that's both horrible and outdated. The best one can do, I suppose, it to avoid them as much as possible and to get generics when one can, so at least the testers aren't the ones making a profit.

I already argued with you about the MOD thing. I'd be happy to do it again when I can stand up straight, and maybe speak intelligibly.

[jpgray]

52. You're far better at "do the least harm" than I am, and I'll always respect you for that

But this is just my clumsy asshole way of trying to explain why some people think there are wrong places and wrong times to protest or simply provide information about animal rights abuses. In this case I know everyone can agree it's tacky. That's the only point I wish to make, so now that the post has had its chance I'm willing to alert on it to get the subthread deleted. If you want it to stay up, just let me know. I don't want to distract from the OP any more than I have already. I was careful to avoid accusing you of being less pure as a vegan, because I don't have any right to judge you in that.

[bicentennial_baby]

23. How completely f'd up of you!

Wow....Of all people....You?

Goddamn, the world gets more twisted every fucking day. x(

Yeah, I'm in a bad mood...Sue me.

[jpgray]

26. It is, as you say, completely fucked up

People who are suffering don't deserve to feel guilty for wanting some relief. At least in this case -everyone- will agree the person who did it is an asshole, including said person.

[bicentennial_baby]

30. What?

The person who did what?

I just think that it was very shitty of you to bring this up, when someone is in pain. As a dedicated vegan, I know that she knows the facts. She's in pain. She doesn't have an alternative, as she stated. I just think that posting as you did is in poor taste, and mean. :shrug:

[jpgray]

35. Even I think I'm an asshole for doing it. I think protesting at a MoD charity walk is in bad taste

In this case, all sides agree (including me) that sharing this information with someone can be in extremely poor taste. LeftyMom doesn't deserve to be guilt-tripped any more than a mom whose infant was saved by the March of Dimes.

[bicentennial_baby]

37. But, you can't deny that

the experimentation done on animals on behalf of MoD has been horrific, at best. Our animal friends deserve better. Just my .02

[jpgray]

39. Of course. I just don't always agree with the time and place of the protests

Just as people don't agree with the time and place of my post above.

[bicentennial_baby]

41. OK, I understand that.

We all have our opinions. As long as you can acknowledge the facts behind the protests.

[flvegan]

24. You know what else?

Tires and automotive paint have cow parts in 'em.

Should you feel like a petty asshole? Meh, what the hell do I care about that, eh? Seems that you knew it was a bullshit move to begin with, but...whatever.

If you want to throw down with the Shriners, you should know that they/the masses test on animals even though there are alternatives. You might also want to know that many of the corporations fight AGAINST alternatives. Here's where I give props to P&G, as they've actually (as much as I hate them) made strides in considering alternatives.

At the time, it HAD to be done. Today, it's by choice.

You calling a vegan, an activist out based on purity, is absolute bullshit.

Regardless...

Experimenters funded by the March of Dimes have:

sewn shut newborn kittens' eyes, then killed them after they had endured a year of blindness.

put newborn kittens in completely dark chambers, then killed them after three to five months.

removed fetal kittens from the uterus, implanted pumps into their backs to inject a drug that destroys nerves, then re-implanted the fetuses in the uterus. After the kittens were born, they were killed and studied.

implanted electric pumps into the backs of pregnant rats to inject nicotine, even though the dangers of cigarette smoking to human babies is already known.

injected pregnant rats with cocaine, though the dangers of cocaine to human babies is already known.

injected newborn opossums with alcohol, decapitated them an hour to 32 weeks later, then removed and studied the gonads (immature sexual organs), though the dangers of alcohol to human babies is well known.

transplanted organs from pigs to baboons, most of whom died within hours.

transplanted organs from guinea pigs to rats.

destroyed the ear drums of unborn lambs, then killed the mother sheep and lambs just before birth to examine the brains.

Despite these experiments, the Centers for Disease Control reports that birth defects are occurring more often. Of 38 birth defects studied over a 10-year period, an astounding 27 have increased in frequency, nine occur at the same rate, and only two have decreased in frequency.

There are many reasons for this, but the most important is that the human physiology is vastly different from the physiologies of other species. It’s true that all animals are sentient beings capable of feeling pain, but the similarities essentially end there.

For example, testing chemicals, pharmaceutical drugs, and addictive substances on pregnant animals and then trying to apply the results to humans is a waste of lives and money because humans are so different from other animals. Consider that:

humans have a longer period of fetal development, so may be more
sensitive to birth defect-causing agents than other species.

genetic differences among species of animals affect the way they react to chemicals.

different species develop in utero at different rates and along different schedules, calling into question animal studies on chemicals that affect fetuses at different stages of development.

differences in the placenta may affect the absorption of chemicals among species.

the route of administration of a potential birth defect-causing agent to the animal may not be the most common route of human exposure. For instance, animals may be given nicotine intravenously, whereas human exposure is through inhaling cigarette smoke.

animals are rarely given chemicals on the same time schedule as humans. Animals are usually given a large amount of a substance over a short period, while people are usually exposed to small amounts over a long period.

stress imposed by animal handling, food or water deprivation, and restraint have been shown to affect test results.

animals learn and show intelligence differently from humans, and animal studies usually cannot detect a substance’s potential for causing learning or behavioral problems in babies.

But then...hey, next time you're down...let us know. A kick in the balls goes a long fucking way, huh?

[bicentennial_baby]

27. Thank you...

Fuck the March of Crimes... x(

[jpgray]

33. So it -is- relative? There are times and places wherein it's tacky to provide this information?

Then I think I made my point, even though it made me sick to my stomach to do so.

[flvegan]

46. Is it relative

to also point out that Humana (or whomever) paid for some of it? Big PHARMA, SiCKO and all? SOMEONE is a bad, bad librul.

It's bullshit to go after your own like that.

We could all go after environmentalists for using computers and electricity. Why don't you have at it?

I'd like to see a spelling out of what your "point" is/was. I'll bet we agree at that crossroad.

[slj0101]

28. How could you?

You bastard.

No sarcasm. No smilie. Not for you.

[yewberry]

44. Whatwhatwhat? Animal testing on FDA-approved drugs?

Next you'll be telling me that I can't eat Jell-O or ranch dressing!


Uh, yeah, I'm pretty sure that LM knows about the animal testing.

[flvegan]

19. "vicodin" was tested and perfected via animal testing

You might just as well have killed Kenny.

You bastard.

[LeftyMom]

20. Would this be a bad time to tell you about the veal stock in the soup?

Actually, I did wind up eating some tortilla chips with whey of all fucking things in them a few weeks ago. My coworker (the one you said was hot,) who's sorta a vegan newb bought them and didn't check.

Much gastrointestinal unhappiness followed.

[flvegan]

25. You're out.

As I just told your "friend" upthread, if you're less than 99.4% pure, you're shit to us all.

If I need a "sarcasm" smilie, you're not paying attention.

[LeftyMom]

29. Oh, I thought you really were kicking me out of the club.

:rofl:

[flvegan]

31. Nah, we don't eat our own.

Not only is it not veg* it's a dumbass, stupid assclown thing to do. Hopefully, others will learn, in time.

[LeftyMom]

36. Oh, did I need to add the sarcasm thingy?

Yeah, I kinda knew that you weren't going to get all Vegan Police: Level Five Squad on me.

The funny thing is, I went so far as to have my dentist double check the ingredients on my sutures. (Synthetic, natch.) So it's kinda weird to have somebody give me shit when I kinda went above and beyond the call anyhow.

[flvegan]

48. No, but what I said needed to be said.

We don't eat our own.

The biggest lesson I've learned as an AR activist, running a rescue, running an organization, knowing folks like...well, who cares, is that we can disagree in private, but never, EVER shit down each others necks in front of anyone.

Our D party could learn a lot from our little faction.

[LeftyMom]

49. I keep trying to make that point to

well, to certain people.

[flvegan]

53. I learned this at a g'hound protest.

The "vegans" that wouldn't participate because the grey folks might wear leather, or go eat McNuggets afterwards.

Motherfucker, please. Let me know how the dogs feel.

Wayne walked out on Rod, but I shook his hand and testified next to him. Rod thanked me, Wayne praised me as a monster.

See...all interconnected. Deep down, we don't shit on each other. Deep down, we get it.

[Robeson]

21. Soup is real food!....

...hope you feel better soon...:-)

[LeftyMom]

22. Did you mean to earworm me?

The Dead Kennedys are now doing "Soup is Good Food" on Radio LMommy's Brain.

Which does make me feel a little better. :)

[wildhorses]

32. feel better soon

:hug:

[LaraMN]

34. Owwww!

What did you have done? I have to have a wisdom tooth pulled in a couple weeks, and I'm dreading it. I've never even had novacaine. I hope you found some palatable soup!

[LeftyMom]

42. I had one wisdom tooth out. The other three are going to have to wait for my insurance to kick in.

But this one was hurting me and making my mouth swell (a huge problem since I spend most of my workday on the phone) so it had to come out soonest.

My oral surgeon is a frikkin genius. He had my tooth out so fast I thought he was still doing prep work, and had me stitched up and was giving me my aftercare instructions in less than five minutes. The others are going to take longer because they aren't fully emerged.

[flamingyouth]

38. Hope you feel better.

Anesthesia can do that to people. After the soup, maybe you can work up to mashed potatoes. Take care.

[SeattleGirl]

40. My sympathies.

Can't tell you how many times over the years I've had dental work done that left me with the ability to eat only soup, jello, that kind of stuff.

[Whoa_Nelly]

43. Poor you!

:hug:

Comfort food you can "eat"

Mashed potatoes w/butter and/or gravy

Ice cream shake

Smoothies

Pureed mac 'n' cheese

I know it's not much, but until you can eat regular food, there are some choices :hug:

Heal quickly!

[LeftyMom]

45. I could do dairyless versions of all of those, if I werent' f'd up on pain pills

Honestly, I don't think I could stand up that long in the kitchen ATM without falling over. I'm a bit woozy and I'm lying down. I dumped some split pea soup in a can and microwaved it. I might get my sister to go get something later, because I'm definitely not fit to drive.

[Whoa_Nelly]

50. Oops! Forgot to add...

you are supposed to be waited on hand and foot right now!
Definitely someone should be taking care of you and preparing you anything you want for your comfort.
And someone should be watching over you/keeping check on you for the next 24 hours at the very least.

Mega (gentle) :hug: :hug::hug:

[Taverner]

47. My sympathies

Get well soon LM :hug:

[LeftyMom]

51. Thank you!

I should be right as rain in a day or three.

[Breeze54]

56. We'll keep the light on... now go to bed!!

Go get some rest. You've earned it and we'll keep the light on.

You need to go to bed!!! :hug:

[u4ic]

54. I hope you feel better soon

:pals:

It's been about 20 years since I had mine out. Did it all at once, and am glad it's over. Was pretty badly bruised for a couple of weeks, but apparently it's not common to be bruised for that long. Here's hoping you're not.

[Flaxbee]

55. oh, I'm sorry. You have my sympathies.

One of my sisters is also super-sensitive to anesthesia/pain meds, I know she was really uncomfortable for a day or two.

I hope you feel better soon!

[BreweryYardRat]

57. Yeesh. Just went through that last year. It sucks.

I was picking bits of unidentifiable stinking flesh out of the holes for two days afterwards.

Since you didn't get one of those squirter/syringe things to irrigate your gums, would you like one? ;)

Also, my dentist recommended I drink lots of iced tea -- said it keeps the swelling down, and it does.