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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 11:37 AM Original message |
Harry Potter and the Death of Reading |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
1. i read this too |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
2. If that was true, how do you explain the film version of THE DA VINCI CODE? |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. How do I explain what about it? |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Point taken, but it's still a start... |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. You, my friend, are an optimist |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Exactly. Unless your reading something the snobs deem "High Brow" |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Interesting perspective |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. My cousins have devoured every Potter book. |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. It will be interesting to see the statistics on book sales |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #20 |
72. Recent SF Chronicle story on fed study says that Potter isn't making a difference |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Thanks for posting that |
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badgerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
101. Anybody remember the XANTH series? Piers Anthony? |
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Maine-ah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
3. people need to stop over analyzing this shit. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. it matters when people go beyond enjoyment |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. It matters when people practically turn it into a religion |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
7. I've read both the Harry Potter books and Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I don't get this business of not allowing anyone else to have an opinion on it |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I don't see how you weren't allowed to have an opinion on it. |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. You nailed why I thought that article was lame Pithlet. |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. I'm not sure where this idea that books need to be highbrow comes from |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Who was vehement and shrill? |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Interesting that you took that remark so personally then |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. I also enjoyed the LOTR series |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
63. Small World, skygazer |
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Zomby Woof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I didn't appreciate Austen until... |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
90. I think that people are passionate about Austen |
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LibraLiz1973 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Sky, have you read the books? |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I'm not "against them in general" |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. who is not allowing anyone else to have an opinion on it? |
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yellowdogintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. Key Word: Subjective. says it all |
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fudge stripe cookays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
82. And this is why I adore you! |
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yellowdogintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #82 |
93. Yes, we do! and thankyou! nt |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
21. the death of reading is nothing new, nor is it new for critics to disparage the public for liking |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Which is a very sensible analysis |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. fair enough |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
25. Harry Potter is a great way for kids to start reading, but I think there is a larger issue at hand |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Very thoughtful analysis |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. btw, have you read "His Dark Materials"? |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I have not |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Seriously, I can't recommend it enough |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Sounds wonderful |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
26. Read or see "Order of the Phoenix" with an eye to the Bush cabal |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. again, this isn't about "inferior/superior" and personal tastes |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Sorry--I edited that out and got a phone call in the meantime. |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. totally. And that's why HP is a positive for kids. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
47. and there is nothing wrong with children reading. |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 12:58 AM Response to Reply #47 |
66. Why shouldn't people be emotionally upset at spoilers? |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
31. Is reading a means to an end or an end in and of itself? |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. You put that better than I could |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. I haven't read a lot of fiction |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 05:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
98. That's a very different way of looking at things than I do. |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
40. Balderdash! I am an avid reader and always have been. Reading is not |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
42. ummm -- i'm of the school of thought that reading was problem for americans before harry potter EVER |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
43. I just finished reading The Half Blood Prince |
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Ediacara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
44. I admit, I tend not to read a lot of novels |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
45. Well, as an avid reader myself |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Again, this misses the point entirely |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. People aren't reading anything but Harry Potter. |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 06:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. I'm not making up numbers |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. It's not personal. |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 07:31 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. It gets tiresome saying the same thing over and over |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Speaking of projection... |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #61 |
69. I never said books that aren't popular are somehow better |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
46. Most people read what are essentially children's books now anyway. |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
50. Since you seem to like criticizing things, here's a question: |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 06:17 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. What makes you say that I seem to like criticizing things? |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Some people don't like to read much. Other people do. |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
54. Hi Skygazer, OK-there are a number of people |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Thanks for not yelling at me |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 07:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. You're welcome! |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
59. due respect, skygazer, but I think your position has shifted over the course of this thread |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #59 |
71. I do think the books are literary crap |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. I didn't mean that your position on the books themselves had changed |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Like this one? |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. yeah, that one, which suggests thier tastes are childish |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Well, I'm not sure where you get the idea I was surprised |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. I didn't say you were surprised |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
60. I hear you, skygazer |
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BreweryYardRat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
62. What simpering idiot with pretensions of literacy wrote this? |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-21-07 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
65. Fantasy is my favorite genre. |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 05:56 AM Response to Original message |
67. A Modest Proposal. |
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FloridaJudy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 06:21 AM Response to Original message |
68. I love Potter - and Strange, and the Dark Materials |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
70. The perfect is the enemy of the good. |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
76. I blame television for the death of reading. |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. I think television absolutely has a lot to do with it |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #76 |
85. Although there are a handful of TV shows as engaging as a great novel. |
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KiraBS (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
80. No snobbery here then... |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. What Kira said! |
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KiraBS (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Thank you |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 08:07 PM Response to Reply #87 |
103. Your analysis is a good one |
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Der Blaue Engel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
81. I think some people simply can't stand others enjoying something they don't get |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
86. I really don't see how Harry Potter is causing the death of reading. |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #86 |
95. I don't think anyone is saying the Potter books are the cause |
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UncleSepp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
88. Maybe it's something very different |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. I think that's a really big factor too! |
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UncleSepp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Most of the books I read, I borrow from friends |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. That too! |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
89. yeah, Pullman does kind of leave her in the dust in some ways.. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
91. Much the same thing was said about Shakespeare, Edgar Poe, and Mark Twain. |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. Actually something very different was said about all of them |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 07:25 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. Yeah, but it's a little strange to say that |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
94. People read to be entertained, and it looks like it worked with the Potter books |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-22-07 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
100. I read nearly everything but I have not read Harry Potter |
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