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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:09 PM
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I just told off a hospital debt collectroll, and I feel GREAT!
My local hospital system loves to portray itself as the "perfect friendly neighborhood hospital" where "excellent care and service to our friends and neighbors" is their main goal toward which they strive, etc., etc., blahblahblahblah, the usual bullshit.

At the same time, they are planning to move from the center of the downtown of my community to a swankier, more upscale location several miles away from where they are now, and out of the city area, which will make it that much harder than it already is for the elderly and poorer residents to receive the care they desperately need, at the only place where they're really able to get it around here.

This despite the fact that the city has offered some prime sites very near where they are currently located with some major tax rebates and the usual incentive package. They blindsided the city with the announcement of their move, and wouldn't even talk to them about it despite the city management's attempts to do so. This will now cost the city millions in lost property and payroll taxes, not to mention causing a drastic drop in business for the restaurants and other businesses around the hospital that depend on business from the hospital's employees to stay afloat. And the school system and city are already struggling mightily right now. But do they give a damn? HELL NO!

Do they care that they're pulling the rug out from under the elderly and poor residents who depend on it for their care and who would have great trouble getting to the newer location? Do they care about the terrible economic blow it will be to the very area they depend on for patients and profits? HELL NO!

It is also considered really ruthless and aggressive when it comes to collections, especially in regards to the uninsured and those without much money. It doesn't think twice about suing desperate people who don't have the full amount all at once (which may be in the thousands), slapping liens on their houses or what little property they own, if any, seizing bank accounts and garnishing wages, never mind that most of the people can ill afford that to begin with. If they could, would they be uninsured?

I have been on the receiving end of their incredibly ruthless collection agency, which I have had to advise in writing not to contact me either at home or work for EVERY FUCKING ACCOUNT that gets placed with them.

They made the mistake of continuing to call me at work once after I told them not to on a particular account. I'm a paralegal and office manager for a solo attorney, who knows I don't make nearly as much money as I should because he can't afford to pay me that much, who was none too pleased to hear that and proceeded to place a call to the agency's manager and rip him a new one right on the phone, lol!

And I have insurance, so I can only imagine how it must be for those who don't because fortunately when I was out of work and had no money and no insurance I didn't require their services. If I had, I'm sure I'd owe them my life for the next ten fucking years. That's because the uninsured are charged more than ten times what the insured are charged, and the hospitals are the most ruthless with them, thinking nothing of taking whatever little they may have. Anyway, even though I have insurance, whenever I've had to go there, either to the emergency room or when I had my hysterectomy there last year, there's always several hundred dollars insurance didn't pay and they come after me for it like flies to an open wound. They usually want it all at once, and when I didn't have it, which was always, they or their goddamn scrooge collection agency would demand more than half of it in order to make any payment arrangements.

Each time I have to deal with that agency on another account, I give them written notice not to contact me by phone at work or home. So last March I went to the emergency room for what turned out to be pneumonia, for which I was off work for about two weeks. The bill for being there for THREE HOURS was, get this, TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS! Shit, I could have taken a fucking vacation for that amount. So, anyway, insurance paid all but about five hundred of it, and naturally they wanted the entire amount at once, which I didn't have.

So I get this call today from the hospital's collection department. I asked what had happened to their wonderful, friendly neighborhood collection agency. They said, get this (and I'm still laughing) that the agency didn't want to deal with me anymore because I was "too much trouble" and so they were leaving it up to the hospital's collection department, LOL! I LOVE IT! Apparently, the agency was used to dealing with people who didn't know the details of the Fair Debt Collection Act like I did, and who stood up for themselves in actually demanding that the agency follow the letter of the law and who would not permit the agency to contact me by phone.

In my last letter to the agency, I had advised them that I had no intention of paying the five hundred bucks because they'd already been paid enough for a three-hour visit (and they didn't even diagnose it right, it was only the next morning that the hospital called and said that other doctors who'd seen my x-rays and records said it was pneumonia and not pleurisy like the idiot emergency doctor had said it was, which meant I should have been put on antibiotics immediately and not fourteen hours later!), I was tired of their overcharging and greed, and because of their move and the way they were handling it, and their total arrogant dismissal of the horrible economic effects of their selfish actions. I said that if they wanted to put it on my credit, which they always enjoyed threatening to do, they could go right the hell ahead and do so. I'd already managed to get a car loan the previous month from a company that dealt with people with not-so-great credit and who flat out told me they didn't care about medical debt. I wasn't planning on applying for any other credit anytime before the next two years, either.

THAT was when they turned me back over to the hospital and said they wouldn't deal with me anymore, lol! So anyway, the hospital calls me a few hours ago about it, and I tell them the same thing. She starts to yap and snap at me, so I told her off and hung up the fucking phone on her! I'm furious at the hospital for all the above reasons, but then I turn on the TV just now to see the beginning of their advertisement campaign to spin their move and arrogant handling of it to their best advantage, using the hospital's most well-known doctors as spokespeople. Now, I'm fully aware of just how much ads like that cost, and I just saw them in my local newspaper as well, and my blood is boiling.

Here they're about to destroy the economy of the main city in the county, pull the rug out from those who need their care the most, and are ruthlessly going after those who can't afford to pay all at once, hiring one of the most ruthless, aggressive collection agencies, suing people left and right, putting liens on their property, garnishing what little wages they have, seizing what little bank accounts they have, etc., etc., and not giving a shit. And now they have this big-ass ad campaign that has to be costing hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not more. So I let the bitch from the hospital collection department have it, and I had a great time doing it, too. They're not getting one more fucking dime out of me! I can't wait to tell this to the next meeting of my state's single-payer group, either! WHOO-HOOO, Can I kick ass or what????????
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:15 PM
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1. You deserve to feel great...
...because you ARE great! And March 19th can't get here soon enough for me! :loveya:
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:22 PM
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3. Hi Dean!
And believe me, it can't come fast enough for me either, and I was just thinking about you today, too!:loveya:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:16 PM
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2. Write down everything that was said on both sides
while it's fresh in your mind. If you can in the future record the conversations. It's legal as long as you tell them and it takes the wind of their sails. All I can say is your battle is a noble and just one. Make sure though that you document every piece of paper and every verbal exchange with them with witnesses if possible.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:23 PM
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4. I have, indeed, done just
that; as a paralegal, that's one of the first things that's drilled into us, to document everything!
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:35 PM
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6. You document EVERYTHING?!

And I'm spending a weekend with you in a motel room? I'm gonna need to behave myself, then!
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:41 PM
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7. LOL!
Don't worry, Dean, I didn't mean I documented personal things like THAT! Besides, I don't WANT you to behave yourself!
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:09 PM
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21. Don't worry we'll buy the book.
or the movie :)
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. LOL!
We will NOT, however, be posting any pictures on DU, sorry!
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:48 PM
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25. Damm..
Edited on Sat Jan-24-04 10:48 PM by camero
And I thought we were gonna have some entertainment...lol

:P
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:02 PM
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32. That's okay, we'll
be sure to invite you and other DUers to the wedding! (KIDDING DEAN, JUST KIDDING, don't have a heart attack, lol!)
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:09 PM
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35. He's gonna need one of these
:beer: :P
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #35
48. Nah, I'll be gentle
with him, promise!
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:00 AM
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56. In that case, forget it!

What am I gonna do with this ball-gag if you're planning to be gentle???
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:03 AM
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58. The ball-gag train...film at 11.
:silly:
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #56
60. Okay, then, I definitely
promise NOT to be gentle, lol! But DU still ain't gettin' any pictures!
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:08 PM
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20. I'm a nurse
..without health insurance and the last time I went to an ER, I was shocked by the bill they sent. They did everything they could to pad that bill, and I mean over and above charging the three to five times what an insurance company would pay for the same stuff. They charged for phantom services, unbundled labs and charged them separately, and "upcoded" the level of care I received. After multiple letters over 3 months, they sent it to collection. I wrote the collection company detailing the extent of the fraud and suggested they send the thing back to the hospital. I then Xeroxed all my documents and filed a formal charge with the state attorney general. The AG's office agreed it was a clear case of billing fraud and started their own letter writing.

Needless to say, that got their attention. That bill got reduced by 5/6.

If you think there was an error, FIGHT IT. One of your allies might be that nurse down the block who could help you interpret it, check it for fraud. It's bad enough being uninsured and overcharged for the services you needed, but adding insult to injury by FRAUD should be something everybody should fight tooth and nail.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:01 PM
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31. Good for you for sticking
up for yourself, most people don't realize just how much hospital bills are so ridiculously padded to squeeze as much blood from the stone as they can. I'm surprised the insurance companies aren't screaming about it.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:34 PM
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5. Nice job!
And people I know are scared to death that medicine is going to be "socialized". They ought to be scared they are going to lose their medical insurance and are going to have to go through the same crap you've been through. And hospitals, believe it or not, don't always have the best medical insurance coverage.

Glad you got them!
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:41 PM
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8. I had a similar situation with no insurance.
Edited on Sat Jan-24-04 09:42 PM by camero
They took me to small claims court for a $3K overnight stay. I was prepared to show overcharges ($32 for a pack of hearing aid batteries that cost $5 in a pharmacy) and the fact that they couldn't collect a debt if they had already written it off on their taxes.

I'm no lawyer but I couldn't afford one (who can) and I was prepared to pay the piper so to speak. But alas, they did not show up for a court date that they themselves filed for and the case was thrown out before I could argue it. Lucky me.

Keep fighting them and put on your answering machine that all conversations are recorded so it is legal. Way to go.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:47 PM
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10. They didn't show up for the court
date? LOL! Now THAT'S what we need more of! It wouldn't be so bad if hospitals and doctors were willing to negotiate payment arrangements like they used to, but nowadays they want it ALL, AND NOW! They don't want to deal with payment arrangements, anymore, they'd rather screw people and make themselves look like the Scrooge pieces of shit that they are.

This is one of the many reasons I desperately wish I could afford the time and money it would take to go to law school, so that I could help people in these situations and kick some serious medical creditor ass!
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:54 PM
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11. The judge had 20 health care cases
On the docket that day. She looks at one hospital attorney and says, "Not another health care case". I was kinda hoping I could argue it to expose them but it didn't turn out that way. I hadn't even studied up on the FDCA but I knew some creditors had gotten busted on those things.

That's what I don't really like about the capitalist system. It rewards ruthlessness and health care has no place in the profit system.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:56 PM
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13. No, it certainly doesn't, and
those who have no problem with "for-profit" medicine never fail to amaze and disgust me. And most courts, frankly, don't like health care collection cases because they know just how unfair such suits are and how they hurt people who can least afford to be hurt.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:02 PM
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16. It disgusts me too
People shouldn't have to die because they can't afford to get sick.
Those people are under the illusion that they will never get sick and they'll die in their sleep.

Wrong. If the pollution doesn't get you or the radiation, something else will. Everybody gets sick. Noone is spared.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:46 PM
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9. Good for you!
I hope I live to see the day when this country has socialized medicine. We can demand it if only the morons wweren't swayed by corporate interests who'd actively campaign against it. More people in medicine need to be vocal about this issue.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:54 PM
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12. I wish they would be more vocal,
but a lot of them are too dependent on their corporate employers. And, frankly, many of them seem to only care about money anymore and tend to look at people without money or insurance as less worthy than those who do.

What we have to do is convince the average person who's dealt with this shit from the health care system (or, should I say "wealthcare" system) that a nationalized, single-payer, guaranteed system would NOT be "socialist", that it would cost a lot less than the mess of a system we have now. We have to get them to see, as another DUer recently said, that such a system would be beneficial infrastructure that would benefit everyone and be good for the economy.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:58 PM
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14. We do our part
My husband's in the medical field and I'm going to nursing school. You have to watch yourselves, but I know both of us have gotten other people thinking differently many times. There's many people out there in medicine that don't know what it's like to be poor, or on Medicaid, or without insurance and are judgmental, but when you make them see how easy it is for any of us to get into such a situation, they usually change their tune (if they have a half a brain that is).
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 09:58 PM
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15. this just doesn't seem right
$2000 for a three hour stay!

I was admitted for 3 Days and it only cost a little over $3000..

Robbery...that is what i call it...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:03 PM
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17. it seems they hire
the most unpleasant people money will buy, i think some of these people are om commission. one thing i`ve learned is to say "bankruptcy" that really gets them. yes they are bottom feeders.
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:54 PM
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26. Commission
They are on commission...I just wish people would not take those jobs! How can they do it...true lizards and bottom feeders.
Sociopaths..
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:08 PM
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34. Most collectors
Edited on Sat Jan-24-04 11:10 PM by liberalhistorian
are paid a basic salary with benefits (isn't that nice, they have benefits while those they harass usually don't), but they're also paid a commission on each debt they're able to collect.

The collection agency itself receives a percentage of whatever they collect, and the collector who was responsible for the account then gets his or her blood mon--er, commission, from that percentage. That's why most agencies are so fucking ruthless and harassing and persistent, because they only make money when they squeeze money out of people.

These people need to be always reminded that they have a job because others don't and that they prey off of and make their money off of the misery and misfortune of others. And the job security of the collections "profession" is incredible, especially when the economy sucks. The worse the economy is, the more openings there are.

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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:06 PM
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18. The health care industry is
a business. It is all about profit. The health and care of the patient means didily squat. A person very close to me is a physician and I have been hearing for years that only a small percentage of doctors really care about their patients. Many see the patient as a revenue source. As far as the hospitals are concerned, your value is determined by the extent of the coverage on your insurance policy. It is truly a disgusting situation.


P.S. If you know someone in health care, go over your bill with them. There are probably a lot of overcharges that you might be able to get removed. Hospital bills are notoriously padded.
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:11 PM
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22. My father had a stroke in 1996 and was in the hospital for three days.

The total bill was more than $8,000! What I remember the most vividly was the hospital charging $1 apiece for aspirin tablets.

Fucking vampires....
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:29 PM
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23. I hear you, my father
also suffered a stroke. It was in 1992 and he was in the hospital for three days before he died. The bill was $15,000 after insurance. My mother now says he would die all over again if he had ever seen that bill. $12.00 for a toothbrush. We still wonder how he brushed his teeth in a coma.
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jonoboy Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:07 PM
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19. they used to ring my friend in NY while he still had cancer !!
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:55 PM
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27. I know, my uncle has cancer
and, even though he has insurance, the treatment is horrendously expensive and insurance doesn't cover everything.

Consequently, he and my aunt are constantly fighting off the fucking heartless ice-for-blood debt collectrolls who don't care that he may be too sick to talk from throwing up all night from the chemotherapy and that his wife may have other things on her mind, like taking care of him, and doesn't need to deal with their inhuman bullshit.

They're very insistent and persistent, too, and they're like the whack-a-mole game. No sooner does she tell one in writing not to contact them by phone anymore (and they must comply, by law), than another one springs up, which is exhausting for them. And I have many other similar stories from family and friends, as well. SICKENING! Such bullshit should not even be legally allowed.
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:59 PM
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30. How horrible...this country!
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #19
73. They did the very same to my brother.
They called constantly while he was dying of leukemia. The day he died, I told the collector that he could not come to phone as he had just died. My, that shut him up in a hurry, the poor devil.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:17 PM
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75. Now that just makes me physicall ill!
How the hell these fuckers can live with themselves, or can even get up in the morning knowing how they're going to be spending the day earning their living, and still consider themselves human beings, is totally beyond my comprehension.

One of them told me once (trying to collect hospital money from a car accident I was in, the portion my insurance company wouldn't pay) that she was "just doing my job and I don't need this hassle from you." A friend of mine dealing with terminal cancer was being harassed by these vampire fuckers, too, at that time, and I just lost it. I told her that, "yeah, that's what Goebbels and Eichmann and company said. And you have some fucking nerve complaining about not needing any hassle from me, because we don't need this shit from you and your esteemed colleagues in your shit "profession" either. Then I slammed the phone down and had a good time imagining her expression, lol!
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:57 PM
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28. Fair Debt Collection act and you Rock!
Could you tell us more about that...
I think plenty of people would like to know about it.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #28
38. Basically, it
outlines what collectors can and cannot legally do. For instance, if you notify them in writing that they are not to contact you by telephone at either your home or place of employment (a favorite tactic of theirs is to harass you at your workplace and they usually have the number because your doctor or hospital has it and gives it to them), they cannot legally contact you by phone anymore.

But be aware that that only applies to the particular account they're contacting you about. If the doctor or hospital refers another account of yours to them, they can still contact you by phone about that until you notify them in writing that they can't do so. Other provisions include your right to request a written verification of the debt within thirty days, which they must then verify within thirty days (a good stalling tactic you can use, btw, since they generally wait for the thirty days before continuing to harass you, so you can buy yourself some needed time); the fact that they cannot continue to contact you by phone if you've made payment arrangements and are complying with them; they can only contact you a certain number of times within a certain time period, etc.

Techno-dummy that I am, I don't know how to link to the text itself but I'll try to figure out how to do so if you need it.
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:36 PM
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42. Thanks !
I'm no techy at all. Now that I know the name I can look it up.
I do believe Bill Collectors are Sociopaths...I'd never do it.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 10:58 PM
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29. Our local "nonprofit" hospital
recently paid cash for a $30,000,000 addition, then decided to add more on before that was finished, still paying cash.

How'd they do it? Well, at a guess, I'd say by overcharging. My insurance company paid a generous amount of the hospital bill for my husband (the $2,500 deductible had already been met), but there was still an $8,000 bill left. The insurance company said the charges were excessive. So I went to the hospital and asked for a printout of the charges that the insurance wouldn't cover. They were mostly pharmaceuticals.

The hospital rep said that if I gave them $1,000 cash, they would drop the rest of the charges.

During the eighties, I worked in a pharmacy and still have contacts with two pharmacists. I took the printout to one of them and asked if I shoud take the deal.

The pharmacist laughed and said without a doubt I should take the deal because there was no way in Hades that the insurance company was going to pay those charges. He then proceded to tell me just how much we were overcharged. For one drug, he told me that he could supply me with 2,000 tablets for what they charged for two.

I took the deal, but I still feel sour over it. Those funds were supposed to go for much needed maintenance on my house.

The bastards.
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:03 PM
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33. We should refer all collections to the White House Telephone
I think if George wants his buddies to have all the money in Healthcare.
He should be responsible for our unpaid bills. Next time the collectors call give the the new number and address of the White house. Tell them these people will now be handling your bills and give them the forwarding address. Tell them to ask for George or Dick.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #33
36. Better yet
Send the bill to Tommy. His department. :)
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. Yes!
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #36
40. LOL!
I'll vote for that one! And maybe the people who have to file bankruptcy to avoid losing their homes because the hospital is forcing them into foreclosure, and who are going to get screwed because congress, in its infinite compassion and wisdom, wants to tighten the bankruptcy laws, should do the same!
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. Maybe they'll get the gumption
Edited on Sat Jan-24-04 11:31 PM by camero
To start a national health program when Health and Human Services gets a truckload of hospital bills dumped at their door.
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. We Should Organize this ---it would work and get their attention
Edited on Sat Jan-24-04 11:56 PM by loftycity
I think we should do this..Start it moving. Post it as a new group to join. You would have a million people fast!
From the bills to the rejection letters...
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #43
46. It is a good idea now that I think of it.
Or Congress. You think how many trucks they would fill it would definitely raise some eyebrows.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #46
52. I agree, what a great
idea! Everyone who's getting sued by a hospital or doctor, especially if they're uninsured, and everyone who's being forced into bankruptcy by a hospital or doctor due to a serious illness, should do that.

Maybe that will finally wake up a do-nothing, care-nothing congress, whose members have the best coverage possible, they NEVER have to worry about any coverage at all for themselves or their families. It's time they were given a wake-up call, time they were made aware of what it's like for those of us in the real world, for those of us who pay their fucking salaries and pay for their health care coverage, coverage they themselves can't get! Let's organize it, and LET'S DO IT!
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:54 PM
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53. It's a great idea! Be the next Move on.org Any Web masters here!
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:23 PM
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39. The Average Hospital
out there is NOT making a lot of money. They charge $1 for aspirin so they can recoup for the care they provide that insurance companies don't begin to cover the cost of.

I'm not in favor of sending collection agencies after sick people, I've had it happen to me. But the hospital is just as much a victim of the health care mess as the patient. They are having a hard time making ends meet.
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #39
44. It is the Insurance companies....that made all this crap
Edited on Sat Jan-24-04 11:43 PM by loftycity
Plenty of hospitals are owned by Insurance Companies. Others that not part of the network cannot compete for lower costs.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. The greedy
insurance companies are one of the main reasons we're in this mess in the first place, and many doctors fed up with them will tell you the same thing if they're really honest.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #39
45. Pardon me, but
Edited on Sat Jan-24-04 11:47 PM by liberalhistorian
BULLSHIT! One of my local hospitals just spent millions to construct a new addition for "upscale, luxury" treatment, and most pay their CEO's and management astronomical salaries. Another just broke ground for its twenty-million-dollar expansion. And a hospital that puts a lien on an uninsured person's house then forces them into foreclosure, even if they or a family member has cancer, or one that takes any assets a person has, regardless of whether or not they're left with anything at all, or one that puts a person in jail because they're uninsured and couldn't pay the ridiculously padded bill all at once (usually several thousand dollars) using the remedy of "body attachment" and refuses to consider payment arrangements, or one that hires ruthless and aggressive collectors who think nothing of putting people in jail, taking their homes and assets, and making their life hell because they or a family member had the gall to get sick when they didn't have insurance or couldn't cover what their insurance wouldn't pay, ain't gonna get much sympathy from me.

And why the fuck should medicine be for-profit, anyway? Why should profit be the main concern of a hospital when it's there to serve the sick and seriously-ill? We are the ONLY industrialized country where that's the case, where profit is the main concern of the health care system (let's be honest, here, it really should be called "wealth care", as another DUer recently said), and that's inexcusable and unacceptable.

NO hospital should be in the business, and primarily concerned with, profit and making money.
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #45
49. Good Story
I lived in a Carriage House in back of some big huge home a few years ago.
Of course I was with United Health Care ..creeps..you know the same old crap with the bills that could paper a acre wide pinata.
Anyways the orignal owner sold and the new moved in.
Guess who...he was the Vp of United Health Care....
and to top it off...all the mail ..for me and them would go into their mailbox..
Guess what ...all my bills just stopped and that was it.
I moved out ..so I never had to meet them...I probably would of displeased them ...oh so very much!!
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #49
54. LOL!
I'll bet the bills did, indeed, stop!
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #54
57. We should do this--Post and get people to sign up-Hey Camero
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 12:03 AM by loftycity
People can't wait till congress gets around to doing something about this horrible problem.
I think truck loads of Bills to Congress is the way to go..what an attention getter. It would be dozens of eighteen wheelers to haul it all and pulling up in front of Congress.
Yes! Camero's got good ideas!!!
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:05 AM
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59. Let's see.. How would we go about this?
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 12:57 AM by camero
Maybe one of the National Health care lobbying groups would help?
Or MoveOn.org? Or our own website?
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #59
62. I know we can figure this one out
Maybe start a post from here and look for a web person who wants to put it together. Find a Congress person...probably Dennis Kucinich.. Get his office involved to find a way to get the bills and paperwork to congress. We have to get the people to send off their bills.
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #62
64.  Hope we all can meet again
It was good to talk with you both Camero and liberal Historian.
I'll figure out a way. Have to go to sleep...
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #64
70. I have to think too.
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 12:40 AM by camero
We'll find a way. The Kuch idea is a good one. Also maybe our local issue boards can help. And posting around all the liberal sites or Malloy's radio show can get the word out.

Good night. and thanks.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #62
76. I have an idea.
The congressman for my adjoining district, Sherrod Brown, is very big on this issue, and is one of the few congressmen who has refused to be covered by the congressional health insurance program until ALL Americans are covered by it as well.

He also busses seniors in his district across the border to Canada to buy prescription drugs at a much cheaper rate, and has always done his damnednest to fight the greedy bullshit of the drug companies and is right on top of this phony malpractice "crisis", calling it for the bullshit that it is. I could contact his office and ask for guidance and suggestions. I'll do that first thing tomorrow and then get back to all of you with the results. Let's organize it and LET'S DO IT!
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #76
78. Great Idea...thanks
I was going to start a thread on it in GD and get some opinions and ideas when I get back from the store. Maybe this will be the thing to wake people up.

I hope so because there is too much suffering going on because of this system.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #59
63. We should each look into
it, and I'll check with some of the people at the health care justice group I go to as well. And maybe we should start by getting the word out here, and I'm sure there are plenty of DUers who would not only agree with it but who would know how to help and who would want to help. That is, indeed, a fantastic idea, Camero, and I really think we could get it rolling! And you could lead the way in the first truck, lol!
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #63
69. I could get in the old rig again
That would make my day. :)
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #57
61. Oh i don't know
I ain't all that :blush:
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #39
50. I disagree. Hospitals are for profit organizations.
No matter how they are incorporated hospitals are "for profit" organizations. Even if the IRS says they are "non-profit" they are making money. I realize I'm making a sweeping assertion here, but it is something I DO know a bit about. I spent the better part of a year on this subject professionally.

Most local hospitals are subsidized by a waiver (or exemption) from Property Taxes. The idea behind this is they provide a "benefit" to the local community they reside in. In reality, many offer little to no charity care, nor do they offer the information they even HAVE any kind of programs for low income patients.

In return for this property tax exemption, the hospitals save a large amount of money while they sue poor people for health care bills they can't afford. The collection tactics they use are absolutely revolting, and they become more aggressive every year.

Locally, they use what they call a Body Attachment--they have you arrested--if you miss a payment. What makes this all so incredibly disgusting is that most people who do get sued in collections are not able to afford an attorney. They walk into a court room, with no attorney, and they face a situation that bears no real resemblance to justice. They get roped into a payment arrangement that they have no chance of keeping, and then they get arrested if they don't keep up.

This is subsidized by every person who pays property taxes in your area!!

The hospitals cry poor and wail about a lack of profits, but then they have the gall to ask for community support simply because they are located there.

The hospitals CAN be turned around. Local taxing bodies CAN make a difference. I know first hand.

Lucette Lagnado from the Wall Street Journal did an excellent article on hospital collection practices, and I suggest that every taxpayer should read this:

http://www.democrats.com/view2.cfm?id=17443

And before anyone asks, I am quoted in this article.

Laura

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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #50
66. Wow, thanks for the post
and the link! I've long wanted to go to law school so I could help people in these situations, and my boss is encouraging me to do so. The problems, as a woefully underpaid single parent, would be time and money. If I could figure it out, I would indeed be able to help people up against such ruthlessness and heartlessness. I can help them somewhat now, but, since I'm a paralegal and not an attorney, there's only so much I can do.
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brokensymmetry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:51 PM
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51. Good for you!
That is flat-out inspirational!

One question though...why not file a small claims court suit against them for malpractice? You could do the documents yourself, and they'd have to hire high-dollar lawyers to defend themselves.

And, of course, then you could send some interrogatories to the hospital...which costs them even more... :-)
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 11:59 PM
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55. That's a thought
and I could, indeed, do everything myself considering I'm a paralegal. I'm not sure I'd have much of a case, though, since they did end up diagnosing it correctly the next morning and the hospital could say there was no real, lasting damage, which is true. I'll keep that in mind, though!
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brokensymmetry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:42 AM
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71. True...
You probably wouldn't have much of a case. But the sheer nuisance value of the preliminaries...i.e, the interrogatories...is priceless. If they provide good, detailed responses (expensive) you could, as the reasonable person you are, drop the suit.

Now take that $2,000 bill they dropped on you. They can prove up that they provided every item and service on that bill, can't they? (Evil grin). Oh, and the prices will be the same for everyone, won't they? Surely they wouldn't charge one class of patient one price, and a different class of patient another price, would they? And if they did...even if it weren't actionable...gosh, wouldn't it be just awful if their sworn responses got to the local media? If insured patients are charged more, the insurance companies will scream. But if uninsured patients are charged more, a media disaster could occur. What a pity for that to hit during their ad campaign!

An asymmetric attack, you see...because they can't afford not to defend themselves...and you can file suits that are just legitimate enough to avoid being thrown out.

Nope, I'm not an attorney. But I can be irritating!
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #71
74. LOL!
Good points! And part of any good attorney's job is to be irritating as hell to the other side, while pretending not to be.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:21 AM
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65. The idea of not having socialized medicine is baffling to me
What a lackluster way to do things.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #65
67. Believe me, it's baffling
to a lot of us as well! Your system may not be perfect, but it's a helluva lot better than ours!
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #67
68. it just seems wrong not to take care of the sick
I know wolves eat the wounded members....but cannibalism is illegal for humans.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:33 PM
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72. kick
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #72
79. Nother bump
kick
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 03:38 PM
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77. Hospital billing statements deliberately try to wear you down too
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 03:41 PM by havocmom
I read every single itme listed on some 10 pages (for a less than 24 hour stay) and found some interesting things. Besides the charges for each dose of meds being astronomically inflated, the number of doses listed was outright fraudulant. I counted the number of doses of a med I was given, asked several pharmacists how often the drug could be administered. The math did not add up.

I called billing and innocently inquired if there could be a mistake on the statement about the number of doses I had been given. "Absolutely no mistake, you were given that many doses of each of the listed meds..." "

"OK, how bout you put that in righting so I can sue your asses for overdosing me, cuz to be given that many doses safely and correctly would have taken 10 times the amount of time I was in your hospital... can you say serious malpractice charge and a big press conference?" Amazing how fast a supervisor called back and admitted that their billing system may have made an error or two...

Thing is, I was taken to the hospital and treated against my will to begin with. See, if you have a serious problem, are uninsured and poor, you cannot decide to end your own life rather than deal with the pain which you cannot afford to have treated. But in America, they can force you to accept medical care by means of they are bigger and stronger while you are almost unconscious. They deny you the right of sucide and then force you to become a medical care consumer, although you know you cannot afford it which is why you wanted out in the first place. It is forced on you then you get to pay for the priviledge of having them force their will on you. Amazing. If the pain gets bad enough again, I might choose a less tidy but faster means and do it where they get to do the clean up.

edited for typos
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #77
80. Yeah, and they can take your house
or throw you in jail or force you to file bankruptcy, etc., etc., and think nothing of it while running gazillion-dollar ad campaigns on how wonderful they are and how you should just love them to pieces. They will run a SS# search, and if you have any assets at all they will get them, never mind if it's all you have. They don't give a shit. Gotta pay those gazillion-dollar CEO and management salaries, ya know.

And that Wall Street Journal article davsand linked to was just unbelievable. We're not talking about people who had cosmetic surgery, then stiffed the plastic surgeon. We're talking about working and middle class folk who had viral meningitis, or miscarriage or gynecological emergencies, or pneumonia, etc., etc., and who were not only horrendously overcharged because they were uninsured, but were arrested in front of their families and thrown in jail until they or a family member could make bail. And many of these were "non-profit, Christian" hospitals. AAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!! What the fuck kind of society tolerates this shit against its vulnerable members?
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. You can fight it!
You CAN fight this.

Be informed, first. Here is a pamphlet put out by a local Health Care Consumer group about medical billing and collections:

http://www.prairienet.org/cchcc/med-dp1.htm

Get organized locally. I know it sounds daunting--but it does work. Hospitals HATE publicity that makes them look bad. If you can organize a handful of folks to make noise, it can help force hospitals to change hurtful policies.

Learn local tax codes. It sounds dreadful, but look at the local and state laws about property tax exemptions and who qualifies for them. Many hospitals get a property tax exemption (meaning they pay no property taxes on their holdings) IF you can put pressure on local boards to remove those tax exemptions until hospitals play fair--it can have a huge impact. Find out who lets them have those exemptions then start leaning on THEM to remove those exemptions until the hospitals start giving back to the local community.

I went on the Board of Review by political appointment, and the last thing I expected was that I'd ever have the opportunity to make any difference in the issue of local collection practices and free health care. I expected to be a policy wonk--and was flabbergasted to realize how much positive change I could force.

I spoke to Lucette Lagnado from the WSJ a few weeks before I left the Board. When I talked to her, I laid out everything we'd done to try and block property tax exemptions for the local parasites/hospitals and she was staggered by it. Evidently it was a new tactic to try and do it locally, and it came as a huge shock to realize that just doing your job representing the taxpayers was any big deal.

I'd always taken it for granted that all hospitals had you arrested if you didn't pay. I felt it was wrong--given the fact that they claim to be a non-profit--but I didn't realize that it was done differently in other locations. When we took our case to the State Dept of Revenue, it was a case of David -v- Goliath, but it was also what we felt was right and legal.

Lucette flew out and did an interview with us--spent an entire day in our office--and the next thing I knew this was a front page story for the Wall Street Journal. I think that for her, it was the realization that these were normal folks who had the misfortune of getting sick with no insurance or even health care insurance that didn't cover 100% of the treatments, that really made her feel passionately about the story. W hen she left that day, I asked her for one thing--tell that story and make it change.

I am immensely proud of the people who gave her interviews and stood up and told their story to the nation. I was at a press conference locally the day that story broke, and I met some of those people in that story. Up to that point they were legal cites and case numbers to me. I knew the intimate details of the court cases, but not who they were. I'd never even looked at the names while I worked on that case, to be honest, all I saw was how they were treated.

I was literally unable to finish the press conference. What had begun as an attempt to do the right thing about a tax exemption--a policy issue--became incredibly personal and very emotional. I lost it right about the time one of them hugged me and thanked me for doing my job...

I have always felt that Universal Health Care is the only way for a civilized society to do it, and have voted accordingly. What I never realized is that change CAN come with local action.

Best of luck to you. It is well worth the fight.

Laura
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #81
82. Thanks, Laura,
and kudos to you for fighting the good fight. I would really like to discuss this further with you and get some advice on how to go about getting started. I've had enough and it's time I stop complaining and start acting. It's the only way things are going to change. I'll probably be PMing you in the near future, if you don't mind.

I'm going to start by checking out my local hospital system's (they run the two main hospitals in my county) collections practices in depth, beginning with court records. They're going to find that their fancy gazillion-dollar ad campaign ain't gonna hold much water once I and those I can get to join me get done with them.

If anyone lives in Lake County, Ohio, and wants to join me, PLEASE PM me and let's get this going!
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #82
83. I can get it started here in Minneapolis
I can get it going. I have Public Relations background and Marketing.
Just need someone who is good with web stuff.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. I can get it started here, too,
now we just need to figure out how to coordinate it nationally. Maybe along with delivering the trucks, we could have ourselves a little march in D.C., at the same time the million and one trucks are delivering their load? I'd really like to get together people victimized by hospital and other medical collections, as well. This could really be something!
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #84
85. WE need to start a post
If we could put it together. We could see the interest.
We need web help.
I'm good at soliciting for funds...that I can do.
How do get this so you can email me?
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #85
86. How about I PM
you with my email address? And anyone else who wants in on this (and web people, we would ESPECIALLY need your help, especially if we're going to coordinate this nationally) can PM me and either give me their email or request mine.

We should also post a separate thread about this in GD, and keep it kicked. I'm really getting psyched here, LET'S DO IT!
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #86
87. I need to do this
pm'd you.
It's overdue and none of us can wait till 2010. It has to happen fast.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #86
88. Sorry, just woke up
I'll start the thread in GD and see if we can get any feelers for ideas. Hehe I have absolutely no experience in activism but I'll see what I can do. I think I should check into my local issue board to see if they have one on health care.

I'm kinda in shock because I think I've opened a pandora's box. Maybe not a bad thing.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 01:34 PM
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91. No, not a bad thing at all,
to paraphrase Margaret Mead, even a few people working to change something is the only thing that's ever made a real difference in changing things. I'm so glad you had that idea!

And I just read davsand's link in her second post, the pamphlet from her local health care consumer advocacy organization. I'm going to try to get something like that going in my area, as well, you should all read that, too.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #81
93. This is great info
Thanks. It is worth the fight. Our lives depend on it.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 01:29 PM
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89. Kick ass!!
:kick:

:yourock:
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 01:31 PM
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90. Thanks!
And feel free to join us!
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 01:47 PM
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92. I've started the thread
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The Democratic Kid Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:08 PM
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94. Activists Unite!!!!
Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 03:15 PM by The Democratic Kid
Hi My name is The Democratic Kid I am a Activist for health care reform, and you KICK ASS!!!!!!!! I would like to team up with you and make those greedy scum bag leaches eat SHIT!!!My family was raped, ripped of and lied to by this currupt greedy health care system of ours. My story is very long and very sad, I will tell you a little bit about what happend. In 1994 My mother went into the hosptial for tests because she was loosing waight.The Dr.s forgot to give her 1 of her meds. she had been taking for 20 yrs.3 days later her body went into shock and she went into full respitory failer. They drugged her unconscious and tied her to the bed and shuved a ventilater down her throat. Meanwhile me father developed prostate cancer and was treated like shit. The Dr.s lied to my family about what was going on with my mom. They did things to their bodies that were wrong. They called in specialists and did tests that were unesessary. they used my poor mother and father has pin cushions of greed. My mom was in and out of the hosptal for 4 yrs before she died my dad died of cancer 2 yrs before my mom did he went to that hosptal every day with a walker to visit my mom ( IF i miss spell words its because tears are running down my face)I was doing painting roofing and home repair with my dad and brother in the middle of the Az. summer 5 months before he died just so we could pay the Med. bills I saw their life savings go right down the toliet because of this corrupt system of ours. I desended into hell as Paul the trusting person that believed in our health care system and I flew out the other end as The Democratic Kid Health care reform Activist AND I WILL SPIT FIRE BACK IN THEIR FACES!!! e-mail me with your stories The more I hear the more powerfull I become, dkid@fight-back.com also visit www.retiredamericans.org any one can join. Thak care I hope to hear from you. The Democratic Kid...pS I would like to hear from woman who posted the first post..
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:02 PM
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96. Thanks, I just emailed you,
and for anyone else who wants to help, join, who has their own horror stories, or even for reformed collectrolls, here's my email also: llynott@planet-save.com. Onward in the struggle for health care reform and justice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 04:04 PM
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95. You are one hell of a lady -
Please don't cave! I had a big row with my hospital a few years ago over money they claimed I owed. I told 'em same as you, "go ahead and sue and bash my credit." I don't give a flying fuck. Nothing never happened and never ever heard from them again.
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