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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:51 PM
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I had a verbal skirmish with a racist this evening, and now I feel all giddy and warm inside.
As I was a little peckish, I thought I'd pop up to Joe Mercury's, a nearby sports bar, for something to eat and maybe play some NTN Trivia. When I got there, I saw a sign that said "CLOSED, THANKS FOR THE RIDE". There were two people outside, a south Asian fellow and a really, really short white guy who came up to about my nipples (I'm 5'10") and I asked them when the place had closed down -- not why, mind you, but when. The white guy said, "It's all because of those fucking blacks and niggers," which really wasn't the answer to my question. I said, "First of all, that's redundant, and second, please don't use that word, because it's offensive."

"I'm Canadian and I can use that word if I want, and I don't care if it's offensive."

"Well, I'm from Saskatchewan, which possibly makes me even more Canadian than you, sir. All I wanted to know is, WHEN did it happen?"

"Hah! I'm eighth-generation Irish Canadian." (Well, he had me there, I guess, since I'm only third-generation, but he didn't have to know that.) "And if you're from Saskatchewan you can use the word, too."

"Yeah, but I wouldn't."

"Probably because you don't have a lot of niggers in Saskatchewan."

"No, I just WOULDN'T use it except in self-defence, because it's not a nice word, and you're damn lucky I'm not a large black man or you probably would be lying unconscious in the gutter right now. You realize that when your people came over here, they had signs up that said, 'No dogs or Irish allowed', eh? Anyway, I just want to know when Joe Mercury's closed down."

"About two weeks ago."

"Well, that wasn't so hard, was it? That's all I was asking."

"And it's because of the niggers and Pakis and..."

"No," I said, "it was probably because of the midgets."

"Fuck off."

"Jesus, and I thought leprechauns were supposed to be pleasant."

So, gnome-like, he waddled off, cursing under his breath, and the south Asian man started singing, "Short people got no reason..." and I joined in. Then we went and had a beer. Some fun, huh, Bambi?
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:06 PM
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1. "I'm Canadian and can use that word if I want"
?

:wtf:

Racism is so fun...
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:32 PM
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3. Oh yeah, we have assholes up here, too. n/m
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:34 PM
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4. lol
I work at starbucks, and the other day, we had some dude come in with KKK 'tats. I nearly threw up in my mouth...:puke:

I really wish I could've denied him service.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:42 PM
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7. I would have spit in his drink.
The only time I condone that, too.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:43 PM
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9. I was ringing. I just took the money and turned my back on him.
I felt really, really bad too--and I think the guy knew he made me uncomfortable.


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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:46 PM
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10. I think I would have bitten him. n/m
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:13 PM
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2. Good on you...
What a punk! I have a similar story that left me all warm and fuzzy. I was working with a client in the south that was complaining about "all the black people on Medicaid." I said, "well there are plenty of white people on Medicaid too. Does that bother you? And by the way, the vast majority of people on Medicaid are kids -- do you have something against kids?"

She said, "well that's easy for you to say -- you live in Seattle and there are hardly any black people there" (which is true). I said, "You know why there are so many black people in the South?" And she said, "No, why?"

To which I replied, "You guys brought them all here as slaves."

The whole office cracked up and she turned three shades of red. Yeah, I know it wasn't completely responsive to her bigoted remark. But I knew it would shut her the hell up, and it certainly did. Plus I was in a situation where I couldn't be as reactive as I normally would have been had it not been a client.

Anyway, good on you to put the punk in his place!
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:43 PM
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8. Thanks, MagsDem, and in case you haven't heard this yet...
Welcome to DU! :party:

Our stories sound remarkably similar. I think these people are mass-produced in a factory somewhere in Stupidland, which is good an argument as any for industrial sabotage.

But at least your client didn't call them "niggers". And now that you mention it, yes, I think my evil leprechaun also said something about how all black people are on welfare stealing his money, or some shit like that.
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Rhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 07:56 AM
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16. Bravo! Well played!
And welcome to DU! :bounce:
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 01:08 PM
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18. Thanks IVdemilo and Think Blue
I appreciate the warm welcome!
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:37 PM
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5. "...and I thought leprechauns were supposed to be pleasant"
:rofl:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:40 PM
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6. Great comeback!!!
And the singing totally topped it off!

:rofl:
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 05:51 AM
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11. Thank you. I can be pleasantly nasty when annoyed.
Well, nasty as I wanna be, anyway.

I did make a new friend, though, if only briefly -- which is nice.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 07:14 AM
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12. i do believe you are The Pot of Gold.
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NewWaveChick1981 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 07:19 AM
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13. You handled that beautifully...
:hi: :thumbsup: :rofl: His only retort was, "Fuck off"...:rofl: You left him speechless! :applause: :rofl:
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 07:25 AM
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14. Wonderful!
You handled that asshole beautifully. I particularly liked the "Jesus, and I thought leprechauns were supposed to be pleasant." comment. :-)

SHMILY


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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 07:50 AM
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15. do you have a problem with short people?
:)
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VLC Donating Member (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 09:10 AM
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17. A few comments about that...
Edited on Sun Aug-12-07 09:13 AM by VLC
First of all, "nigger" and "black" are not redundant.

What does being Canadian have to do with anything? And who cares who's "more Canadian"?

How does one justifiably use the word "nigger" in "self defense"?

If you were a "large black man" does that mean the term would be more offensive so you would have to become violent? What if you were a small black man? You raised the specter of the big, bad, scary black man to try to explain racism to him?

Do you really think that by calling him a midget and a gnome, you're not engaging in the same kind of behavior that he was?
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:06 PM
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21. I see your points, but...
First of all, "nigger" and "black" are not redundant.

Maybe, but for people like him, the words are interchangeable, and that's what's important in this situation. I often use people's own terms of reference against their arguments, so that they understand their error. For instance, I am not a believer in the God mythology and its dogma, but I do think marijuana should be legalized. How are these two things related, you ask? Well, a lot of people who are devout believers are also the same people who think pot is immoral. For them, all my other, more reasonable reasons for legalizing it fall on deaf ears, so I say that way back in Genesis, God said "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you." It reveals God's will for all seed-bearing plants. Marijuana is a seed-bearing plant. This is so important that God stuck it in the very first chapter of the very first book of the Bible, and so NOT to use pot is blasphemy. You wouldn't believe how that shuts 'em up.

What does being Canadian have to do with anything? And who cares who's "more Canadian"?

Nothing. He was the one who brought it up. I just wanted to show him that if he was going to be like that, and use his Canadianness as an excuse for bigotry, then I had to trump his Canadian card lest he dismiss my criticism as unimportant on the grounds that I'm not much of a Canadian in his eyes. That loophole had to be blocked.

How does one justifiably use the word "nigger" in "self defense"?
Here's an example. One time, a black man called me "faggot", so I slapped him back with "Don't call me faggot, nigger."

"What did you say?!"

I replied, "I said, 'Don't call me faggot'," and here I pronounced it very carefully, "nigger."

"How the fuck dare you use that word to me?"

"Well, how the fuck dare you use that other word to me?"

"It's not the same thing, bitch!"

"It's exactly the same thing. You're not a 'nigger' just as much as I'm not a 'faggot'. I'm gay, and you're black."

"That's different."

"Well, how?"

"Because you chose to be gay. I didn't choose to be black."

"Of course you did," I said, which was of course patently absurd, but that was the point. I expect some solidarity for my oppressed social group, from people who belong to other oppressed social groups. We're in this struggle for human rights together. I told him this, and he actually smiled. "Brother!" he said. "Brother!" I said. And that was that. No, we didn't have a beer together after that, but we had something much more important: an understanding.

If you were a "large black man" does that mean the term would be more offensive so you would have to become violent? What if you were a small black man? You raised the specter of the big, bad, scary black man to try to explain racism to him?

I was trying to communicate with him on his own level. He obviously assumed he was safe in saying the word to me because I'm one of his "white brothers", which made him a coward in my books. I had to disabuse him of that notion in my own non-violent but aggressive way, by saying that this particular white guy found his rant objectionable, and I also was warning him that if he were to say the wrong thing to the WRONG person, he would suffer some well-deserved physical consequences. His two brain cells would probably have informed him that it's probably unwise to call a black man a nigger to his face, and that it would be particularly perilous for someone of his stature. When you're little, it's not a good idea to pick on people bigger than yourself or you'll get your clock cleaned, and I'm sure this coward knew that all too well. Now, coward that he is, he probably uses the word all the time when he's out of black persons' earshot, never to their face. But somehow it's OK to say it to me because I'm not black and I'll just stand idly by and let him get away with it? Nuh-uh! Now realistically, of course, I cannot possibly have the same vested interest in the word that a black person does; I'd fully expect that a black person would react even more passionately than I did because I haven't experienced a long history of oppression on account of my skin colour. Also I believe physical violence causes more problems than it solves, or else, yes, I might have beaten the shit out of him. Well, I guess I did beat him up, but only verbally.

Do you really think that by calling him a midget and a gnome, you're not engaging in the same kind of behavior that he was?

Nope, just beating him with his own stick -- one of my favourite tactics -- because he's probably also been picked on all his life for being short, and he'd understand that feeling. And I only referred to him as a gnome in my previous post here. To his face I called him a leprechaun, which was a double whammy.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 01:32 PM
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19. Jesus, I thought Canadians
Edited on Sun Aug-12-07 02:18 PM by ashling
were supposed to be civil
:rofl:

Reminds me of the guy I ran into in Central Texas where I lived just before the 'o4 election. I had a John Kerry sticker on my pickup and this guy drove up as I was gassing up at the local convenience store (which is to say the only store for 20 miles).

He says "Your not really goin to vote for Kerry are ya?"

my reply: "Well ... (pause with a sort of 'on second thought' expression) yeah, I think I will."

"You piece uv shit!"

"Gee, (concerned) I hope that makes you feel better . . . because it sure makes you look stupid. Have a good day"
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 01:43 PM
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20. nd if you're from Saskatchewan you can use the word, too
Dude, I'm from Sask and I can't say I've heard many people say that word in normal conversation. Although, we do have plenty of what I call "Canadian Racists", i.e. people with prejudice/hatred towards native people. There are a lot of those "I'm not racist, but we need to do something about the indians" people around here
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:28 PM
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22. Yes, we can KNOW the word, and we really don't get much chance to use it, thankfully.
When I was growing up in the '60s and '70s, practically the only black people in Regina were African Americans who were playing for the Roughriders.

And yeah, I know the type of people you're talking about. They are racist whether they think they are or not. As for me, I learned very early on that people are just people, whether native or not, and the way I learned it was through close association with Crees. Half of my neighbourhood was Métis or First Nation, and most of my childhood friends had last names like Stonechild or Quewezance. They're good people and I enjoyed sharing their rich culture. One of our neighbours was Jim Sinclair, a founding member of both the Native Council of Canada and the Métis National Council, and the current president of the Congress of Aboriginal Peoples of Saskatchewan. Our folks and his would have dinner at each other's homes all the time. Mr Sinclair is a nice guy and very passionate about human rights. I learned a lot from him.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:32 PM
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23. You Jeopardy winners with your book learnin'...
Seriously, good on you, ID. :toast:
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