If You Don't Like Rap Perhaps You Missed The Great Stuff

[DemocratSinceBirth]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUmcUuPo3Jo






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4RY-eJgHHs




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWOsbGP5Ox4

[ghostsofgiants]

1. Some more underground stuff for you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKM9odw4P6U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jf_8pHCqf4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4jY9S-dcUQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF7E23FLiW4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQakz9-kvfI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ7w-z4BvMo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51YRP8-8ZSs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd2k1RYik0Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaNlayKc25s

[RevolutionaryActs]

4. Those are great!

I really liked "Patriotism" that was fucking awesome!

[ghostsofgiants]

21. Yeah, that's been one of my favourite songs for quite some time.

A few more because I"m bored, haha...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdc2DL-GWn8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC2G3iQqPo0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnevMn60Unk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqbzy1tNSu0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMP__WRvv1Y

[China_cat]

2. The 'c' in rap is silent.

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[RetroLounge]

7. I don't understand why you attack anyone who dislikes rap?

I can't stand the shit, never listen to it, and think it's a few steps south of actual music.

But I would never think of you as ignorant because you like it. :shrug:

Just different tastes and opinions.

But I will check out your links and see what I've been missing...

:hi:

RL

[ghostsofgiants]

8. It's not those who dislike rap, I'm fine with them, it's those who say it's bad music or worse...

That it's not music at all. The whole rap is crap cliché is a marked sign of ignorance I've observed over the years.

I hate most "classic" rock, for example, but I'm not about to write off all of the genre as a result.

[mvd]

I understand what you mean

I try not to say anything I don't like isn't music. There's some rap I can tolerate (Kanye West, Eminem,) but I'm not a fan of any of it. As you said, that's just taste. I also don't like death metal, pure techno, some modern rock (I like Garbage and Pearl Jam, don't like Creed, Nickelback, and Kittie,) emo, opera, and certain kinds of country, dance, and adult contemporary.

[RetroLounge]

10. I think we can all agree on hating Creed...

:rofl:

RL

[ghostsofgiants]

12. Haha, amen to that.

:D

[ghostsofgiants]

16. Exactly.

Like those two videos I posted in your thread, definitely not your cup of tea, but you don't respond and say they're crap or not music.

[RetroLounge]

9. Probably because most of the corporate rap was bad.

When I see a rapper who can actually sing, and has a live band that can actually play, I am more apt to have an open mind.

But I came from a musician background, I guess, so that when i see someone using bad rhymes to a recorded stolen sample track, I just roll my eyes.

Especially when their vocabulary never strays from Bitch, Ho, or some false street cred styling.

RL

[ghostsofgiants]

11. It's a completely different aesthetic, so I think it's also kind of pointless to judge it from...

Say a rock musician perspective. (I've actually heard someone say that since rap doesn't have chord changes, per se, it's not music.) For one, rappers aren't trying to sing for the most part, they're rapping, I don't think that's something people take into consideration. And structuring a beat from samples provides a very different aesthetic from a live band. It's also a traditional part of the origin of hip-hop. It started in poor black communities, so they didn't have access to guitars and drum kits they way they might have wanted, so they used what they had: turntables and records. It evolved and became its own aesthetic that they liked, so they kept using it.

And just for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gvx5tZhGSE

[RetroLounge]

14. Okay, I like that...

Very nice. thanks.

:hi:

RL

[dropkickpa]

34. Exactly

It's got a lot of it's roots in funk, jazz, blues, soul, and some R&B.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

35. Because it's usually an incorrect assumption of what rap is.

For example, if someone were to say they hate jazz, and they base that assumption on Kenny G's "music," they failed to understand the genre's true geniuses and works.

The "bitches and hos" rappers are like the Kenny Gs of rap, while true hip-hop artists with meaningful lyrics (more recent ones are Blackalicious, Mos Def, and Talib Kweli, for example) are like the Miles Davises and John Coltranes of rap.

Also, quite a few rappers do play their own instruments (The Roots, for example, are an actual "hip-hop band"), so it's not all sampled, while many sampled works are actually masterpieces of audio collages that feature thousands of samples to create entirely new songs (DJ Shadow's works are a perfect example).

Now if someone against rap/hip-hop was aware of all the good artists and the techniques involved and went far beyond the Top 40 crap and *still* didn't like the genre, that would be okay, as long as they went through the trouble of actually exploring the genre and not assuming that the whole genre was like the mainstream crap.

[RetroLounge]

36. Well, I see your point.

But I don't like Opera much, but I'm not interested enough to dig deep beyond Verdi, etc.

and see I called it "corporate" just like Kenny G is manufactured corporate spooge-jazz.

But really, comparing ANY rapper to Coltrane or Miles? progmom may come back to kick your ass :rofl:

:hi:

RL

[ghostsofgiants]

38. Progmom is actually a big hip-hop fan too.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

39. LOL, she and I have an understanding.

:rofl:

I thought I listened to a whole lot of jazz, but she has me beat by light years. ;)

Although, I was comparing some rappers to Miles and Coltrane in terms of influence within the hip-hop genre, not necessarily in terms of overall quality if you considered music as a whole with no genre boundaries whatsoever and from an overall historical perspective.

Having said that, I think there are certain parallels between jazz techniques and certain rappers' flows. In fact, Talib Kweli once rapped, "I love rockin' tracks like John Coltrane loved Naima."

:thumbsup: :hi:

[ghostsofgiants]

37. Yep...

And even on the level of making beats, not just lyrics, someone like Puffy is nowhere near the caliber of say DJ Shadow or El-P or whoever.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

40. Definitely.

[Deja Q]

5. .

:spray:

[ghostsofgiants]

6. Oh come on, that was the lamest most unoriginal comment a person can possibly make about rap.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Some Folks Dig Their Barry Manilow And I'm Cool With That

Got Mandy?

Seriously...

I have an open mind... In fact the commemoration of Elvis' passing made me nostalgic... I went out and bought the Live From Hawaii CD... Now if I told that to some people they would think I was hopelessly square...

I literally like all genres of music...

[ghostsofgiants]

15. When it comes to music her,e ther are a lot of really stubborn people as well.

You post a thread about hip-hop, you're always going to get haters. Like I said above, I don't like "classic" rock, but I don't go into threads about...umm...I remember one about the Steve Miller Band recently, and the ones about the rock and roll hall of fame not inducting Jethro Tull and a few other bands. I don't go into those threads and start talking shit, and if I do make a comment, it's not just generally slagging the music so much as it's just me saying "that stuff isn't my cup o' tea." But you'll find people who are adamant that rap isn't music, or that any music after the mid-70s is shit no matter what, etc.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. As I Said I Like All Genres

but there is music within genres that I'm not crazy about...

The only song I like by Steve Miller is this one:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFGZufk4HFs


Though I can do without the synthesizer at the beginning...


Not a fan of Jethro Tull...

[idgiehkt]

18. I hear you

Ani Difranco likes rap to folk and punk as "an attitude, it's an awareness of one's heritage, and it's a community. It's subcorporate music that gives voice to different communities and their struggle against authority."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ani_Difranco

I haven't posted in a single thread this weekend about a singer who mostly just seemed like a walking cartoon, at best, to me. Music as made by humans most probably originated with percussion only and it always mystifies me how people can say it "isn't music". It's probably the most elemental music there is, at least on this planet in the history of this species. Everybody has to feel superior about something, I guess.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. I Can Guess Who You Are Referring To

"I haven't posted in a single thread this weekend about a singer who mostly just seemed like a walking cartoon."

I used to feel the same way but my thinking evolved...

I guess I would say a person would be surprised how much they can expand their universe by opening their mind...

[idgiehkt]

20. no need to insult me, really

I have about as open a mind musically as you will find. I refrained from posting in those threads because I respect that other people feel differently. I don't feel the need to go and insult them, so please don't insult me by implying my musical tastes are 'unevolved' and that my mind is 'closed'. Thank you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Perhaps My Phrasing Was Ham Handed...I Apologize If I Offended You...

One time , a couple of co-workers and I were discussing our favorite bands...One said the Beatles, the other said the Who, another said CSNY, etcetera... This young woman said Abba... We didn't make fun of her to her face but we would always joke about it , even years later, and say " remember when we were discussing our favorite bands and that girl said Abba..."

Well, I have listened to Dancing Queen, and I'll be damned that is a beautiful , beautiful song:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GFpMb0sOaw

[idgiehkt]

23. your presumption is that I haven't been exposed to that music

and that if I were, my mind would be changed. I have, believe me, and I still feel the same. (Though not too crazy about Abba as more that kitschy pop I listened to when I was twelve.)

We tend to like what speaks to us internally. I don't care for polka music at all, but that doesn't mean it's not legitimate and meaningful to some people.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. I Can Understand That...

Musical taste like others tastes can be deeply personal...

I do apologize though...

[idgiehkt]

25. don't worry about it

I didn't take it to heart. I was tortured with polka music at a job I worked at for a couple years and I am certain I don't like that style of music either. Different strokes....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. Maybe You Made Me Confront My Own Hypocrisy

I said I like all genres of music but I don't think I like polka at all...

[idgiehkt]

27. I can dig it at Octoberfest

but not every day of the week, lol. But if we posted a thread that said "polka sucks" someone will end up being a devotee and jump to its defense. Everyone breathing is a hypocrite in one way or another, and the worst are the ones who claim not to be. :)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. I'm Not Going To Slam It But I Don't Think I Can Ever Acquire A Taste For It

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjvVBCNcL_A


What kind of music do you like?

[idgiehkt]

29. I've seen that video before, you must have posted it

or someone did...nice.

I like everything, love bluegrass, indy/alternative, modern folk like ani difranco, love rap, love old blues, big everly brothers and buddy holly fan, I like some so-called "hard rock" both new and old, great fan of the women musicians like PJ Harvey and Kat Bjelland that were so prevalent in the early 90's before riot grrrl, still love grunge to this day. I like a lot of classical music that I hear but know nothing whatever about it. Like some opera I've heard but know nothing about that either. I like classic rock though besides Neil Young it seems to be becoming more and more boring to me which is unsettling. Jazz is my biggest failing...I like the sound of it but I don't understand it on that deep level that conniseurs do so I know I'm missing something.

[AnotherGreenWorld]

42. You really like all genres of music? Are you sure you've heard them all?

[dropkickpa]

30. You know

The only genre of music I can say I really dislike is commercial pop-country. I find something in every other genre that I like. Thanks for posting these, I still love Tupac!!

[ghostsofgiants]

31. Have you heard Tupac's new single?

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1698996

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[w8liftinglady]

41. some of my favorite old school rappers - salt n pepa -listen to the message

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9hpOhKNgtk

[AnotherGreenWorld]

43. Obama mentioned in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqn5f2ISnvo

[stuntcat]

44. JJ Fad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXSyLtnIBRM
I LOVE a few songs from the 80's, and 20 or 30 songs are as far as I go :blush: I'm not so hip, but I really love the songs!

[AnotherGreenWorld]

45. I don't like rap/hip-hop, but I don't hate rap/hip-hop like this--when you get past the intro:

The album, Shades of Blue, is a remix of Bluenote's archives.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=htQzROyv05M

[ghostsofgiants]

46. Madlib rules.

[Labors of Hercules]

47. I hate what the mainstream of this artform has become.

Rap/Hip Hop could be amazing, and some still is.

But to have to slog through all the nasty, narcissistic shit to find the few redeeming bits of true artistry is just not worth the time and pain as far as I'm concerned.

[ghostsofgiants]

50. That's true of most things though.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

48. An anti-Bush rap song for everybody (VIDEO + LYRICS):

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7483742380305081101&q=Supadubya

SUPA DUBYA
4o. del Tren

a new age has dawned rising from the ashes of the innocent
my dead versus your dead let's see who can get more militant
blood for blood, pound for pound, an eye for an eye
my tribal god has told me that i must murder or die

you kill ten of mine, i must kill ten thousand of yours
preemptively decapitating all those who dare to oppose
shoot the motherfuckers now, and ask questions much later
terrorist, freedom fighter, innocent bystander, instigator

it don't matter, your ass is brown, you got a towel on top of your head
you pray to a foreign god, you pray to mine or i'll shoot you dead
patriots, sidewinders, m-1's and f-16's
the most beautiful display of destruction mankind has ever seen

i'm not an invader, i came here to liberate your people
i'm carpet bombing your mosques so i can build my church steeples
yeah, freedom and democracy, baseball and apple pie
buy and consume or go bye bye bye

now who the fuck do you think you are to go against my manifest destiny
i got a mandate from my god to smite all of my enemies
look at me the wrong way and i'll put your ass on my shit list
what? you want some of this, bitch? i'll take you for a ride, with no witness

what would jesus do? fuck that, you know it's just a front
to appease the bible thumpers while i do what the fuck i want
propagatin propaganda, live in fear and i'll protect ya
i'll raise the terror alert and you know that i'm gonna check ya

what books do you read, who do you talk to, where you goin, what's your habit?
gimme all your information right now, what's your number i gotta have it
big brother ain't got shit on me, i got eyes in the back of your brain
my name is supa dubya and i've come to bring you the pain

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the usurping bastard child of an archaic plutocratic system
what's my fucking name..?! if it was something else you'd have missed him
playing games with poppy's cash, let's bankrupt the company make bank on the options
fuck the pension plan, fuck aunt millie, neck deep in corruption

power to the people, no the power belongs to the white men in white collars
gathering every single day to worship in the temple of the dollar
mr greenspan, mr greenspan, tell me which way the wind blows
and why are all these people jumping out of their fuckin windows?

why are all these mothers crying for children that won't return
their blood spilling in the desert while the city of baghdad burns
the black blood that feeds the empire must never stop flowing
no price is too high, we must keep shocking and awing

it's the project for the new american century, the new world order
an empire disguised as democracy, prostituted and distorted
you think this shit started the day the towers came falling down?
no, it's an old idea we've been munching on and kicking around

we've been waitin to scratch that itch for a long time in mesopotamia
even though we all know the hijackers were mostly saudi arabian
pay no mind to the lies, the shell games and deception
we're here to fight for your freedom, we're only here for your protection

i don't remember guadalcanal, antietam, normandy or the mekong
i'm sending you and your neighbor's kid to die like i'm on playstation ghost recon
playin like i'm a top gun, mission accomplished on an aircraft carrier
workin hard every day to make the world scarier and scarier

a kinder, gentler version of daddy, check this conservative's compassion
read my lips, motherfuckers, time for lights camera and action
this power trip shit gets me higher than back in the day, doin cocaine
my name is supa dubya and i'm really fucking insane

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i'm settin the stage for a show for which you've never seen an equal
you thought 9/11 was tight, hold up, i'm gettin ready for the sequel
whatever the cost, whatever the price to buy me four more years
a few more terror attacks, more lies to keep you living in fear

call rush, call o'reilly, get on the phone with mr. hannity
spin the web of deception so we can continue with this insanity
don't ask too many questions, deploy weapons of mass distraction
prepare the foot soldiers, it's almost time to jump into action

the second coming of the rapture, the last holy crusade
i'm smiting infidels left and right, giving them a taste of my righteous blade
the power to destroy the world right here in the palm of my hand
i'll bring you eternal salvation, by air, sea and by land

with us or against us, only two roads that you can choose
the almighty is on my side, and there's no way that i can lose
it's the coalition of the sellouts, motherfuck the united nations
i'm readin the bible and mein kampf for my divine inspiration

the ultimate corporate state, only dreamed of by mussolini
in the innermost of the inner circles, rubbin elbows and sippin martinis
in bed with ceo’s, saudi princes and israeli ministers
i serve only them and follow their orders, no matter how sinister

i'm the schoolyard bully, gimme your milk money and play my game
the only bastard on the planet gettin by on his fuckin last name
can't even pronounce nuclear missile, but i know how to pull the trigger
kick back and relax while the empire grows bigger and bigger

fuck genghis khan, fuck caesar, fuck alexander the great
i'm bigger than all those niggas, this is the perfect fascist state
don't mess with texas, motherfucker, don't mess with me or i'll blow your brains
i'm super duper dubya, this is my world and my game!!!

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[jgraz]

52. How many freepers do you think mistake that for a pro-bush video?

Irony is not their strong point over there.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

54. I remember they thought The Colbert Report was real at first.

Someone linked to the thread over there on the show's first episode. Their reactions were hilarious.

[BlueJazz]

49. I liked the Words (to the song you posted) but the Music is just Corny.

[ellisonz]

51. FROM THE 36 CHAMBERS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY4g-avcqLc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paswXgxPkns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDfToFcJ2J4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfy-B2gKLIo

It's the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu-Tang_Clan

TRIUMPH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQfVte5nfg0
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[ghostsofgiants]

53. Wu-Tang is for the children!

:thumbsup: