Lohan is getting away with it!

[ronnykmarshall]

http://www.tmz.com/2007/08/23/d-a-to-lindsay-youre-not-a-felon/#comments

D.A. to Lindsay -- You're Not a Felon
Posted Aug 23rd 2007 2:02PM by TMZ Staff
Filed under: Celebrity Justice, Lindsay Lohan

TMZ was at the Beverly Hills Courthouse this morning when the L.A. County District Attorney filed criminal charges against Lindsay Lohan. The charges are seven misdemeanors -- NO FELONIES. And, there may be a plea bargain today at 1:30 PM PDT



I despise these little trolls.

[idgiehkt]

1. this sentence is the biggest pile I've ever seen...

"Also, her age -- 21 -- and the fact that her upbringing was extremely unstable -- also worked in her favor."

There are alot of young men and women in prison whose upbringings were extremely unstable and it did NOT work in their favor. What a complete load of crap. This girl is probably gonna end up dead at this rate.


Also, for contrast

The struggle to free the Jena 6
http://www.countercurrents.org/flaherty220807.htm
But, after these incidents, when Black students got into a fight with a white student, six Black youths were charged with attempted murder, and now face a lifetime in prison.

[kay1864]

2. That part actually reads like the opinion of the journalist, not the DA

The part that comes from the DA is:

As to why no felony charges were filed, the DA says Lohan's cocaine traces "were below the .05 grams required by office policy for felony filing."

Sources tell us there were also problems even proving she was in possession of the drug.

[idgiehkt]

19. I didn't say it came from the D.A.

It's a crock and I can't believe someone would be so sheltered and out of touch with reality to even write such a stupid sentence.

[kay1864]

22. It's also silly speculation on the part of the journalist

No backup for it provided.

[idgiehkt]

24. "silly" is generous

I prefer stupid and irresponsible. But then "journalist" is generous as well. I don't know why they don't break down and say "she's a rich white girl who is very famous so they are gonna let her keep doing this until she kills someone".

[ronnykmarshall]

5. Can you believe that shit?

How many poor or middle class 21 year olds get this type of treatment? NONE! That festering cesspool on two legs needs her ass thrown in jail. I gotta share the streets with this thing. She's going kill someone. Trust me, she hits me ....... I'd sue her ass for every dime she's got.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

3. But "Latisha Lohan" would be doing hard time because of that D.A.

:puke:

[ronnykmarshall]

6. Damn right.

So would Lindsey Lopez or Lindsey Jones.

People in LA are fucking sick of this shit.

[kay1864]

9. Not per their policy

< .05 grams cocaine = no felony charge

[derby378]

15. Or "Lupe Lohan," for that matter

:mad:

[SoCalDem]

4. No she's not.. That judge may have signed her death warrant

No accountability + risky behavior = early demise

[ronnykmarshall]

8. But maybe on the backs of others.

She's the type that will probably kill someone else before she drops dead.

[qdemn7]

20. Death Warrant? Yup!

I'd say she'll be dead before she turns 25. Sad. :thumbsdown:

[madrchsod]

27. you forgot-uninsurable

she may never work in movies again because no one will insure her to work in a movie ....but there is always lifetime movies

[sasquatch]

29. Is that necessarily a bad thing though?

I shed no tears over dead jackasses that did jackass things to die.

[Norwood]

7. Not really all that surprised

If she weren’t a celebrity, rich, and hot (although not nearly as cute as she use to be) she would be facing multiple felony counts and some serious jail time.

There really are two different legal systems one for the rich/famous/powerful and one for the rest of us. Its pathetic really, what will they say when she finally kills someone?

[ronnykmarshall]

10. I'm waiting to see what the plea is.

The fact that the DA didn't file any felony charges tell me it's going to be quick stint in Lynwood (where Paris was) and back to the clubs for her.

[kay1864]

11. Different legal systems? Probably. Multiple felony counts? No.

See post #9 above.

[Norwood]

18. Its not the coke

I don't remember exactly what was reported but I thought she did a bunch of other stuff as well. Didn't she take someones car without permission and kept a couple guys in the car when they didn't want to be. I also remember hearing she ran somebodys leg over. Was she even charged for any of that.

[kay1864]

26. Running over someone's foot (not leg) is not a felony

The other events you refer to aren't mentioned in the article above, so I dunno.

[mentalsolstice]

70. I smell an opposite-sex crush here in the lounge!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=6857697

Mark kay1864 down for Lindsey the party-girl!

[idgiehkt]

21. she wasn't charged with near what she could have been

she ran over one of the guys' feet when he jumped out of the SUV, she essentially kidnapped the other two and threatened to sue them if they touched her, she ran umpteen redlights, did a u-turn in the middle of a city street, drove donuts around her assistants car, went to the assistants house and pursued her mother to the police station (thank god her mother had the sense to drive there). I sincerely hope she gets sued for everything she's worth.

[kay1864]

25. Except for the alleged kidnapping, which of those are felonies?

Those read like misdemeanors to me.

And as for the 'kidnapping', unless the two say they didn't consent, the DA simply can't bring such a charge.

[idgiehkt]

30. they said it on the videos

that tmz had posted a while back, I think if you run a search on that site you can find them. I didn't know running over someone's foot was a misdemeanor. I imagine she's either paid them off or they will sue.

[kay1864]

32. Saying it on a TMZ video doesn't count in court

Unless they make that statement to a DA (or someone similar), the DA can't bring charges.

It does look like they've chosen to sue her in civil court (and get those $$$) rather than file a complaint and bring criminal charges.

Either way, the DA isn't letting her slide here. He can't charge what he doesn't have evidence or testimony for.

[idgiehkt]

35. I didn't say it counted in court

I said they said it on the videos. Their accounts of what happened are consistent, and this is just the two guys she kidnapped and the one guy whose foot she ran over. That doesn't include the assistant that she pursued all the way home and her mother whom she pursued to the police station, they were not interviewed in those videos. I'm not sure why they would not go to the D.A. and have him press charges because a criminal case guilty verdict would strengthen whatever civil case they bring. My vote is in favor of her having paid them off. She is almost a danger to society at this point...if you watch those videos (I think there is about 10 or 15 minutes altogether) you might understand why everyone is so alarmed here. Probably, she is going to kill someone else before the consequences she needs to wake her up arrive. I didn't say the D.A. is letting her slide, but based on the fact that there are so many eyewitnesses to her behavior that night it's tragic for her that she is not facing steeper charges.

[kay1864]

36. But that's all that counts to a DA

A DA cannot bring charges just because someone said something on a TMZ video. No matter how lengthy, alarming, or consistent.

Unless and until someone involved files a criminal complaint, she won't be facing "steeper charges". And that's not the DA's fault, nor the judicial system's.

[idgiehkt]

38. I didn't say it counted to the D.A.

you don't have to explain the judicial system to me. I am starting to think you ARE the D.A.

Let people bitch about this crock of bullshit if they want to...it's tragic to watch someone this young with so much promise end up like this...she may take a few with her on her way out and that is really sad. You are underscoring my point thought that criminal charges haven't been filed probably because she paid them off.

[kay1864]

41. But you did say "steeper charges" and "misdemeanors"

Charges which can brought only by a DA. He can't bring them without legal testimony.

I'm starting to think you want him to do so based on a TMZ video.

[idgiehkt]

46. roflmao

As I said, she more than likely paid the guys off. I bet they are sitting pretty now, with more money than they might ever get from a civil suit. Celebrities do it all the time.

[ronnykmarshall]

56. They had filed lawsuits against her ...

of course she paid them off.

[idgiehkt]

60. ahhh...

just as I suspected. I wonder how much?? I guess we will never know.

[pitohui]

55. apparently the kids she kidnapped were black so it's okay and not a felony

if she was a he (and especially a black drugged up he) and they were a couple white girls, huh, big time felony, i think

this is just not fair!

[ronnykmarshall]

57. And of course she blamed it on "the black kid"

When police arrived, she said "I wasn't driving, the black kid was". :mad:

I despise that pile of shit.

[idgiehkt]

59. I think you are right about that.

The one whose foot she ran over was black, he bailed out of the vehicle as she sped off and was run over. One was white, he was in the passenger seat and it was his vehicle she jumped into. When he tried to take the keys she said "if you touch me I'll sue you". The guy in the backseat that remained in the vehicle looked hispanic or possibly of mixed heritage, it was him she was referring to when she said "the black kid was driving".

[pitohui]

62. ok thanks i appreciate the clarification

no teevee here, just heard gossip that the kids were black, esp. "the black kid was driving" line -- which seemed esp. shitty

either way, she stinks!!!! and i don't believe an unknown black young man would have received the deal she received, ain't no way

[idgiehkt]

64. I watched the videos online at tmz

I haven't seen anything on tv about it. It is really harrowing because they talk about her flying down the road through about 8 or 9 redlights at about 80 miles an hour...just pure insanity.

[IntravenousDemilo]

80. In the Great White North, DWI is a serious felony, a violation of the Criminal Code of Canada.

Why it's not the same in the United States is beyond me. Is it because the courts think that any restrictions on driving while intoxicated is somehow a violation of constitutional rights? Are people of the attitude: "How dare you tell me I can't get blotto and then get behind the wheel of MY car?" Is it a freedom of expression issue? A property-rights thing?

[DS1]

12. probably flashed the judge some firecrotch

[kay1864]

16. Sadly not possible

She shaves off her fire :cry: :cry: :cry:

[KitchenWitch]

13. That is awful

And I am afraid that judge has signed her death warrant.

[ronnykmarshall]

14. or anyone that is on the street.

[KitchenWitch]

17. That too.

I think she probably will take some people out, but ultimately she will die of her addiction as well.

:banghead:

I wish you did not live so close to all that.

[ronnykmarshall]

53. I was going to say that we don't go out that much ...

But that really wouldn't matter. By the time we are heading out to work, La Lohan and company could be staggering home!

[idgiehkt]

61. oh my god

I thought you lived in Vegas. I just checked your profile and now I realize you really do have to look out for types like her. Gawd, what was that publicitaunte that mowed down all those people in her SUV? Lizzy Grubman or something? I think she might be on the east coast but I don't know. Money talks... I couldn't believe the verdict on that one either.

[Pierre.Suave]

23. Move this to GD

but wait till I get my popcorn ready.

[johnnie]

28. Addictions suck

Sure she should maybe be in jail, but it doesn't solve the problem.

[idgiehkt]

31. I believe in her case it is the only thing left that could help her

Because she believes she is immune to consequences, so she really needs some to wake her up.

[kay1864]

34. She should be jailed because of her beliefs about consequences?

Or to save her from herself?

Me, I think people should be jailed only for actual crimes. Not to teach them a lesson. Or "wake them up".

[idgiehkt]

39. Well, that's funny

The whole point of jail is to "teach people a lesson", "wake them up", etc. That's the point of punishment. Lack of evidence of a crime doesn't mean no crime, it means a lack of evidence.

[kay1864]

43. Actually, legally it *does* mean no crime

Any other venue (media, court of public opinion, whatever) doesn't result in jail time.

Scary if you actually think people should be put in jail solely to teach them a lesson or wake them up.

[idgiehkt]

45. in reality it means they got away with it.

no it isn't 'scary' to think of jail as punishment, that's why it's called the penal system and the penal code. Other than protecting society from them those are the reasons. That is the part that comes after conviction, and it's why there are different sentences for different crimes.

[kay1864]

48. Yep, punishment for actual *crimes*

Not solely to teach a lesson or "wake someone up".

By the way, you changed your words from "teach a lesson/wake up" to "punishment". They're not synonymous.

[idgiehkt]

50. I was trying to trick you, see, and you caught me

:eyes:

I prefer the former, though our system, if the truth be told, runs more on the latter. I don't think there is much 'teaching of lessons' going on in the penal system but I'd like to see much more of a focus on rehabilitation.

[kay1864]

51. What you call "trick" I call

"specious"

[idgiehkt]

52. I think you are looking for deception where there is none.

which is kind of sad.

[kay1864]

65. Sorry, not looking for that at all

Not implying any intent on your part. Just pointing out that one word does not mean the other. And that changing them weakens rather than improves your argument.

Either way, jail is not there to teach misbehaving young women a lesson. It's there to punish for crimes one is convicted of.

[idgiehkt]

66. this is a lot worse than misbehavior

And I think the decisions not to bring more charges against her for this will cost her and possibly others in the end. If she ever has the grace to get sober, she will look back and probably be apalled no one cared enough about her to step in.

I don't think those terms weakened or improved my argument, to me they are interchangeable and equally descriptive. It's very cloying to refer to Lindsay Lohan as a "misbehaving young woman" after this event. Do you think that is part of the problem, that because she is female it is perceived that she in incapable of seriously harming others or herself because she is "just a girl"?

[kay1864]

68. In real life they're not interchangeable

"teach a lesson/wake up" are not the same as "punishment". Jail is for punishment, not for "wake up calls". You started with one phrase, then switched to the other.

Once again, it wasn't a "decision not to bring more charges". It's existing departmental policy of the DA's office. Once the facts were in, that was the only outcome.

Nor is it the DA's job to "step in" and save her. Someone else's, maybe, but not his.

If you'll read carefully, I was not calling her a "misbehaving young woman". I was tying it to your concept of "teaching a lesson", which you seem to think is a valid reason for putting someone in jail.

[idgiehkt]

71. yes they are

legally they are not, as you've so graciously pointed out, but in real life people use them interchangeably all the time. When you are arguing shades of meaning like this in a thread about a coked up celebutante running over people, you've kind of missed the ENTIRE point but you probably didn't notice. As masturbation is a solitary affair I'll leave you to it, as I have a test to study for in 'real life', not to mention PMS so your wankerisms are pissing me off more than they normally would at a different time of the month.

[kay1864]

75. And you've kind of missed the other entire point

Which is that we're talking about jail here (a legal construct), and that you originally advocated jail time as a wake up call. As I've tried to point out to you, that's not its purpose.

If you agree that the purpose of jail is punishment for a crime (and not to "teach a lesson"), then you must agree that there must also be an actual crime that one is charged with and convicted of. Otherwise it's just vengeful lesson-teaching. Which truly is scary.

And hence the lack of interchangeability.

But the idea that she must be legally charged with a crime seems to be less important to you than that she must somehow pay for whatever you think she's done.

And that's sad.

[ronnykmarshall]

73. So we wait until she KILLS someone?

Sorry, but I live in the area where this asshole hangs out and drives. If she hits me and or someone I love for her "misbehaving" I'll be happy to print out your compassion for this "poor little thing" and know just where to stick it.

[kay1864]

76. And the alternative is....?

What? Jail her because you're sure she's going to kill someone in the future? Should we jail everyone else you are sure is going to get drunk and kill someone? If not, why is she any different from any other "future killer"?

My "compassion" is for the legal system, not Ms. Lohan. Try some reading comprehension before you hurl insults.

As for the term "misbehaving", please see my post #68 just above.

[kay1864]

44. Delete-duplicate

[ronnykmarshall]

74. Yeah a slap on the wrist is sure gonna help her ass.

By the way, she pleaed it down and got FOUR days in jail. Which means she'll get three. And to follow her pal Nicole "Wrong Way" Richie, she'll walk in, do a couple of hours and leave.

WOW! That's justice.

Can I ask that she move to YOUR city?

Sorry, but I don't really want to worry about another spoiled little celb getting fucked up and possibly killing me with her car.

Let me know hon, and I'll send Nicole, Paris and Lindsey the best real estate estate, bars and drug connections near you.

[johnnie]

47. Some say an addiction is a mental illness

Should people with mental illness be jailed to learn a lesson?

Honestly, I understand why people are pissed about how the "other half" has a different set of rules, but to be fair, they should also then be looked at as equals even in the case of mental illness.

I guess I am playing devil's advocate a little here, but at the same time I think if people are going to stand up for the "little people" they should also consider the other half in certain situations.

It is well-known that Lohan's father had a lot of addiction problems and now he is on record saying that he is to blame for his daughter's problems because of his illness. I just wonder what it is going to be? Speak out against illnesses like this or only for the people who aren't famous?

[idgiehkt]

49. It's an illness, that much I agree with.

(edited out the personal info cause it's been here long enough for folks to read it)

The article suggests to me that Lohan is checking into rehab as part of 'working the system', and I'm saying that as someone who has been in recovery for 15 years and known addicts/alcoholics who freely admit to doing this, calling it one of those "28 day vacations" or " a month of R&R". It is not because I don't understand addiction, but because I DO, that I am saying these things. Many times jail, even a night in jail, will wake up an alcoholic or an addict to their behavior, I've seen it time and time again, in a way that landing in detox or treatment can't.

Lohan's father's addiction is only relevant to hers in a genetic sense. His behavior may have given her cause to be in flight from reality, but the chemical addiction that is in her body is something she, and only she, can deal with.

[HughBeaumont]

33. Two sets of rules for sure.

One for us. The other for the rich.

Don't believe me? Read Perfectly Legal by David Cay Johnston sometime. The rich truly DO have their own set of rules.

Getting caught with cocaine would mean the end of our lives.

For her, it means more work after yet another rehab which she'll fail at. Or an early death. Whichever comes first.

[kay1864]

37. Two sets of rules? Probably. But not with regard to the cocaine.

See post #9 above.

[idgiehkt]

40. thanks for bringing up that book,

I keep meaning to read it, it is supposed to be a brilliant one.

:hi:

[Deja Q]

42. Well, at least she can still vote...

:crazy:

Geez. Multiple drunk driving, possession of coke, what else...

Just don't say anything bad about them on a certain mainstream media site...

[pitohui]

54. i wonder if there was a pay off involved

almost has to be, this is way light for TWO DUIs isn't it?

plus i forgot about the abduction of the black kids and chasing the mom down in the street -- that should be a felony -- it's assault!

we've had black kids charged w. attempted murder for trying to drive off in the direction of a police officer, can you imagine a black kid giving somebody's mom chase in a car what he'd be charged with?

but for some reason it's okay for her to do it

i just don't see it

[ronnykmarshall]

58. A LOT of people are being paid off.

Several lawsuits were filed but the young men in the car and by the people she chased.

She's probably paid them off.

One good thing, her "acting" career is over!

[pitohui]

63. ha she won't be missed ! EOM

.

[KamaAina]

67. Especially when you consider how hard they're coming down on Nicole Richie

Paris Hilton's catamite is getting 90 hours. 90 hours! That's nearly four full days! And here's Lohan getting off practically scot-free with only one?! The injustice! Where is the outrage?!

:sarcasm:

[KamaAina]

72. Update: The catamite is out after *82 minutes*!!!!

This has got to be some kind of world record. :puke:

http://omg.yahoo.com/nicole-richie-quickly-sprung-from-jail/news/1935

LYNWOOD, Calif. - Nicole Richie was released from jail Thursday after serving 82 minutes of a four-day sentence for driving under the influence of drugs.

The reality show star, who checked into jail in this Los Angeles suburb at 3:15 p.m., was released at 4:37 p.m. "based on her sentence and federal guidelines," Los Angeles County Sheriff's Deputy Maribel Rizo said without elaborating.

Federal guidelines?! This is a state charge, doofus! :wtf:

When asked whether Richie, who is four months pregnant, spent her brief sentence in a jail cell, Rizo replied: "I have no further comment."

In other words, probably not. :grr:

Richie, the daughter of Lionel Richie, told authorities she had smoked marijuana and taken the prescription painkiller Vicodin, a CHP officer said at the time. No drugs were found on her or in the car.

I must say, it does warm the cockles of my heart to know that mixed-race parasitic wastes of oxygen can get the same kid-glove treatment as white ones. What a country we live in! :sarcasm:

[cmkramer]

79. FWIW

Nicole Ritchie is adopted. Supposedly her mom used to bring her backstage at Lionel's concerts and he and his then-wife became so fond of her, that they asked Nicole's biological mom if they could adopt her.

Rumor has it that her biological dad is the brother of Sheila E who played percussion for Prince and a big hit with "The Glamorous Life" back in the 1980's.

[BarenakedLady]

69. Wow

What about the stealing the car, kidnapping, and hit and run?

Or did I dream all that?

:shrug:

[ronnykmarshall]

77. No you didn't

but we must send our "compassion for the legal system".

[kay1864]

78. Still working on that comprehension thing?

My post is up above, BTW.