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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 04:19 PM
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Need to Vent! Ignorance, Nudity, and Natalie Portman!
Theres a person I use to work with. A co-worker of mine is still friends with this jerk. Him and I use to get into about politics.He is a nut, a Bush defender, and a wannabe freeper.Today, he came in to visit this co worker. Seems like the only thing we can talk about and seem to have in common are movies.For someone who is so anti Hollywood he really like films and actually has pretty good taste in them as well. Well, one of the few working actors today we both respect is Natalie Portman.We both think Natalie is not only a great actress we both feel she has a old Hollywood quality which is lacking in so many younger stars today.Well, he came in almost in tears telling me that he hopes this is not rue but fears it is. I thought something bad had happened to her. Turns out Natalie Portman has done a nude scene in a movie. I could not believe this was it. Had to be something more. Nope, he was devastated.

He informed me that he posted on a message boards and has begun a online campaign to turn all her fans against her for making this choice. I asked him what his problem was. I feel this country has such a prudish attitude towards nudity. I told him he is an ignorant fool. Only a moron equates nudity with sex. I love nudity,both male and female. Anyway, I went home and checked out one of the sites he posted on and sure enough, I found it. heres what he wrote.

"I hope it is not true, from all of my heart. Why would Natalie, a serious girl who started her career so well end up in such dirty movies, for what reason... For working with Anderson? Anderson is a nobody if he makes such movies, he is more shallow than his comedies."

"Would you be alright to see your girlfriend, your kid, your sister or your mom doing nude scenes? You guys don't understand something: these people need to have normal lives, like you and me. As you and I don't go naked at our jobs so they don't need to. I can't remember a movie with a nude scene where the scene was really needed and added something important, if the movie is good and you cut that scene it still remains good. There is nothing you can do nude and you can't express with clothes on, even sensuality, not that I promote it, it's only an example -- unless one really wants to be a porn star like Garcia Bernal, he indeed has to show his genitals. You don't need to do nude scenes and it's only bad for you and many others. You have to understand this.

The main reasons we have so many nude scenes nowadays are:

1. We live in a world marked by sin, most people live in strange on-off relationships, they like to see naked bodies on the screen, they like to get sexually excited, and they identify with the story.

2. Most directors are actually filthy and they invent such scenes to see beautiful actresses naked.

3. Sometimes actresses want to play nude because they are beautiful and want to show off. It's wrong, and they very probably can't find someone to really love them that way. What they need is to be loved by just one, not seen by thousands.

The fact so many people are bothered by nude scenes should give you a hint it is something wrong with it."

"I made mistakes in my life, some of them small, some of them big, you guys made some mistakes too, and these girls also made a mistake when they played nude, it's just that easy to understand. It's not about the century we are living in, there are some values that remain in every century, every culture, and it has to be this way otherwise we are lost in a Universe where everything is relative. There are some things about fashion which change, or taste, and there are others that will always remain good, like loving and helping and respecting each other, or always remain bad, like envy or the ambition to dominate.

Freedom doesn't mean the absence of rules, it means a good set of rules that control your environment in a way that allows you to express yourself or to experience something good. The train runs the best when it stays on its track. If one day it gets bored and at full speed it says "I want more freedom" imagine what happens to it and to people inside. I don't believe in playing nude when your family suffers. I don't believe in anything you do to satisfy some needs you have if you make your dears suffer. One of the values that crosses centuries is to sacrifice yourself for your dear ones, I believe in that, and everyone I saw doing it was a very happy person, even if was going through tough times.

This is actually real love, to be able to sacrifice yourself for the others. The idea promoted by Hollywood is something like a feeling, or magnetic waves, it is simply pleasure, an experience, and they make the shallow step to most of the time identify it with sexuality. Whereas love, in every form of it, including sexuality, means unity, like rivers when they unite, and this is why it is always about commitment, at least for life, or forever. If you want to understand, understand, some people grow old and still don't. Those who do understand are the right ones.

Anyway, I am at a loss for words. I told this co-worker NEVER bring this SOB to work again. There are just no words.

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 04:38 PM
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1. Potential stalker.
Obsessed with a "clean" image of his favorite starlet, and unable either to articulate his objections or to stop trying to articulate them. "You have to understand this."

Creepy.
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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 04:43 PM
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2. He is very creepy
He mentions ALOT of young female stars. He has never had a girlfriend that I have known of in the three years I have known him.I guess what really pushed me over the edge is I know alot of people feel this way towards nudity in general.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 04:45 PM
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3. shes hurting her family how exactly?
:wtf:
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 04:46 PM
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4. He's definitely got the madonna/whore dichotomy working
If I were Natalie's security, I'd be keeping an eye out for stuff like this.

And he's never had a girlfriend? Yuk.
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:43 PM
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5. those are a lot more common than I used to think
I think most men have them on some level, unfortunately.

This statement is scary:
"Sometimes actresses want to play nude because they are beautiful and want to show off. It's wrong, and they very probably can't find someone to really love them that way. What they need is to be loved by just one, not seen by thousands."

I think most famous actresses have plenty of potential suitors. :shrug:

This sounds like something from a fundie religion like Islam. It kind of makes me understand the level of violence obsessive men show if they think they have a right to control a woman's sexual expression. I really despise that whole mindset.
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 03:23 AM
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15. I've never had a girlfriend either
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 03:28 AM by socialdemocrat1981
Why is that yukky? For me the right person has just never come along or I have missed the opportunity. Belive me, I am looking:)

I agree about this guy though
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:43 AM
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20. Bah. Not what I meant
:P

I meant to say that the combo of the m/w syndrome + never had a girlfriend = somebody w/ a very skewed view of women who doesn't relate to us as human beings.

I most certainly did not mean you, SD. :hug:
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 02:46 PM
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33. I know that wasn't in your intention Supernova
I was neither hurt, nor offended by your post and I know you are too good a person to have had anything but good intentions in what you had written. I got the gist of your whole argument, understood what you were trying to say and was largely in agreement with it but just wanted to clarify -that's all:yourock: :hug:
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sanguinivorous Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:21 AM
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17. There are a lot of decent guys out there...
...who haven't had girlfriends.

That in and of itself doesn't make them "yukky".
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:57 AM
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22. Welcome to DU, sanguinivorous
:hi:

Again, my meaning got muddled. Men who can only think of women as saintly beings too beautiful for sex or prostitutes who beg for it 24/7 and don't bother to enage with us in relationships tend be the stalker types.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:44 PM
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6. I think I saw the movie where she was naked
She's got a beautiful body - why shouldn't she flaunt it

:shrug:

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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:06 PM
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7. This guy really needs to get a life
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 08:07 PM by fujiyama
and I agree that her security has to look out for real weirdos like this.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:00 PM
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8. ok -- this guy is a prime example of the lunacy that's gripped this country --
he certainly doesn't live in reality.

i'm oficially creeped out by this guy -- he makes my skin crawl.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:42 PM
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9. What a fucking nut
Proves that not all male freepers are just pigs who "wanna see titties", but some are very deeply disturbed sexually repressed creatures.

Does he know that "America's Sweetheart" Reese Witherspoon has done nudity too? Tell him....maybe he'll off himself.

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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:47 PM
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10. Old Hollywood? TCM just showed 1933's Ecstasy with Hedy Lamarr.
75 years ago with nude scenes by Hedy; quite notorious and shocking for the folks back then, nowadays it's harmless.

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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:49 PM
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11. No pics in the OP and too many words, so I just hit reply to say I support you
Because mentioning nude and portman together will always garner my support.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:50 PM
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12. Natalie Portman naked? Alright!

Oh, sorry. I guess I should have taken the thread more seriously. My take is that the guy harbors the same suppressed bullshit that makes fundamentalists and right-tards.


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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:03 PM
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13. Wow, it's crazy the amount of emotion this dude
has invested in not wanting Natalie Portman to have done a nude scene! What will be funny is if it turns out she hasn't done one anyway? I remember reading that she originally shot some of the stripper scenes in Closer nude, but she and/or the director eventually decided to edit them before release. Since the guy's post mentioned "Anderson", I checked on imdb and saw that she is featured in a minor role in an upcoming Wes Anderson movie called The Darjeeling Limited, but checking the discussion boards for that movie, none of the threads mentioning NP seem to say anything about her doing a nude scene. It will be funny if he is getting all worked up about something that turns out to be a rumor. Anyway, I don't have any words for the guy's very intense feelings on the subject, except that he sounds a little obsessed and seems to have given the subject more thought than is healthy!
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:33 AM
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14. Loan him a copy of Blake Edward's "SOB".
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ironflange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:49 AM
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23. Why? OK, I'll check Google. . .
OMFG! SWEET JULIE ANDREWS FLASHES HER BOOBS!! HORRORS!!!!

Just kidding. I thought that was great, and she was glad she did it. What's more, she certainly had nothing to be ashamed of. :evilgrin:


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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:13 AM
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16. Natalie will be so crushed
I mean, really, how will she survive financially if he no longer goes to her movies? It's sad. Poor girl's life will never be the same. :sarcasm: That guy probably goes into museums and demands they cover the paintings and statues of nudes.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 04:27 AM
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18. Funny...I LIKE nudity...
Okay, I could live without seeing some people nude.

Sheesh. Some people desperately need a life.

And I agree with some of the other posters on this thread. This guy has some serious emotional issues that could make him dangerous.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:00 AM
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19. Does he know that Natalie Portman is a ferocious liberal?
I would think that would have been enough to cool his ardor.
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Pierre.Suave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:52 AM
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21. DAMN
what movie is this and why hvae I not seen it yet? Natalie Portman is BEAUTIFUL and I would not pass up an opportunity to see her naked, lol.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:54 AM
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24. he really personalizing this, he sounds way creepy.
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Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:16 AM
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25. The guy sounds like a complete loon
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 10:17 AM by Rob H.
It's one thing if he's ashamed of his own body and thinks that nudity is "dirty" and/or "wrong", but he needs to remember that regardless of what he thinks, she agreed to do it. She's an adult and can make her own decisions, much to his obvious horror and outrage. I feel sorry for whatever woman dates/marries this guy--he sounds like he has the all the makings of a serious control freak.

And I have to confess that the reptile part of my brain sees the words "nudity" and "Natalie Portman" and thinks, "Yes, please!" Hey, I'm only human. ;)
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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:01 AM
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26. Heh, you should tell him to watch "Leon"
"Why would Natalie, a serious girl who started her career so well end up in such dirty movies, for what reason..."

Blow his mind. (For those who haven't seen it, no nudity but fairly creepy level of precocious sexuality by a 12 year old Portman)

If he's going to get up in arms about how Natalie Portman is portrayed in a movie, couldn't he just hate George Lucas for making her recite all that ridiculous dialog with a flat affect that would make Keannu jealous?
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:11 AM
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27. Wow, talk about an unhealthy obsession
It always creeps me out when people identify so closely with a celebrity that they think they have some kind of right to dictate what that celebrity is doing.

It also really irritates me that his whole screed is directed at "actresses" who play nude scenes - apprently, there's nothing wrong with guys being nude or at least not enough to mention.

Guy's got some serious problems. :puke:
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Tyrone Slothrop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:14 AM
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28. How utterly ironic!
Considering that said movie (Goya's Ghosts) concerns "a police state built on social injustice relying on pretended moral puritanism in order to save the system"...

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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:39 PM
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29. Riiight
Really tittilating - the Inquisition. I'd feel better if it was happy,
fun stuff.

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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:58 PM
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30. Heh, that fool's going to live a very lonely and depressed life
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 01:59 PM by Downtown Hound
I actually pity him. I'd pity him more if he didn't vote Republican and make millions of others as lonely, depressed, and miserable as he is.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 02:04 PM
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31. "Would you be alright to see your girlfriend, your kid, your sister or your mom ..."
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 02:04 PM by redqueen
Yes, they're your property, goddamnit! How DARE they share what doesn't belong to them?!
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mentalsolstice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 02:12 PM
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32. Your co-worker's friend is John Ashcroft? Cool!
Next time he visits, ask him what really happened in the hospital room. :eyes:
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