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Rising Phoenix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 05:42 PM
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are you a pacifist?
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 05:45 PM
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1. Not quite
Depends, I suppose. I know some people say pacifists think there should be no fighting, full stop. If that is so, then I am not a pacifist. I do not criticise soldiers for being violent, because that is part of the proper execution of their duty. Wars happen, though it is important not to start them. But I do believe in nonviolence: I will not harm another creature without need. Even if I do not like them.
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Rising Phoenix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 05:47 PM
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2. I agree with you
I do not blame solders for doing their job....however, unless in self defense....I don't believe in violence of any kind
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 05:50 PM
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3. I'm not fond of war
And as a student of history, I think its pretty well evident that every war that's been fought could have been prevented in one way or another.

That said, I do feel there are times when the situation becomes one where wars need to be fought. I would prefer that not to happen and I'm a firm supporter of working on issues to avoid those situations.

I guess what I feel is that pacifism is a wonderful concept but I question whether the human race is capable of attaining it. Not a very satisfactory answer, huh? :(
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:21 PM
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18. I thought it was an interesting answer
There are no just wars?

How about WWII? Either the ETO or the PTO.



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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 11:28 AM
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24. I didn't say there were no just wars
Edited on Mon Sep-10-07 11:29 AM by skygazer
I did say that virtually all of them could have been prevented. WWII is a prime example - it was the direct result of the end of WWI, the Versailles Treaty which initiated a series of events that led to the rise of Hitler. That could have been foreseen - in fact, it was foreseen by quite a few people of the time. However, the desire for retribution was too strong and Germany was socked with a lot of very harsh terms that it could not possibly meet. That fostered resentment and, with the worldwide depression that followed, desperation.

Desperation leads people to support people like Hitler.

You can't look at any war in a vacuum. Looked at only from the lens of 1939 on, of course WWII would be considered a "just" war. But it didn't really start in 1939 - it started long before then, just as the Civil War started when the Founding Fathers decided NOT to abolish slavery.

edited to add - this is what I mean by those situations where one has to fight. It would have been a crime NOT to oppose Hitler.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 05:50 PM
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4. nope
But i have a long fuse.
So long it normally gives me time to stomp it out before it explodes
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 05:51 PM
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5. Yes. nt
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:00 PM
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6. Not just no, but HELL NO!!
Sometimes violence is all some people understand. They have a short somewhere in their brain that doesn't allow them to see or understand logic and/or compromise. They are bound and determined to fight, and you literally have to beat the hell out of them to resolve anything.

I worked as a bouncer in a biker bar for 6 years full time & 2 years part time. I found through experience that you can reason with 99% of the people and avoid violent confrontation, but there's just that 1% that you have to beat the shit out of, no matter what you try to do otherwise. It sets an example for the other 99%, too...
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:09 PM
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17. yes it's that stupid 1 % that spoils it all for everyone
Edited on Sun Sep-09-07 09:10 PM by pitohui
the overwhelming majority of people are decent but there's that hard core of people who are just evil, for lack of a better word

you won't stop them from raping your dog by asking nicely, you stop them from raping the dog by sticking a shotgun in their ear

(not entirely hypothetical, yes, i knew a creep who raped a dog! his sister's dog! can you imagine?)
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:02 PM
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7. nope
I believe in the right to defend yourself and your country.

I'm a believer in the principle of "just war"

Pacifism is not me. I begrudge no one for having pacifist beliefs, in fact I admire them in a way, I just don't.
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:05 PM
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8. No
Maybe I come damn close but, no I could not be called a pacifist.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:10 PM
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Nope but I is purdy close to it an I'll smeck ya in yer schnoz if ya gimme crap about it
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:10 PM
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9. Not strictly, but whenever possible. n/t
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:12 PM
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10. No. I'm a gulf of mexicoist.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:13 PM
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12. more of a carribeanist myself
or an Atlanticist

or

:yoiks:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:14 PM
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13. HOMIE!
Well....close, anyway.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:12 PM
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11. Yes.
Except verbally.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:28 PM
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14. Not in the strictest definition of the term
I don't like to fight, and I always favor diplomacy in the realm of international affairs over military force. But sometimes self defense is necessary, and it's perfectly okay in my book. I've been in fights in my life, and I don't regret doing what I did.

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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:31 PM
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15. Absolutely, I am
And I will kick anyone's ass who says otherwise.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:31 PM
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16. Fighting should be the last option. To pacifists, it's NO option. So, no, I'm not.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:24 PM
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19. I am, theoretically. I'm just not very good at it. nt
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:36 PM
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20. No, I'm peaceful.
I support people that find it necessary to use violence to defend themselves against aggression. I believe that a peaceful civilization must retain an edge of controlled violence in order to maintain that peace. I believe that those that beat their swords into plowshares will wind up plowing for those that didn't.

But none of that supports either instigating violence or seeking it out.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:41 PM
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21. Mostly
Before I discovered Buddhism, no. Afterwords, yes, though I've had my (very few) moments.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:42 PM
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22. I am rather close.
I despise war. Any war. Even the 'good' wars, because inevitably innocent people will be killed either way.
However, I acknowledge that some wars need to be fought. It is an unfortunate state of affairs, and I would rather that it were not so.
How about you?
:hug:
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:02 AM
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23. I believe the only acceptable violence is defense.
Not sure if that qualifies me as a pacifist or not.
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av8rdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:02 PM
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25. I am not a pacifist. HOWEVER...
Too often war has been used as just another instrument of foreign policy. That is so wrong. There are situations that justify war - as an absolute last resort when your population or nation are at imminent risk. Nothing short of that justifies it.
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