God I hate that jerk Han Solo. No flames please.

[Deja Q]

He fired at Greedo first, you know! :P



(not the most convincing retcon, I must say...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_shot_first

[pokerfan]

1. Han shot first, dammit!

[Kutjara]

2. This is precisely why Star Trek is better than Star Wars.

Star Wars weapons have no stun setting. And the hyperdrive never works. And there are no transporters. And no sexy Vulcans. Or sexy Borg.

Third rate universe if you ask me.

[jobycom]

3. Was Will Wheaton in Star Wars?

The defence rests.

[Kutjara]

4. Crap. Good point.

I will now retire to reconsider my position.

[Orrex]

6. I was about to mention Jake Lloyd, but...

Then I remembered that kid who played Alexander.

:shudder:

[Fire Walk With Me]

15. OUCH! That was completely below the belt, but it had to be done.

[pokerfan]

44. Oh my fucking gawd! I am Wesley Crusher!

I just took this test:

http://www.tk421.net/character/

I'm going to go kill myself now.

[FloridaJudy]

46. I'm Gandalf

Cool....way cool.

[pokerfan]

49. Dammit, I wanted to be Gandalf

not some whiny nerdy twit.

[GCP]

47. Wow - I'm James T. Kirk

Excellent :toast:

An impassioned commander with more respect for individuals than for authority, you have a no-holds-barred approach to life and its obstacles.

I don't believe in the no-win scenario.

[Spacemom]

48. I'm Galadriel

Galadriel

Possessing a rare combination of wisdom and humility, while serenely dominating your environment you selflessly use your powers to care for others.

Even the smallest person can change the course of the future.

wow. I'm a hot elf chick. :P

[Orrex]

5. Imperial weapons do indeed have a stun setting, you poser!

How else do you explain Princess Leia's capture in EPIV?


Pffft!

[Kutjara]

10. Thanks for the info. But that brings up another question.

The evil Empire has weapons with stun settings, but good guys like Han Solo and the Rebel Alliance don't? Maybe we misjudged who the good guys are.

[pokerfan]

16. Context is everything

Of course the Empire has non lethal weapons. They have the budget and their aim was to enslave.

The rebels and pirates like HS have cruder weapons.

Han's shooting of Greedo was self defense no matter who shot first.

[Archae]

7. Stormtrooper's rifles have a stun setting.

Leia got shot in the first few minutes of "A New Hope," and was brought to Darth Vader.

(Instead of the usual bolt, it was a circle.)

[pokerfan]

14. Babylon 5 beats them both

No cute kids or robots. Plenty of attractive females without the need for corsets, high heels and implants, NTTAWWT.

[Deja Q]

43. Seconded.

Still, I love Blake's 7 the most... a bit more daring than the rest, all things considered... :D

[Danger Mouse]

8. George Lucas shat all over himself and the original star wars trilogy when he

released those 'special (shitty) editions'...
and by doing so, shat all over his fans.

[Archae]

9. Actually, I have and like BOTH versions.

[Danger Mouse]

11. I don't care for the changes he made, but i realize some are okay with them.

It's bad enough to digitally inset stuff, but when you change plot points just to pander to the kiddies...pandering to the kiddies is what led to Jar-Jar, George.

[LanternWaste]

41. original *and* extra crispy!

So do I.

Now, the most recent three movies? Crap-- all of it. But I do like the first three, original *and* extra crispy!

[jobycom]

12. Eh.

I don't like the changes, but I don't think they kill the films.

The director's cut of Bladerunner kills it for me, I have to say. I know there are people morally opposed to voiceovers, but I find that position silly. Without the voiceover, the film is choppy. It would never have become a classic if the director's cut had been released first, IMHO.

Yeah, that's another subject. So what? :)

[Kutjara]

13. I don't mind the voiceover too much...

...but I prefer the version without the "happy ending" (no termination date for Rachel), which felt blatantly tacked-on and out of keeping with the tone of the film.

[pokerfan]

17. The voice over was cool

like reading Raymond Chandler.

[Orrex]

37. IMO

Voiceovers only work when:

1. They aren't simply decribing what's happening onscreen
2. They aren't simply repeating or rephrasing dialog
3. They aren't telling the viewer what any reasonably intelligent viewer should have been able to figure out anyway
5. They aren't giving superfluous information (eg., tortured ruminations about the human condition, etc.)
5. They aren't telling you how to react to another character (eg., "Freddie was as crooked as they come. I knew I couldn't trust him, but I didn't have a choice." Ho hum.) Exception: If the story is painting the narrator as unreliable, then this could work, but that's very rare in film, I believe

Not a fan, overall. I can count probably one and a half hands the number of films I've seen that really benefited from voiceover narration, and Bladerunner isn't one of them IMO.

[jobycom]

18. I didn't like the new ending. Seemed artificial and sophomoric.

SPOILER!!!! (In case there's someone who hasn't seen both!)



The original ending was more about existence and consciousness. The new ending seemed a cop-out, like some high-schooler trying to be slick and psychadelic. "Wow, man, what if you don't really know if you're real, man, I mean, ever think about that?" That question was already in the film with Rachel, so including it with Decker seemed redundant.

Having Decker--the ultimate skin-job killer--have to deal with an "artificial" life form as an equal was more intriguing to me. Once you take away her programmed death, then what is the difference between a human and a replicant? What is God in that scenario? What is the soul? I thought they weakened that with the more trendy ending in the DC.

The voiceover had problems, but they aren't fixed in the DC. The film is more confusing, less substantial.

Just my opinions.

[Kutjara]

19. You should definitely stay away from the books...

...that were written to "continue the story." Deckard and Rachel emigrate to Mars and try to start a new life. But he gets pulled back to earth to terminate "the sixth replicant" (who was briefly mentioned by Deckard's boss in the film, before being completely forgotten about). Throughout the book, they raise the question of whether Deckard himself is a replicant. The whole story is a total muddle and really poorly thought out. I hope they never base a sequel on them.

[pokerfan]

20. They will just do a remake

with Keanu Reeves as Deckard.

I still can't wrap my mind around Keanu as Klaatu.

[Kutjara]

21. Yeah, that's a noodle-baker all right.

I could just about imagine him as the robot.

And don't even joke about a remake of Bladerunner. Someone might hear you and start getting ideas.

[pokerfan]

22. They're kicking around a remake of Forbidden Planet

These things tend to occur in threes, you know.

[Kutjara]

23. Damn. Hopefully they'll try Plan 9 From Outer Space instead.

It would be interesting to see how they could screw up the worst film ever made.

[Orrex]

34. I've long thought that a serious remake of Plan9 could be excellent

Alas, they'd likely give it to Burton to direct, and he'd fuck it up like everything else he's done since PeeWee's Big Adventure.

[Dr. Strange]

30. Agreed.

It was a chore just making it through the first "sequel".

[Deja Q]

26. Hmmm

The special special edition DVD of The Empire Strikes Back isn't half bad (MacDemid doing the emperor's voice, and even the extra dialogue not ruining the big bombshell revelation at the movie's end), but half of what was put back into episode 4 was pointless and silly, nor can I imagine Jabba being so "nice" compared to how he clearly is in later movies; I suspect Jabba was removed from ep 4 for a good reason.

Not to mention why Return of the Jedi needed any alterations at all...

[Orrex]

35. They should have edited out the Ewoks and the Sy Snootles Band

Other than that EPVI was fine IMO.

[Lethe]

36. it really bothered me when they put hayden as the blue glowie at the end

why'd they have to change that?

[Orrex]

38. Or why not be consistent, at least?

Ewan MacGregor should have been put in Alec Guiness' place. Otherwise it's just stupid.

Well, it would still have been stupid, but at least it would have been consistent.

[Lethe]

39. yep

:shrug:

[deucemagnet]

24. Mal would have fired first.

And I doubt that Joss would have any second thoughts about that.

[Frank Cannon]

25. One of my favorite scenes in Firefly...

is when a bad guy is holding one of our heroes hostage, a gun to her head, and Mal (who's running from Reavers and has no time to discuss anything) just immediately pulls his gun and shoots him dead. None of the dramatic, "tension-building" discussion we've seen in a thousand TV shows.

Firefly had a lot of scenes like that. It was great.

[MrCoffee]

42. Lawrence Dobson (The Bad Guy) didn't die from that shot

In Serenity: Those Left Behind, Dobson (who was blinded in one eye as the result of the shot) returns to conspire with the Hands of Blue to trap Mal. Mal finally kills him.

[Frank Cannon]

45. Ah, that's right

It's been a while since I watched any Firefly.

Still, it was an example of a scene that you just don't see on TV, particularly sci-fi. There were a lot of great moments like that in Firefly.

[mainegreen]

27. Huzzah!

[YankeyMCC]

29. Hands down THE Best captain of any

Ship!

And that coming from a long time Kirk fan.

[cemaphonic]

33. Yeah, he was great

I liked the time that gangster's lieutenant was starting to lay into some speech about how he would hunt them down and drink their blood (instead of delivering a message), so they threw him through a turbine.

[benEzra]

40. I like Firefly better than both... (n/t)

[Orsino]

28. "Jerk? Jerk? I like the sound of that."

"There aren't enough jerks in your life."

[IndianaJones]

31. I kinda like him. nt.

[stuntcat]

32. Han's my first crush

and party because he's a badass :loveya: he shot first