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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 07:03 PM
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Wow-Just Saw "The Brave One"
Think of it as Death Wish with Jody Foster playing the role of Charles Bronson or Iris Steensma grows up...


It makes you think about vigilantism... Is it ever justified? How different is it from spontaneous moral outrage... I have no doubt I could hurt or kill someone to protect someone I loved or myself from imminent danger but I don't think I could justify deliberately putting myself in a position where I had to...
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militaryspouse Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:46 PM
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1. we
saw it tonight too. some parts were pretty funny.."if you're gonna shoot someone make sure it's legal(gun)'
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 06:07 AM
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10. I Like When She Said "I Want My Dog Back."
eom
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bluedigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 12:04 AM
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2. Jodie was on The Daily Show Thursday night
and that was her point about the movie too - that it would make people think, without being "polemic" (she claimed).
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 12:11 AM
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3. EVERY vigilante-film maker who wants to appear high-minded...
Edited on Sun Sep-16-07 12:11 AM by regnaD kciN
...will rationalize it as "making people think." Bullshit...the purpose of any vigilante film is emotional, not mental -- the pleasure of getting off on imagining yourself being able to simply exterminate all the "evil" people around you. Whether it's Charles Bronson plugging minority-group street punks or Cate Blanchett executing a high-class (and unarmed) drug dealer is irrelevant. It's the "thrill of the (morally-justified) kill" that draws people in. Saying that it "makes people think" is about as phony as claiming that hardcore porn is meant as "a serious inquiry into the place of sexuality in modern existence."

:eyes:

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bluedigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 01:29 AM
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5. You're right!
It's impossible for any artist to be sincere about anything, of course. I haven't seen the movie and will reserve my opinion until I do.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 02:45 AM
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8. yup
it's why I don't see them
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 12:28 AM
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4. I missed the preview last week, but then saw Jodie Foster and Neil Jordan (director),
plus one of the producers on the Charlie Rose Show for an hour on public broadcasting.

Jodie was also interviewed on a couple of other talk shows. She is beautiful and very poised, plus raising two sons as a single mother. Based on those facts, I thought I might want to see it this weekend, but then I started checking out other review websites, and found this:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/brave_one/

I'll probably go see it anyway, because I do like the actors in the movie and I want to see them for myself.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 01:57 AM
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6. Single mother? Doesn't she have a long-time partner?
If I recall correctly, they've been together for years, raising the kids together. :shrug:
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 06:49 PM
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13. Good catch! I knew she had two sons, but forgot about her partner.
She is an intensely private person and I find that very attractive in others. Me? I'd tell you my life story in a minute...

The other thing I recalled was that she never revealed who the boys' fathers were.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodie_Foster#Personal_life_and_recognition

Thanks for correcting me.

Radio Lady in Oregon

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 06:54 PM
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14. Wow! Check out this picture of Jodie Foster from 1989. She looks SO different!
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 02:33 AM
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7. I didn't much like it
I think it was gratuitous

It alluded pretentiously to a higher moral message, but when push came to shove, just boiled down to an unrealistic appeal to social darwinism, which is the antithesis of civilization.
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 03:08 AM
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9. It just so happens that I found myself in such a position back in January...
I'll try not to bore you with the details, but here it goes:

The night of January 4th, 2007 ( Thursday evening ) I was sitting at the bar down the street. It was Karaoke night, so many of the patrons were lit, like Fish...one of the regulars at the bar. Fish ( his nick-name ) is a 70 year old man who had been mugged several times walking home from the bar. This particular night the bartender asked me to walk Fish home safely. Now, this is something that many of the bar patrons have done in the past, without incident...so I accepted this duty.

I got him to his doorstep where his brother ( another older man ) was waiting with the door open. As I turned around to walk home, this guy from the end of the street walked up to me asking me " Who the fuck are you and what the fuck are you doing here"? I replied that I was a friend of Fish and I was just walking him home safely. Then he got right in my face ( which I don't like ) and repeated his question. I noticed that the man was sweating profusely and his eyes were bulging out of his head, so my first thought was that this guy was either high on coke or he was dusted out of oblivion. I got a little cautious and asked him to step away from me, since he was RIGHT in my face. He refused, so I shoved him back...he then proceeded to pull a six-inch knife on me and started swinging it in my direction ( quick, jabbing motions ) screaming " I'm the security on this block, motherfucker "! I told him repeatedly to calm down and drop the knife. He chased me down to the corner, and when I turned around ( to see if he was still following me ) I saw him go towards the house where I just walked Fish home to ( violent, wielding a six-inch knife and dusted ). I panicked, this was the first time I have ever been in a situation like this, and ran around the corner and up the stairs to my apartment. I was looking for some kind of deterrent ( baseball bat, i.e ) and the very first thing I saw was ( try not to laugh at this ) my roommates civil war replica sword sitting up in the corner of the den ( at the top of the stairs ). I grabbed it, thinking that time was short, and my neighbors were possibly getting stabbed to death at that moment. I put the sword under my trench coat and ran down the stairs.....

Well...as I rounded the corner, someone was shining a flashlight in my face and asked me to stop. I didn't know who it was...they did not identify themselves, and my gut reaction was that it was a crony of the guy with the knife, so I kept walking....the person with the flashlight shouted again "Get your hands out of your pockets"! At that point, I saw the outline of a police uniform pointing a gun and I immediately dropped to the ground and put my hand behind my back...with the sword I was carrying falling to the ground ( sound funny, right? ) Well, they took me into the station and fingerprinted me and I had to hold that silly sign up in front of me ( this is the sort of thing I thought would NEVER happen to me ) I was in shock the entire night. They questioned me, and I told them the truth...that I was just looking out for my neighbors, who weren't able to defend themselves. The cop told me that my crime was coming back to the scene of the crime, and that I should have called the police. I told the cop that " Well, I WOULD have called you guys, but the crackhead with the knife was ALREADY at the house, and what was I supposed to do?" I panicked, and I thought I was doing the right thing. Many of my friends have called what I did "heroic" but I wasn't looking to be a hero that night, I was just trying to do what I felt was the right...no...the JUST thing to do. I ended up going to court over this incident, and paying a $150.00 fine for disorderly conduct. That's what you get for being a nice guy and a concerned neighbor, I suppose....

We really DO need a Charles Bronson this day and age, I guess...but I have learned my lesson. If I suspect that someone I care about is getting stabbed to death, do nothing...just call the police when it may already be too late at that point.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 06:15 AM
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11. You Did What You Thought Was Right And The Powers That Be Did What They Thought Was Right
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militaryspouse Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:42 AM
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12. its all entertainment
nothing more nothing less. I'll analyze and rationalize real life stories.
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