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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:17 PM
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Name a once great TV show that jumped the shark
and when it did so. Mine? The X-Files. Still one of my all time favorite shows but they never should have tried to do it without Mulder. He was the show, and the interest just wasn't there after he left.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:18 PM
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1. The whole last season of Frasier was a mistake.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:35 PM
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4. Everything up to and after the Niles-Daphne hookup was a mistake.
That killed the show, for reasons which should be obvious to some.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:53 PM
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10. The classic shark-jumping move
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 08:54 PM by jgraz
Though that show jumped for me as soon as I found out that Kelsey Grammer was a Republican.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:59 PM
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15. Not quite, but this one is: (Miami CSI)
Episode 209. BAIT (Nov 24 2003)

Synopsis: Four guys are busy getting ready for a fishing trip out on their boat on a slightly misty Miami morning. One of them suddenly spots a woman, Cindy Castiano, clinging to a buoy in the channel. They think it's funny until one of them, a handsome black guy named Ted, sees a shark headed toward her. Jack and Ted yell for her to swim for it, but… too late. The beginning scene of Jaws is enacted and the woman is violently pulled up, and her blood surfaces in a froth of bubbles.

Horatio is surprised there was a shark attack in the marina. The deceased woman lost a chunk out of her right side, so her liver was probably mangled. When they find a bullet wound in her shoulder, it's easy to realize that the blood from that wound drew the shark to her like a fly to honey.

Police divers comb the marina. It was a bull shark that attacked the woman, and bull sharks are known aggressors in shark attacks. Speedle found an ultra-frequency digital wire on the dead woman's body. They'll have to check out other law authorities to see if anybody is missing an agent.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:23 PM
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2. MASH
loved the show, but once Klinger went "straight" and they let Alan Alda take over more control, it got WAY too preachy and WAY not funny. Other harbingers of it's decline: Sherman Potter, Charles Emerson Winchester III, Hot Lips not being Hot Lips anymore, Frank wigging out, Donald Penopscotch(sp?), no more announcement guy like in the movie and first seasons.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:05 PM
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20. Exactly
It became The Alan Alda show... All Alan Alda, all the time- I hate Alan Alda to this day for that -- He destroyed the show.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:56 PM
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39. It wasn't just that
I hated the B.F. Pierce Mobile Salvation Show, too, but they also just plain ran out of ideas. When they had an episode with an inter-camp bowling tournament, I thought, "Okay, enough is enough. Stop the war."

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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:53 PM
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116. I didn't notice the announcment guy was gone.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:24 PM
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3. Buffy.
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 08:25 PM by jgraz
Seasons 6 & 7. :puke:

Marti Noxon is a hack.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:51 PM
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7. Sacriledge!!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:53 PM
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9. They shoulda stopped at 5 (except for the musical)
Now Angel, there's a show that needed a season 6 & 7 (& 8 & 9, etc)
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:55 PM
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12. Season 7 was great!
Naughty!
:spank:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:57 PM
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14. For me it was a pure shark-jump
It actually ruined my enjoyment of the previous seasons. Oh well, that's why everyone has their own brain. :hi:
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Tian Zhuangzhuang Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:01 AM
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41. I liked a lot of six. Killer willow rules.
Now the brats from the seventh season particularly Kennedy needed to be staked pronto.
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Va Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:05 AM
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44. I agree about Kennedy
Never had any empathy for that character
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:02 PM
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17. Agree completely
Awesome show, but I barely made it through the last two seasons.
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Va Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:01 AM
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42. Joss should have ended Buffy after season 5
There were some very good episodes in season 6 and 7 but most were average at best. I did like the last few episodes with Caleb and it was great to see Faith again. Would love to see "Faith The Vampire Slayer".
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 04:01 AM
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60. He wanted to. The fans wouldn't let him. :)
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:07 AM
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67. I agree - the season 5 ending would have been a great way to go out
with Buffy sacrificing herself to save the world "Death is your gift."

I thought season 6 felt anti-climactic after season 5 and it seemed like they tried to pack two (or more) seasons worth of ideas into season 7 because they knew it was the last season. They had too much going on that last season and didn't get into enough depth in a lot of the subplots.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:36 PM
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5. The Daily Show. After they refused to address the reality of election fraud,
the integrity and authenticity of the series died.
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Tian Zhuangzhuang Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:10 AM
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45. For me it was a different day 1-31-07
After the Boston lite-brite scare I eagerly waited for seven pm to see John and friends tear apart some of the worst news coverage I had ever witnessed. Instead it was some unfunny pieces on the Palme trial. I gave them the benefit of the doubt the next night but still all Valerie trail all the time. I realized the show was more interested in informing viewers on what they felt was an uncovered news item then entertainment. It recovered but I never forgot my disappointment for not seeing their take on 1-31-07.



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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:59 PM
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119. Nice sign! Saving it, thanx.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:39 PM
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6. The CBS Evening News; Meet The Press
or as I once saw it called here, "Press the Meat" :rofl:
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:52 PM
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8. Happy Days?
Literally?
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:01 PM
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16. When do you think Happy Days jumped the shark, exactly?
:)
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:04 PM
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19. Not sure, but...
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:06 PM
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21. the first episode
The show tried so hard to be fun and cute that it sort of made me want to scream...
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Va Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:04 AM
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43. When they went to a live studio audience
All downhill from there
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:12 AM
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94. You know what I can't understand about a live audience?
It will be a silent scene. The camera pans over one part of the scene. The audience laughs, then they pan over another part of the scene and the audience just roars! How do they get the audience to do that?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:21 AM
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99. Cattle prods with feathers attached to them. nt
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:01 PM
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120. Applause and Shud-up signs.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:50 PM
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113. When they disappeared Chuck after the first season.
Richie Cunningham was meant to be a little brother.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:42 PM
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28. You know what sucked about Happy Days?
Richie's older brother (was it "Chuck"?) went upstairs during the first season, and never came back down.

I think they killed him in his sleep and hired Fonzie to hide the body. That's why Fonzie didn't pay rent when he moved above the garage. Buncha fucking murdering freaks, if you ask me.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:59 PM
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40. That's why they reversed the house!
It was a smokescreen to make it harder to find Chuck!

:wow:

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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:34 AM
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50. Holy crap! They DID reverse the house!
When Chuck went upstairs, the staircase was on the left of the screen, but later the staircase was on the right! I had forgotten about that. Do you think they moved across the street after they dumped him in the cistern and sprinkled lime over his carcass?
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:54 AM
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56. It was that way for the first two seasons
When the third season started, they'd flipped it around.

I think they buried him under the stairs.

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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:15 AM
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81. He's In A Gym Locker At UWM
Been there since 1957.
The Professor
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:53 PM
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11. St. Elsewhere. Like many ensemble cast shows gone bad, they relied increasingly on bizarre plots
like the one doc being a rapist, etc., a true hallmark of jumping the shark.

More importantly, has the phrase "jumping the shark" jumped the shark? :shrug:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:40 PM
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34. The rapist doctor was actually in one of the earlier seasons
but the final episode was just beyond bizarre.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:29 PM
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127. Asking the question "Has the phrase "jumping the shark" jumped the shark?"
That has jumped the shark.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 08:56 PM
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13. The Simpsons!!!!
The show SHOULD have ended after the 11th season. Most everything up to the from seasons 12 - 16 have been just painful to watch. It's an example of what happens when a show runs out of plot lines.
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:48 AM
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66. Basically when Ned went from good-hearted religious dweeb into a fundamentalist crank
The show also used to handle social and political satire with a soft/deft touch (Sideshow Bob Roberts is a primary example). Now, it seems that every other episode is a heavy handed lecture on some social ill written with no comedic touch.

While hardly equal to the classic seasons, the recent movie at least captured some of the joie ve vivre that made The Simpsons fun to watch.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:52 AM
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111. Also, you could argue that Phil Hartman's death had a lot to do with it.
Even though they weren't the main characters, both Troy McClure and Lionel Hutz were two characters that made the show way more enjoyable to watch.

Also, Homer's transition from being dumb and ignorant to "Jerkass Homer" could have a lot to do with it as well.
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:09 PM
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125. Meant to include Homer's transformation as well in my original post
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 01:21 PM by Mike Daniels
Simply, the writers totally rewrote Ned's, Homer's and to some degree Lisa's personalities to where all three are now boorish and insufferable jerks or know-it-alls (in Lisa's case).

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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:04 PM
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122. Agreed. I was obsessed several years ago. Now I don't even notice that it's on. (nm)
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:04 PM
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18. There's an easier way to do this--
Name one that HASN'T.
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JTG of the PRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:07 PM
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22. Star Trek: The Next Generation
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 09:08 PM by jtg33
In fact, that show has its own reference to the continuing quality of the production named after it. That show "Grew the beard" during Season 2 and it only got better from there. That show ended on the right notes, had the right stories, and it never made too much out of itself.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:19 PM
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26. Well, that's one opinion.
:evilgrin:
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JTG of the PRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:37 PM
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27. You're right! It IS!
:evilgrin:
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:40 AM
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55. Rewatching Next Gen right now. LOVE IT.
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:15 AM
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96. Jumped the shark with the Worf-Troi romance.
That was really pushing it. I think it was pretty good up until the last season, then the cracks showed here and there.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:35 AM
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105. What would their kid look like? Alf? nt
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:29 AM
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102. Hmmm...
season 5 seemed to be a bit pompous; especially after firing sublime composer Ron Jones and a preachy quality to the stories that really got on my nerves...

But, yeah, DS9 and subsequent spinoffs and prequels did make too much out of itself (never mind forget about continuity when forgetting they used the same plot in x number of TNG adventures); and even the movies helped trash continuity TNG fought so hard to properly build.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:42 PM
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36. That's easy.
She's The Sheriff, with Suzanne Somers.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:14 AM
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69. Doctor Who
running since 1964, and STILL hasnt jumped.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:25 AM
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84. In fact it has become even better over time..the new 'new' Doctor Who is brilliant!
..Ecclestone was good, but this new fella is fabulous...
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:28 AM
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86. the writing on seasons 2 and 3 has been stellar
and Tennant's acting is just amazing. That 2 parter where he became human really showed his ability.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:09 PM
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23. ER. nt.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:12 PM
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24. Ya, once you've experienced complete cast turnover I think the show can fairly considered done.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:30 AM
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48. Absolutely....
I stopped watching when they killed off Lucy.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:47 AM
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75. Who's Lucy? I stopped watching when Dr Greene left.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:21 AM
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82. Lucy was the doctor/intern that was played by Kelli Martin...
She was killed and Dr. Carter was nearly killed when a patient suffering from Schizophrenia stabbed them.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:47 AM
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90. Oh yeah!
I remember that. I was still watching then.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 09:15 PM
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25. 24
Married with Children
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:26 AM
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101. 24 is dead to me...
after it turned into days of our lives this past season, I just couldn't stomach it anymore, but the clincher was Chloe saying she was pregs. Ugh! what the fuck? someone is going to "STEAL MY BABY" next season. Can anyone telegraph this sappy plot line anymore?

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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:29 PM
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128. It was obvious the writers were flying by the seat of their pants
The pacing was off, characters appeared and dropped out without even a verbal hint to their fate (what the hell ultimately happened to Logan, much less President Palmer), and motivations for individual characters were all over the place from one episode to the next.

My guess is the writers realized mid-season that the original terror plot wasn't going to last 24 episodes so they ended up having to pad the season with the Chinese/Audrey angle.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:22 PM
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131. yeah, I agree
I think what happened is, the whiners in the audience or the producers wanted more days of our lives action at CTU and because the writers are pretty much one dimensional when it comes to characters personalities, and as a result, it gave the feel that no one new what was going on. Either to the characters or the audience.

I think it just flat out ruined the show. What made 24 a good show was the one dimensional characters. I didn't want high art, I want a twinkie when watching that show.

Sadly, now I need antacid.

Plus they got away from Jack being the center of the show. More fluff going on behind the scenes with more than the usual contrived dribble than what is usually served up. Also the leaps of faith that the writers took with the logic of the show was a massive leap even for them. I can deal with a certain amount of suspension of reality, but last season went from: that's acceptable to what are they frigging kidding me?

I will watch the season opener but if it doesn't grab me and swing me around the room, I'm done.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:15 PM
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29. I am going to burn in hell for this
but Twin Peaks lagged during the second season. :hide:
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:42 PM
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35. I recently watched season 2 on DVD and I've got to agree with you
The first season was so outstanding, and I'd been looking forward to the second season DVD for years. Pretty underwhelming. :(
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ironflange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:58 AM
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77. It did
The show kind of lost its direction in the second season, though there was still enough crazy stuff going on to make it fun to watch.


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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:18 PM
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30. Little House on the Prairie...when they
phased out Charles/Caroline, in favor of Laura and Almanzo....Charles made the show for me, I just loved it when he tried kicking ass...:D
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:31 PM
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31. I have to admit
This was one answer that I never expected to see.

:rofl: :toast:
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:33 PM
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32. Well, you are welcome, :)
:toast:
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:36 AM
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51. Ooops.. Wrong spot
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 12:36 AM by Blue Belle
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nadine_mn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 04:28 PM
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135. I lost interest when more kids kept showing up - Shannon Doherty
killed shows from an early age!!

But seriously - how many frickin' daughters were there - Mary, Laura, Grace (who was always in a high chair) then I think there was another one, plus Adam, then they just started taking in strays

Don't even get me started on Nellie becoming nice and the fake brat Nancy










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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 05:18 PM
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137. To be honest, I was lost after
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 05:30 PM by petersond
season...7 I believe...when Jason Batemans' character got shot(and was close to dying), and Charles went on this weird quest, out into the wilderness to somehow pray/ask for a miracle to save Bateman's character....some Angel came down, and told Charles to make this...monument of sorts, and through some weird special effects, I guess God healed Bateman's character..

It was a weird episode, and I didn't understand much of it...especially when Charles went out into the woods, it just seemed to get crazier, and crazier.....I know LHOTP has some strong religious roots, but that episode just made me roll my eyes...

eta:typo's, clarification..
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 05:25 PM
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139. Adam wasn't their son, I believe...you are thinking of Albert
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 05:26 PM by petersond
more than likely. Adam married Mary in like...season 5 or so. And don't forget Carrie, the third daughter...:) But they did take in a lot of kids, and I can't even remember/recall how many they took in...(it would make my head hurt, I'm series!).....oh, and Caroline lost their first boy a few months after it was born too, so Charles did have a biological son, he just didn't last(I think Ernest Borgnine was in that episode as well)

eta(spelling)
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nadine_mn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 05:36 PM
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140. Thats right Albert was adopted because all of Charles' swimmers were girls
I did like Adam - who Mary met at the blind school...

I knew I forgot a daughter - Carrie...I loved the early seasons when Laura was all buckteeth and trying to fight Nellie
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 05:42 PM
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141. Charles adopted Albert
because he was a street urchin, and Charles felt sorry for him...and later in the seasons, Charles adopted him legally (he fought with Alberts bio father)....
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:39 PM
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33. Ally McBeal
Jumping point? Can't decide if it was when Billy (Gil Bellows) dyed his hair blond, and started doing the Robert Palmer imitation, or when Ally got into sniffing Bon Jovi's behind.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:32 AM
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49. Yes... that was the begining...
When Ally had an illegitimate daughter show up put the nail in that series coffin.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:39 AM
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54. First two years of Ally McBeal were great... then show took a nose dive. Last year was crap
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:43 PM
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37. clearly: Millenium...
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:48 PM
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38. "The West Wing", end of Season 4. They acted out President Barlet's prediction
of Zoe's kidnapping from Season 1 word-for-word.

It was a wonderful show up to then, but went abruptly downhill with the departure of Aaron Sorkin.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:37 AM
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88. i was looking for this post so i could say
Damn right.
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Va Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:16 AM
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46. "Dallas"
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 12:19 AM by Va Lefty
The first 5 years were excellent, but after that the scripts became predictable and almost a parody of itself. Hard to see how it staggered on for another 8 years.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:40 AM
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108. I second that. The show was
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 11:41 AM by LibDemAlways
always campy and over the top, but it was fun campy until they ran out of material and wiped out one whole forgettable season with the "it was all a dream" copout. Then, toward the bitter end, it was just embarrassing. JR marrying a very young country bumpkin at gunpoint? It jumped Jaws with that one.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:30 AM
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47. Gilmore Girls...
When Loralei cheated on Luke with Christopher I knew that it was the beginning of the end.
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Misabel Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:22 AM
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58. Agree with ya, Blue Belle.
I recall an interview, in the middle of the sixth season, where Amy Sherman-Palladino (the creator/executive producer) commented that she had brought on a daughter for Luke as an alternative to an infidelity storyline, because no one would ever believe that Luke would cheat on Lorelai. And then she had Lorelai do just that to Luke. Ugh.
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:22 AM
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83. the entire last season never should have happened!
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:06 PM
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124. Well, Luke the "backwards cap" man is no catch.
Frankly, I find him annoying. My family likes that show, but I call it the Girls (Children)of the Corn show because of that annoying and scaryish sing-songing at the end.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:36 AM
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52. LA Law...
When Arnie and Roxanne hooked up and Rosalind took a dive down the elevator shaft.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:47 AM
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110. Not to mention when Victor and Grace got
married at the end of one season and they were already divorced when the next season began basically because one of them had left the show (don't remember which) in the interim. That was ridiculous.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:38 AM
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53. agree about X files. Also Moonlighting... got all crazy in the last few years.
With Maddie losing the baby, marrying some other guy....etc... Moonlighting jumped the shark big time.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:38 AM
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73. I thought Moonlighting had one great year
and, I just didn't like it after that.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:41 AM
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57. The Golden Girls.
When Rose hooked up with Miles the "History Professor who was really an accountant for the mob under the witness protection program," things really hit the skids. The girls themselves got bitchier and less funny and every other episode seemed to be a "flashback."
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:16 AM
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59. I agree with you
X-Files once Duchovny decided to bag it
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 04:03 AM
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61. Most shows reach that point around season 7 or so.
Some earlier, some later. I was surprised they ended Justice League Unlimited as quickly as they did... but I realized they were trying to prevent that kind of shark-jumping. They had their big showdown with just about every single bad guy... how are you gonna top that?
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qdemn7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 04:53 AM
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62. St. Elsehwere
Series finale, final scene. Boy was I pissed, I could have strangled whoever OK'd that ending for the series. :nuke:
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Omphaloskepsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 05:29 AM
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64. The series finale sucking is like jumping without the shark.
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qdemn7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:23 AM
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65. When
It invalidates the ENTIRE series that went before it, it sure as hell is jumping the shark.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:19 AM
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71. Thank you
I watched that show since the beginning. Never missed an episode. The finale was the biggest "fuck you" any
writer or producer could ever have devised.

It was not cute. It was not clever. It was just bad.



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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 05:19 AM
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63. "Mad About You"
Used to be my favorite show. But when the plot line emerged where Paul and Jamie dabbled with infidelity - - SPLASH - - - jumped the ol' shark, big-time. Having the baby just clinched it.
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1gobluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:40 AM
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74. You're right
It was one of my favorite shows and it just got awful after that. Plus they were always going off and doing things -- like getting that doll in the middle of the night -- with no clues as to what they did with the baby.
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:50 AM
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91. Agree. Mad About You.
The first few seasons were funny, warm, and just plain enjoyable. The chemistry between the two was great. Jamie was strong and independent minded. By the end, she was just plain bitchy. Paul was too!
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 04:25 PM
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133. any time a character has a baby , that's it
or if they "finally get together" , these both remove the tension that allowed the premise of the show.
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 06:09 PM
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142. Yeah, but they were "together" since the series inception
And it was still a great show!

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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:44 PM
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129. Good call!
Totally a different show after that.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:09 AM
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68. LOST
Season #3 dealt way too much with "The Others" and their creepy society PLUS killed off any remaining new people brought on by season #2 (which I thought was a clever way to add new characters for the second season).

I was happy that they did all the episodes all right in a row but I started getting bored after awhile and stopped watching.
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Liberalynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:20 AM
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98. I totally agree.
They also stopped spending enough time with the original characters which was why I started watching in the first place.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:31 AM
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103. I thought the first half of the 3rd season was downright aweful...
but they did redeem themselves with the second half.

I wouldn't say it jumped the shark but they were certainly on the ramp.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:58 PM
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118. I agree with Javaman
They hit the brakes hard after coming dangerously close to jumpin last season. The six episode "miniseason" could have been a decent two episode arc, but turned into a tedious soap opera intended to create nonexistent chemistry between Jack and Kate.

But...the show came back with a vengeance as the season progressed. Michael Emerson and Terry O'Quinn showed terrific acting chops with their portrayals of the two most enigmatic and interesting characters on the show, and the writers regained their ability to work humor into the script without being foolish (Hurley: "Attention Others! Come in, Others!").

I make an exception, of course, for the ludicrous Nikki/Paulo episode, complete with Billy Dee Williams playing himself playing a pimp daddy gangster.
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Arkham House Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:18 AM
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70. Night Court
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 08:18 AM by Arkham House
...the last two seasons--without Reinhold Wigge--were a disaster...before that, it was as funny a shaggy-dog comedy as you could want...
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1gobluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:34 AM
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72. Designing Women
It was never the same after Delta Burke and Jean Smart left.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:52 AM
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76. HOLD YOUR FLAMES - Battlestar Galactica (the new one)
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 09:53 AM by janesez
The first two seasons were frakking AWESOME. The third season was really crappy! Just admit it! You'll feel better!

I agree about X-Files. X-Files is the reason I won't watch Lost. I was such a loyal fan, and they kept taking me down these convoluted pathways that were never resolved, and it got worse and worse until the last few seasons were such a big ole mess they could never have cleared it up. Forget it.
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:39 AM
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89. no need to flame...
the last season of BSG just sucked balls...


I read somewhere a few months ago <sorry I cant link it, i have to remember the gist> that the executive writer, or producer would change scripts a few days beforehand throwing out character development to 'try' new angles he just happened to think of... So thats why the last season made no sense whatsoever...
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:53 AM
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92. I agree that the third season got off track.
But I think it started to come back in the last few episodes. I'm looking forward to the last season.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:22 AM
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100. I agree about Battlestar Galactica
I stopped watching it in the third season after being a rabid fan in the first two. I don't really know what it was, there was just something missing from it.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:44 AM
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109. For me, it was that Starbuck became a complete bitch.
And she was my favorite character before.
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:47 PM
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130. Yeah, what the hell was that?
She was all over the place! A total emotional tornado.
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ironflange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:01 AM
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78. All in the Family
Mike and Gloria move to California. Boom! Show's whole premise is gone. It was sad to see such a seminal part of our culture slowly decay after that.


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ironflange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:06 AM
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79. misplaced
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 10:07 AM by ironflange


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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:28 AM
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85. and then it got worse when they brought in the little girl
to live with the bunkers.

little kids introduced on most sit coms lead to disaster.
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ironflange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:08 AM
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80. Here's an easy formula
Fill in the blanks.

After years of sexual tension, <lead male character> marries/beds <lead female character>. The whole premise of <name of show> is now permanently in the crapper. Viewers tune out in their millions.


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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:36 AM
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87. Northern Exposure
I loved that show, but when Dr. Fleischman moved out of town (eventually back to New York) and Dr. Kapra and his wife came to town... well, it was pretty much a different show from then on.

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:33 AM
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104. You're right. the producers broke the first commandment of writing...
they got rid of the conflict.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:10 AM
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93. Here's two that didn't, IMO
The Mary Tyler Moore Show and Bob Newhart.
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ironflange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:19 AM
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97. Neither did "Newhart"
Best series finale ever, too.


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Liberalynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:15 AM
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95. Charmed
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 11:42 AM by Liberalynn
Around the fourth season totally jumped the shark for me. It IMHO basically never really recovered after they killed off Prue, (Shannen Doherty). Yeah she has a bad reputation but to me Shannen was great in the role of Prue. Then they really wrecked Charmed once and for all with me when they had Cole go evil again, and vanquished him. At that point for me it went from Charmed to Harmed.

Plus From the begining the Halliwells always did some worrying about their appearance and dating, but it was pretty consistently secondary to their catching and vanquishing the demons and warlocks. Reading the spoilers, and reviews from other viewers about season five through eight though, (I couldn't bring myself to actually watch the train wreck, of a once favorite show) it seemed to me at least that their duty and destiny, was put third and fourth, behind their wardrobe concerns, bed hopping, and whining and bitching about how saving lives interfered with their carousing time.

Maybe I am just a sappy old pathetic romantic but I wanted love to conquer all, Cole to stay good, and have he and Phoebe get a happily ever after, and for good to beat evil. I even wrote a series of alternative fan fictions and posted them on a website because I was so disgusted with what was on the air. Probably an Over the top reaction, I know, but it was fun and good writing practice. :rofl:
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:35 AM
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106. Batman ...
when they added BatGirl in the 3rd season. BOOOOOOOOO!
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:16 PM
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126. Yvonne Craig was my first TV crush
3pm every weekday after school (Same Bat Time! Same Bat Channel!) I ran home hoping Batgirl would be on.



Sometimes it was only Catwoman though

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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:38 AM
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107. Small Wonder
before it aired
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annonymous Donating Member (850 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:26 PM
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112. Cheers after Shelly Long left
I hated Kristy Alley's character and stopped watching.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:51 PM
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114. Designing Women after Suzanne Sugarbaker left.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:52 PM
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115. Andy Griffeth when Barney Fife left.
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 12:57 PM by Sequoia
And when it was no longer in B&W.

Little House on the Prairie when Laura got married and all those annoying other children.

The Waltons when the kids got bigger.

All boring old shows I know...but I won't watch the reruns after those times in the show.
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Va Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:58 PM
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117. "Soap"
It was starting to go downhill with Burt being kidnapped by aliens storyline, but really nosedived when Benson left.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:02 PM
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121. Quantum Leap
The finale



Dallas
Guess when? (Shower scene)



Roseanne
Last season




Any show with Ted McGinley




Angel
Angel's son and Fred's possession




Babylon 5
Delenn and Sheridan's romance and "manifest destiny"
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Yog Sothoth Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:05 PM
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123. Sliders
The first 3 seasons were quite good. The fourth season was alright. The fifth season should never have seen daylight.
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Tian Zhuangzhuang Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 04:04 PM
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132. Six Feet Under somewhere during the third season
Esp when Nate confronts his brother in law over his dead wife beyond ugh.... last twenty minutes of the finale rocked though it was a rough 2.5 seasons between those two points.
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 04:27 PM
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134. Law & Order
:shrug:

It's jumped the shark, redeemed itself, jumped the shark again, but since Orbach's absence from the show I think it's forever jumped the shark.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 05:24 PM
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138. Fred Thompson -- that did it for me
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nadine_mn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 04:40 PM
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136. Survivor
After Rupert and Johnny Fairplay....

The All-stars sucked, and what up with sticking someone on an island all alone to look for the stupid idol

after the first couple of seasons, we know the drill - you are going to get dropped off in the middle of bumblefuck with only the clothes on your back - why the hell are people still showing up in high heels, boots, whatever and suitcases???

We all know you can't bring anything to the island - I would layers of clothes, fish hooks for earings, fish net stockings, and a necklace made out of flint.
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