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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:03 PM
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I just watched someone die.
At least, I'm 99.9% sure they're dead.
I'm not sure why I'm posting. I'm just incredibly freaked out.
I was sitting in my kitchen when I heard this huge bang and the house shook. I put on my shoes and ran out the front door, and there was a car plowed in to a tree on the front street.
I ran over, and there was just one guy inside. His airbag didn't deploy.
He looked like he was having a seizure, maybe. My ex was epileptic and thats the only thing I've ever seen that looked like that.
I tried to hold his head up and called 911.
Other people came over and were trying to help. Undid his seatbelt and were checking his pulse.
911 was a fucking nightmare. THey kept asking me a fucking million questions. They asked at least 4 times where the accident was. There's a fire and ambulance station TWO BLOCKS from my house.
Another woman got on the phone with 911 because I was getting distressed with them.
I kept trying to talk to him, feel his breath and his pulse.
He was breathing in huge, shaking gasps, very intermittently.
In retrospect I'm amazed at how calm I was (When not talking to the dispatcher from hell)
Then, as I had my hand on his face, he stopped breathing.
It took the fire truck like, 10 mins. Maybe it was less, it's hard to tell.
But he stopped breathing a few minutes before they arrived.
I didn't know what to do.
No one did.
When help arrived, they pulled him out and did CPR on him for like, 15 minutes or more.
They shocked him 4 times with those paddles once the ambulance arrived.
He never started breathing.
I kept standing there. I felt like a gawker, but I sort of felt... responsible I guess.
I don't know. They took him off. THey're towing the car now.
He looked so young. Like, maybe 30, 35.
I'm just really upset. I didn't know him or anything. BUt, I'm pretty fucking freaked and upset, and worried.
It seems to me, if they did CPR for 15 mins, he's probably not coming around.

.....
that's all I guess
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:05 PM
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1. OMG how awful
What a clusterfuck! If they'd just fucking responded in time maybe he'd be okay.

I'm sorry you had to witness that... but you did everything you could do. More than most people would have done I think.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:06 PM
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2. I was just terrified to move him
I don't know CPR, and what if i move dhim and made it worse you know>
Really scary.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:08 PM
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7. you did the right thing
if you had moved him,it probably would have hurt him worse.If the guy did die-at least he died with people who cared,and not alone.Go find peace.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:26 PM
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42. If it helps any,
as a former ski patroller with advanced first aid training, you probably did the best for him by holding his head and stabilizing the neck.

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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:06 PM
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3. God, how awful.
Don't beat yourself up, though. You did your best to try and help him.

:hug:

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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:08 PM
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6. Thanks
i feel kind of silly posting on the internet
but, what are you gonna do...
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:07 PM
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4. Damn...
:( :hug:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:08 PM
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8. Come over and comfort me
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:07 PM
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5. Omg
What a thing to experience. You did what you could and that's what counts. I don't know how long they'll do CPR before ending it. But it sounds like he wouldn't make it except for a miracle.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:09 PM
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10. It seemed like the CPR lasted forever
it's the only timeline I'm pretty sure about, because at that point I backed off and thought to check my watch and stuff....
yeah....
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:11 PM
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It does
they're not supposed to stop, at least when I trained to ride EMT the rule was you can't stop until a doctor is on scene to stop it.

Ya did what you could, a shame someone just didn't run 2 blocks to get the fire dept.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:12 PM
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16. I think everyone on the scene was a little panicked.
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Cathyclysmic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:09 PM
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9. ...
:hug: You did all you could...
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:10 PM
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13. thanks
and long time no see

the internet is giving me something to do besides be really upset
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:09 PM
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11. Wow - how traumatic this must be for you
At least he probably knew that someone was there for him and that someone cared about him in his last moments. I think you can take some comfort in that. :hug:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:10 PM
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12. I don't think he was aware of anything the whole time
But, if he was, you're right.
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:12 PM
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15. I remember reading this about Lincoln - the last paragraph
Your actions reminded me of that. I think on some level he did know you were there and that he wasn't alone.

http://www.rebacres.com/index.php?page=15&article=17&hide=1
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:30 PM
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99. I have no idea if it's true or not....
But it's beautiful and moving.
Duckie
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 12:05 AM
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112. I wonder if this is true...it is from the same site...
You cannot strengthen the weak
By weakening the strong.
You cannot help small men
By tearing down big men.
You cannot help the poor
By destroying the rich.
You cannot lift up the wage earner
By pulling down the wage payer.
You cannot keep out of trouble
By spending more than your income.
You cannot further the brotherhood
Of men by inciting class hatreds.
- Abraham Lincoln

Nice link...thanks

s_

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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:24 AM
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116. I have read the original story I posted in books about Lincoln
It was just easier to Google the quote than lay hands on my Lincoln books at the time to search for it.
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:11 PM
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14. I've been there
It sucks. :hug:

You did what you could. :hug:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:19 PM
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25. Maybe I need to learn CPR
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:25 PM
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38. I took it years ago
I probably know enough to do it now but I might need a refresher course. But with a brain injury, like it sounds like he had, at least from all the seizure activity...

I lived in a trailer park about ten years ago and the trailer across the street caught fire. The mom got her kids out but the little kid ran back in there and he ended up dying. I was there before we realized he'd gone back in... To this day I still wonder if there was more I could have done, it just all happened so fast. It's just an awful thing to witness and it seems like there is always some lingering sadness and feeling like I should have been able to get the kid out somehow, I'm sure everyone that was there feels that way, it just all went so fast.
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BelleCarolinaPeridot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:11 AM
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78. You did your best .
:hug: I know you are freaked out ... and there are no words to say to comfort because sometimes that's life. When my mom had her aneurysm nearly a year ago , my friends just rallied around me and let me vent because there were no words.

I learned CPR this past year and its something good to learn.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:13 PM
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17. Wow. That's very real
You did everything you could.

Hopefully as the shock fades you'll feel a little better.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:20 PM
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27. I keep thinking, someone out there has got a call
and is way, way more upset than I am. Trying to give myself a reality check
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Mugu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:13 PM
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18. I was sitting with my dad in the emergency waiting room when he dropped.
I took him there because he had a pain in his butt, just above the hip pocket. I will never forget the event.

Regards, Mugu
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:20 PM
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29. I'm sorry
That must have been awful.
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Mugu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:45 PM
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48. Thank you, You are very kind.
We all know that our parents are going to die, but I never imagined that a pain in his butt would be the indicator. I wish that I hadn't waited to tell him some things that never got said.

Say what you need to say now because there may be no tomorrow.

Regards, Mugu
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:14 PM
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19. My dear GirlInContempt...
What you did took incredible courage!

It's traumatic, I know...

You did all you could, and as others here have said, that was a great deal more than most folks would have...

I've seen people die too, as a nurse though...

And it's still very hard, when they shouldn't have...

Hugs to you, sweetie...:hug: :hug: :hug:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:21 PM
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30. I don't know if it was courage.
It felt like instinct. But, thank you
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Zoigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:14 PM
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20. You did everything you
could, it seems, GIC....you certainly aren't responsible for his death.
Wonder why the air bag didn't deploy. It would probably have
lessened the injuries considerably. Can understand why you're
upset. p

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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:21 PM
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31. That scares the hell out of me
he was driving a new model BMW convertible, and the airbag didn't deploy.
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:15 PM
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21. Fuck.
I'm sorry you went through that. :hug:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:22 PM
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33. Me too.
Sorrier for him, though.
I wonder what happened. No other cars were involved.
Some guy saw it, and said the dude was driving normally, and then just suddenly went across 4 lanes and smashed in to the tree. No brakes or anything.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:00 PM
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52. maybe the siezures started before and that is what caused the accident
sounds like you did all you could and if it motivates you to take a first aid or CPR course - maybe you can help someone else again sometime and some small measure of good can come of it.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:16 PM
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22. what a traumatic thing
to have to go through.

You did great, though. More than most would ever do. Don't feel bad or guilty because you did you all you could humanly do.


Is there anyway to follow up with the hospital, maybe? Just so you 'know'? I'd hate the not knowing for sure part.


BTW - Thank you for doing your utmost to help another human being.

:hug:

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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:23 PM
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34. The police wouldn't even tell me if he was dead or alive.
My watching it tells me dead, but they just wouldn't say. Unfortunately I doubt the hospital would be more helpful.
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:21 AM
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80. I was one of the first on an accident scene a couple of months ago.
motorcycle and empty flatbed truck. I sat in the road beside the 19 year old female passenger of the cycle. All I could do was try to keep her reassured and still. She was airlifted to a medical center eventually. Paper said the next day "severe injuries", never read or heard another thing and I think of her often and wonder how she is doing. All you EMTs and firemen out there I salute you.
My friend's father was killed yesterday along with the family friend who was driving the SUV which rolled. I found out last night. Funeral tomorrow.
Drive carefully everyone, please!

I think I am going to take a CPR refresher course.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:17 PM
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23. Oh shit, that's horrible. You're an angel, did you know that?
One of the real ones - two arms and two legs, no wings. :hug:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:24 PM
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35. I'm no angel, sweetie
But, thanks anyway
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:31 PM
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44. Oh, then you're a devil?
I can live with that. :evilgrin:
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:18 PM
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24. Many people fear dying alone most of all.



He died in the arms of someone who cared. Maybe someone he didn't even know, but someone who cared and was trying to help and reassure him nonetheless. To whatever extent his consciousness limited him, he still knew that he was not alone in his greatest time of need.

I hope you find comfort in the knowledge that you provided him the ultimate kindness.


Take care.

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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:24 PM
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36. I hope so
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:19 PM
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26. OMG. Sweetie. I am SOOO sorry you went through that.
And, you couldn't have done any more. The Paramedics are actually bringing the ER to the accident these days...well that's what I've been told. It's been quite a few years since I rode on a 'bus' as the police call it.

Big hug to you, darlin'. Seeing that kind of thing is not easy. :hug:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:25 PM
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37. Thanks midlo
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:20 PM
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28. I saw a friend's son die many years ago.
It is an awful thing to witness.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:25 PM
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39. I'm so sorry
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:22 PM
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32. You did the right thing, kiddo.
:hug:

For what it's worth, he knew that someone cared. That's very important.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:26 PM
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41. I felt so helpless.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:31 PM
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45. I know you did.
Still, you did everything you could do. It's very traumatic, but there's nothing you could've changed. Really.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:26 PM
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40. I'm sorry, GIC.
At least he didn't die alone. :hug:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:13 PM
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53. Yeah, that is something
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:27 PM
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43. Oh dear
I've been there (bad accident involving a bus full of handicapped children - some of them didn't make it). You're posting this because it beats screaming.

Expect to feel shaken for quite some time. Find a sympathetic ear and vent. Don't drink: it only offers temporary relief, and then you feel even worse.

And give yourself a huge pat on the back for doing your best to help another human being.

:hug: PM me if you need to talk.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:14 PM
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54. Thanks very much
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:32 PM
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46. media vita in morte sumus, GIC.
In the midst of life we are in death.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:15 PM
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55. Amarae morti ne tradas nos
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Audio_Al Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:22 PM
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62. For those of us who only speak pig Latin... the translation...
Amarae morti ne tradas nos – do not hand us over to bitter death.
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suzbaby Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:32 PM
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47. I kind of know how you feel.
I didn't play nearly as active a role as you did, but I sat across from a man who died from a heart attack on an airplane once.
He just slumped over in his seat. The stewardess tried to wake him; it didn't work. They hauled him out into the aisle and started performing cpr. They even asked if anyone on the plane was a doctor (I thought they only did that in movies). We made an emergency landing, but it didn't help. He died right there on the plane.
I know can empathize when you describe feeling shaken and freaked out despite the fact that you didn't know this person.

Take comfort in friends tonight if you can.

In the mean time, here's a hug. :hug:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:16 PM
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56. Wow. That would be really scary
:hug:
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:48 PM
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49. Oh gosh, I'm so sorry. It's an awful experience.
Been there. It's a God awful helpless feeling. Even 5 yrs later, I still question myself and wonder, although it's not as frequent as it once was.

Just know..you DID do everything you could possibly do. If they(the professionals) couldn't save him, there's no way you could have. I still have to tell myself that sometimes too.

:hug: to you GIC.




RIP Jack.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:16 PM
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57. I wish they'd shown up faster.
Maybe he still wouldn't have made it, but... at least I'd know that.
Not that my knowing anything really matters that much.
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:02 AM
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83. It's normal to question,
There are still some things I question regarding response time etc. Sometimes when we're in those situations, what seems like forever is, in reality not all that long. It's like time slows down or something.

I'm glad you were able to be with him during his last moments. At least he had a kind hand and wasn't alone.

:hug:
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:41 AM
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85. Well, I can tell you it was too long.
Edited on Thu Sep-27-07 09:49 AM by GirlinContempt
I went and looked at the times on the phone, and really, 8:46 to dispatch help is way to freaking long.
Because basically, as soon as the phone was hung up, we heard the sirens as they came from the station TWO BLOCKS AWAY.
I think we're filing a report/complaint today.
The firemen, EMTs, Paramedics etc were all fabulous. As soon as they got the call to arrive.
It shouldn't have taken that long.
Which is why I was getting distressed with the dispatcher.
"Where is the accident?"
"X at X"
"Why do you need an ambulance?"
"There's been a horrible accident. This guy is hardly breathing and his eyes are all rolled back in his head, he hit a tree. He's spasming."
"Is there more than one person in the car?"
"No, just the one guy"
"Is he conscious?"
"No I don't think so"
"Is he pinned inside the car?"
"Not that I can tell, no. He just really really needs an ambulance"
"Where is this again?"
"X at X"
"Can you see if he's bleeding?"
"He isn't bleeding, and he's barley breathing can you PLEASE just send someone"

etc etc etc. They asked minimum THREE TIMES where it was.
I was... distraught.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:36 PM
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93. I do think that even though they are asking lots of questions, they
have already radioed someone in! At least that is what I think! I am sorry you had to see and experience that. Must be tough.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:05 PM
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105. I don't think they had
The fire station is 2 blocks away. I could hear the sirens start when they turned them on.
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:56 PM
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94.  I remember the same questions asked over and over too.
Like I said, I still question the length of time it took in my situation, so I fully understand what you're going through. At least at that time for us, we were in the city. Here, we're about the same as you..two blocks from the firestation but it's all volunteer. Our town is pretty good with quicker responses but some of the neighboring towns are awful with repeated dispatches and either no one or minimal personnel showing up at the firehall to respond.

I hope you're feeling better tonight.
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:48 PM
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50. I've had two people die in front of me in my younger years
Both times I panicked, both times I was too panicked to perform CPR. These people died within months of each other. Not going to happen again,I will have the bravery and strength to perform CPR.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:17 PM
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58. I'm very sorry.
I think it's natural to panic.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:50 PM
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51. I'm sorry, but I find death so strange, firstly; I'm sorry you've had to experience such a thing...
But I am flushed now, with entering a friend's sister's apt after no one had heard from her for three days...she was there, all along, still sitting on her toilet with her needle of half dispensed heroin still in her arm tinged with clotted blood: a sad, sad scene, so pasty, so sullied, unusual...and dead. Her brother pulled the last needle from her arm as we stood there for a time, soon the tears came amidst the scent of it all; then the authorities, the coroner, and the body bag.

Death is a strange thing to me, and if I have my druthers, or any further input on the matter...people will live forever.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:18 PM
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59. Oh jesus.
That's terrible, bridgit.
I'll try to live forever.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:19 PM
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60. i *want* you to live forever...
:pals:
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Audio_Al Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:19 PM
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61. What a terrifying experience! I feel so sorry for you.
Did you want to contact the family to tell them that it was quick?
Perhaps you can identify yourself to the police and see if you can find out his name.
Or not. Try to stay calm. That must have been just horrible.

I'd have a glass of wine and ponder the fact that we are all human and we have to accept that on every level.

First post by Radio Lady's husband, Audio Al
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 02:09 AM
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72. Welcome to DU, my dear Audio_Al!
Enjoy your stay in our crazy, addictive little village!

:hi:
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:23 AM
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73. Thanks, Peggy. So nice of you. Take care.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:36 PM
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101. Welcome Al!!
Yea! I'm sure you're going to love it here!!
We are certainly glad to have you here!!
Duckie
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:25 PM
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63. I'm so sorry.
:(

I suppose it would be more worrysome if you weren't freaked out by what happened.

I hope you have friends nearby that you can spend time with, talk to, and work through how you feel about this. It'll help.

You're a good person. Be well.

:hug:
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:56 PM
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64. You had your hand on his face....
I'm so glad that he was being touched, if those were his last breaths.

Although, I'm sorry that you had to go through that, GIC. You did what you could do.

:hug:
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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 06:58 AM
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76. That's what I was thinking, too.
GIC, you are amazing. I'm so sorry you and he went through this, but you really handled it with all you could. You represent the best of humanity.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 11:59 PM
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65. He was in trouble when he lost control and hit the tree.
I believe he knew you were there trying to help. You made things easier for him.
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Thirtieschild Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:42 AM
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66. You gave him so much. You are brave. Take care of yourself now.
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:07 AM
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67. i'm glad he had someone who cared there with him
i'm not sure i can imagine what you're going through right now, please take care of yourself
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:12 AM
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68. You are an angel.
You helped another soul to transition. Bless you.
I am sorry it was such a shock for you. Try to take care of yourself and be calm and still for awhile.
It is an honor, what you did.
I will be sending light your way, if that is ok.
:hug:
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:16 AM
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69. I probably shouldnt reply cause I'm drunk...
but I will

You were in an incredible situation. Most ppl in the world will never experience it. To feel life.. it is amazing. Stranger or not.. you felt the last breath. I think its cool that you dealt with it as you did.

:hi:
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:22 AM
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70. It's happened to me as well
It's something I never talked about for a long time; I still rarely do. It may not seem like it now, but in the sense of Life/Death, so helped that person pass into the next plane of existence. And most importantly, he wasn't alone; you were there to give him comfort. I don't know if you believe in Karma, but I do; you gained alot of the good kind tonight.

:hug:
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:38 AM
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71. About the same thing happened to Mrs R about a year ago; don't beat yourself up.
You did what you could, and that's all you can do.

Redstone
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 06:27 AM
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74. Oh Jesus sweetheart
:hug:

are you ok?
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 06:43 AM
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75. sorry!
:hug:
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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:09 AM
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77. you did all you could
i took a cpr course once and the peramedics who ran it said that more lives would be saved if cpr was performed immediatly befoere trained help came.although my wife works in the medical profession and knows how, she said she would be uncomfortable doing cpr on strangers on the street without some kind of shield so no germs are spread.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:14 AM
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79. Holy cow! I'm sorry.
I don't know what to say.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:30 AM
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81. Girl, you did everything you could and you did it right.
You're also on the right track to talk about it. As others have said, don't beat yourself up.

From your description, he may have had massive internal bleeding or his heart was fibrillating - quivering instead of beating. A hard blow to the chest, like going into the steering wheel at speed, can cause fibrillation. If so, there wasn't much you could have done except what you did.

Defending dispatch and the fire department: 911 gets so many bogus calls dispatchers have to run a list to try to sort the real deal from the clowns. Plus, there are legalities, more's the pity. 10 minutes isn't an unreasonable response. It takes time to suit up and saddle up. One other thought, it's possible that your local fire department was on another call, so a crew farther out had to be brought in.

FWIW, my husband and I were on ambulance crews for a couple of years. The first violent death you deal with isn't easy even when you're trained to do so.

Again, you did good. Talk about it, think about it, but don't relive it, especially the impossible "What could I have done differently?"
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:34 AM
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82. You're a hero as far as I'm concerned....
If he did die, you were there with him, talking to him, holding his head up, comforting him. I very much admire what you did.
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:47 AM
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84. That's horrible
:(

:hug:
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:46 AM
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86. Oh dear...that's no good at all
:( :hug:
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LaraMN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:48 AM
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87. Oh, honey!
:hug:

I've never experienced anything like that. I can imagine you're horribly, horribly shaken. You did a good thing by being with him; probably the best thing anyone COULD do for him, at that point.

:hug: :hug: :hug:
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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:50 AM
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88. It's incredibly distressing.
:hug:

You did everything you possibly could have. Don't feel guilty for being a good person and trying to help.
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:05 AM
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89. Wow, I'm so sorry you had to go through that.
:hug:
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:27 AM
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90. That is horrible.
You did what you could, GIC.

I hate all those damn questions the paramedics/police
throw at you. I know some of them ARE necessary,
but many of them- like where the accident occurred
CAN WAIT- the guy's life is on the line.


I remember one car accident where I had a concussion.
A police officer was writing down a "statement" from me
laying on a stretcher, mumbling and going in and out of consciousness!

-real accurate info there!-

I wasn't coherent for days,

Bless you for trying to save him.

:hug:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:24 PM
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91. I'm so sorry you had to go through that.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:31 PM
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92. ...
:(
:hug:
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 07:59 PM
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95. .
:hug:

Thank you for caring. You did what you could. Don't beat yourself up. Don't make yourself responsible for things beyond your control.

:hug:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:03 PM
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96. Sometime there is nothing you can do but be with someone while they die. It can be hard.
Sometimes there is just nothing anyone can do. It can be very difficult. I am sorry you or anyone has to go through this, I am glad that he did not die alone. Hugs to you.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:05 PM
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97. I am so sorry
:hug:

You did what you could, and that is a very good thing.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:24 PM
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98. Oh my GOD!
:hug:
That's terrible. I can't even imagine....
I'm so sorry you had to witness that.
Duckie
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 08:34 PM
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100. Oh, that's TERRIBLE!
I'm so sorry, GIC. Godspeed to the poor guy. :hug:
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:06 PM
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102. Big hug.
:hug:

Holy shit. :hug:

He might still come around, even after 15 minutes.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:11 PM
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103. Wow you've seem to have experienced something very traumatic
That's why you're posting it here because you need to clear your mind. Clear away
:hi::hug:
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 09:14 PM
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104. Confession is good for the soul... so here goes.
This happened in Weston or Waltham, Massachusetts. I was driving on Rt. 128, when a person in a car in the next lane to mine hit the brakes, and couldn't stop in time. The car jammed under a flatbed truck. I think I saw part of the truck come in through the windshield and decapitate the person, but I'm not sure.

There was no place to stop and I was screaming to myself -- there's nothing to do -- you can't really help now -- it won't do to try to stop and walk back with hundreds of cars flying by. But get to a phone! Get to a telephone, get to a telephone. I got off at the next exit and called the police. I am totally squeamish about accident scenes. I try not to look at all.

This was in the 1980s and there were no cellphones. I tried to figure out how to find out about the accident, but there was no mention of it in the newspaper during the subsequent days. When I called the police, they couldn't tell me anything... or wouldn't..

So many years later your story can bring up the scene in my mind. The squeal of the brakes, the crashing noise and the punch of the flatbed through the glass, and then head coming off or....could it have been an airbag?

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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:08 PM
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106. Thanks everyone
You're all being really sweet.
I appreciate it.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 10:27 PM
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107. You gotta talk to somone when that kinda thing happens, and...
we're here.

It's a shock, and you always feel like there's something more you can do, but there usually isn't. Even if you knew CPR (and you really should learn, along with basic first aid) one thing about auto wrecks is never to move the person unless you've been trained-- the victim could have injuries that moving makes worse, a lot worse.

You did what you could, and did the right things. No one ever expects more than that, and you shouldn't expect more than that from yourself.



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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:07 PM
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108. You did a great and brave thing.
You helped him and you stayed with him so he wouldn't be alone. :hug:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:16 PM
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109. GIC, you performed a work of compassion by talking to him & putting your hand on his face
I know that he felt you and heard you. Imagine if he had died alone. Thanks to your presence with him, he did not die alone.

Naturally you are severely shaken tonight. This is traumatic for you -- yet think of this tomorrow: you were with this man when he crossed over, and he was not alone.

Bless you,

Hekate

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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 11:54 PM
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110. I'm so sorry...
What a horrible thing to witness. You must have felt so frustrated with 911...
:hug::hug::hug:
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 12:02 AM
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111. I don't really have anything to add here that hasn't been said...
..except that I hope you are dealing with it as well as anybody can.

It's never easy. :hug:
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 12:06 AM
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113. you did good...real good. n/t
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 12:13 AM
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114. I'm sorry you had to go through this, GiC
A similar thing happened to a good friend a year ago. He saw someone lose control while rollerblading (without a helmet) and hit a bridge girder. The young man died later in hospital, but my friend was right there, putting pressure on a huge bleeding head wound and trying to flag down a vehicle with a cell phone.

We talked about it at length many times, and he went through a lot of turbulent emotions - including blaming himself (thinking perhaps the man was trying to avoid him, etc). It took him a while, but he eventually came to terms with what he saw and did.

You were there for a dying man. Whatever else you feel, please remember that. He didn't die alone.

:hug:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 12:18 AM
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115. everyone should know CPR
I hope all who read this will sign up for a class pronto.
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