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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:15 PM
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Worst choke in history of sports - 2007 NY Mets
Say it loud, say it proud.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:29 PM
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1. Houston Rockets 1996
After 2 straight NBA Championship the Rockets got new colors, uniforms, and a new logo which was actually unveiled aboard the Space Shuttle. Injuries would be an issue all year for the Rockets who finished in 3rd place again with a 48-34 record. In the playoffs the Rockets appeared ready for another run as they blasted past the Los Angels Lakers in 4 games. However, in the 2nd round the Rockets would run out of fuel as they were swept by the Seattle Supersonics in 4 straight games.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_NBA_Playoffs#.281.29_Seattle_SuperSonics_vs._.285.29_Houston_Rockets


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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:32 PM
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2. Ha ha ha!
I feel so sorry fo those sweet, nice Mets fans all over the world. Ha! ha! ha!
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:35 PM
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3. This Mets fan says Hats off the the Phils
They played like champions down the stretch, while the Mutts collapsed in a pile of mangled flesh.

Well done, Philadelphia!
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:37 PM
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4. this is Red Sox level choking. nt.
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:03 PM
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8. The Red Sox choked this year?
I guess those stories about the Sox being in the playoffs are just rumors.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:47 PM
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15. No, that's next week
:-)
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:07 PM
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23. so all of a sudden the Red Sox aren't legendary chokers? lol. nt.
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:46 PM
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25. Weren't the Yankees up 3-1 in the 2004 playoffs against the Sox?
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 09:46 PM by edbermac
And who won that series? :rofl:
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Presidentcokedupfratboy Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:03 PM
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30. The Yanks were up 3-0
And lost the series.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:04 PM
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52. IMHO, that is the biggest "choke" in sports.
Man, I hate the Yankees.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:36 PM
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35. touche. thats one. I'll take our 26 titles. nt.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:47 PM
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5. The 2007 Brewers choke is also up there
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:23 PM
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10. 40th-worst of all time n/t
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Cheney Killed Bambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:51 PM
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6. It's a baseball record
to be up 7 games with 17 to play, and to still lose it.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:45 PM
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13. 1964 Phillies: 6 1/2 with 12 to play
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 04:47 PM by alcibiades_mystery
Statistically, that's worse.

On edit: I stand corrected...see post below.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:56 PM
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7. The Atlanta Braves throughout the 1990's
:D
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:19 PM
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9. Aww, technically only second to the '95 Angels.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 05:03 PM
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76. The greatest sports year of my entire life.
That was such an AWESOME summer here in Seattle.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:26 PM
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11. Nah, the 2003 Cubs are up there pretty high
I'm already sick of their obnoxious fans and the playoffs haven't even started. I hope get swept out of the first round, but failing that, an epic, hideous collapse on the scale of 2003 would also be delicious.
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:55 PM
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16. Wow!
You've had a better 99 years that anybody I know. Hopefully that will come to an end this year, but if not, then I'm glad our futility makes you happy.

Gotta find joy where we can, and if watching something as clockwork as the Cubs losing does it for you then you've lived a joyous life for sure. A party every October! Maybe this year too, but maybe not.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:01 PM
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17. Was anyone in your family alive the last time the Cubs won the World Series
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 05:10 PM by sasquatch
The only living relative I know of that was alive when the Cubs won the World Series was my greatgrandfather. He was two at the time, living in his native Germany, didn't speak English and the concept of baseball was as alien to him as criccket is to me.
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:06 PM
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18. There is a guy I saw on tv who was born in 1906, that's as close
as I get. My Grandma is 89 and was born in a house not far from Wrigley Field in 1916. Close but no cigar. She used to tell my Great-Grandpa the Cubs score every day when he came home from work. He was an immigrant who arrived in America in 1909 so he missed the 08 WS too.

Hoping that this is the year!
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:36 PM
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22. My Grandmother, still alive at 100 years old, was one year old then
She's a South Sider though - well - Gary actually.....
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:24 PM
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19. If Cubs fans weren't so damned arrogant about their futility I wouldn't care nearly as much
I'm not talking about every single Cubs fan, I have plenty of friends who are Cubs fans. But as a group they can be some of the nastiest fans in baseball. I'm a Cardinals fan who goes to college where 75% of my fellow students are Cubs fans, and the shit I get from them has pushed me from "friendly rivalry" to "unbridled hatred of the entire franchise." I remember in 2003 all the Cubs fans at my school telling me I "ought" to root for the Cubs since the Cardinals weren't even in the playoffs, but every single year the Cardinals have been in the playoffs those same Cubs fans became instant Astros/Mets/Tigers fans, going on about how Cardinals fans are red-state hayseed rednecks, rooting for them to lose, etc. For a franchise that is SO historically awful, a lot of Cubs fans sure are arrogant as hell.

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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 05:56 PM
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20. I've never met an arrogant Cub fan.
We make fun of our team more than everybody else combined, otherwise we'd be miserable!

I do understand the feeling of being a fan of team X in team Y's town however, and I'm guessing that the Cub fans you meet are younguns and bandwagoners so I'll cut you some slack.

Still, I cannot imagine an arrogant Cub fan. Wouldn't it be easy to just point out our record? Problem solved! I'll keep my eyes and ears open for this elusive animal you speak of.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:16 PM
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21. Yeah they're all young rich suburban frattie douches mostly
So in all fairness that's probably the origin of their assholery and it just gets transferred to their sports fandoms as well. I have one friend who texted me every time the Cubs beat the Cardinals with something nasty like "ha ha, suck it!" until I told him it was really pathetic to brag about winning one freaking game considering the historical record. They don't care about historical record - every spring these guys are like "this is our year, your team is going to blow, quit living in the past!" and when that usually doesn't come to pass, they conveniently forget making such predictions until next spring. The few years the Cubs actually do win, they're insuffrably in your face about it. They were being wankoffs at one of the local bars a couple nights ago when the Cubs clinched, and that was fresh in my mind, so hence my disgruntlement about Cubs fans on DU today, haha.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:44 PM
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27. that's because those ones are always running around SE Wisconsin
you will have to forgive me....but i am tired of being treated like a playground for suburban Chicagoans...

not all Cubs fans are FIBs, but all FIBs are Cubs fans
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:43 AM
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48. Wisconsin is Illnois' largest state park
One has to love the simple folk there, though. They seem so happy.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:25 PM
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58. I still think you guys don't know what you are talking about.
The arrogant people you see, if you are seeing them, are most likely not typical, and not native to Chicago or the area.

My two girls live on the North Side. Last fall, we went to see "Wicked." When we were riding the El back to her apartment, a bunch of UIC students got on with us. They were loudmouthed little boys. My daughter recognized them as kids from the East, who come to Chicago to go to school. She said there is a large group of them, who, for some reason, decide to go to school at UIC. She sees them in some of the bars.

Anyway, these bigmouths were saying that there was no good music in Chicago and there never had been. I laughed at them, and asked them if they knew anything about Chicago's blues tradition. That drew a lot of laughs and agreement from some of the other passengers. Of course the idiots did not know anything about the blues.

As far as being a playground, I live in Western Illinois, in a very rural area. We have quite a few campgrounds and other types of places that attract the Chicago suburbanite tourists, too. Jobs are scarce here. We welcome their dollars. Actually, their dollars are far more welcome than some of the other things they want to do here. Some of them want to use us as a landfill, whether we like it or not. Others want to build their McMansions anywhere they please, without regard to zoning, water resources or the availability of services.

Getting back to true-blue Cubs fans: I don't see arrogance. I see fans who are overjoyed, because they so seldom have anything to cheer about.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:32 PM
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80. i like Chicago itself
it's a great city filled with great people...it's just too bad the suburbs have to ruin the good name and reputation
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:12 PM
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32. See, now my general experience with Cubs fans
is that they're insufferable frat-boy dickweeds who yell "wooo!" a lot.

But I might be a bit biased.

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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:18 AM
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40. And said insuffrable frat boy dickweeds go to my university
And they think "south of I-80" is "southern Illinois" aka corn fed redneck hicks.

And they think that being fans of such a terrible team entitles them to an arrogant, elitist, nasty attitude.

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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 11:27 AM
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50. I suspect a good % of White Sox fans have similar opinions of the world "south of I-80"
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 11:38 AM
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51. I've read all of your posts and have yet to see any evidence of
arrogant Cub fans. Seems more like a case of being a fan of team X in team Y's town. 'I am sick of constantly hearing about team Y!' So break out the '1908' or move.

I live near Milwaukee, and lived in of all places, Fort Lauderdale in '03! I totally understand that feeling. People who didn't know Dontrell Willis from Kevin Willis were taunting me back in '03. And I had to take it as all real Cub fans did. But don't call us arrogant, that is just not true. It's like the drug dealer who had no problem admitting that, but call him a thief and he goes batshit crazy on ya! That's how I feel about this charge of arrogance. Losers, dreamers whatever, just not arrogant!

How in the world would being a fan of a terrible team make a person arrogant? That is counter-intuitive. I cannot even wrap my brain around that concept. 'I suck therefore I am better than you!' Huh?

If saying 'Cardinals 2006 World Series Champions' doesn't shut up ANY baseball fan, then I don't know what would.

'And they think that being fans of such a terrible team entitles them to an arrogant, elitist, nasty attitude.' I find that extremely hard to believe. It is counter-intuitive and makes absolutely no sense. But I will keep my eyes open. If I ever came across a fellow Cub fan who is arrogant, believe me I will set them straight. Until then, I will keep looking.

The Cardinals are STILL the WS champs to this day, and yet their poor lil fans are being looked down upon by those mean nasty Cub fans whose Grandparents never even saw a Cub WS championship! Color me skeptical.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:37 PM
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70. I'm NOT in "their town"
I go to the University of Illinois. Last time I checked, the Cubs don't play in Champaign-Urbana.

What kind of "evidence" of an arrogant Cubs fan are you looking for? A picture of a frat rat in a Cubs hat being a douche? A specific name? I've said in several posts exactly what type of people I'm talking about, their general age, social situation, and mentality, and you refuse to believe me or anyone else in this thread, so fine. If you really need to believe that NO Cubs fan ever born has been arrogant or assholish, I guess go on believing that. But your disbelief doesn't make it untrue.

I'm not calling "you" arrogant, nor even the majority of all total Cubs fans. I invite you to come to a bar in my college town when a Cardinals-Cubs game is on TV, however, and if you still persist in claiming that there are NO arrogant Cubs fans anywhere, then I think you're just being willfully blind. As fishwax said, they're not arrogant about their team's success, obviously - although I've encountered more than a few people who were arrogant about the 2007 season because my God, for once the Cubs had a better record than the Cardinals. Any retort of "2006 World Series Champions" was met with "quit living in the past" - that's generally their response to any claims of the Cubs' history of suckitude. You have to bear in mind that these are mostly fans under 25 that I'm dealing with, so in our lifetimes, the Cardinals have been more successful than the Cubs, but not overwhelmingly. The long history of titles, etc doesn't really mean anything to them because until last year the last Cardinals title happened before we were born anyway- 1982 might as well be 1908 as far as it's relevant to us.

As both I and fishwax have explained, the arrogance has to do largely with a yuppie condescending mentality that manifests itself in sports fandoms as well. Often repeated by these fans is the notion that the Cubs are the only "real" team in Illinois and that any Illinoisan who is a fan of another team is some kind of "traitor" or a redneck or whatever. White Sox fans, in my general experience, don't make any such claims, although there aren't a lot of White Sox fans here so I am certainly not going to say that asshole White Sox fans don't exist. But IN MY EXPERIENCE going to college, the majority of jerk sports fans have been Cubs fans.
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:36 PM
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73. I guess thats the Bushworld that we live in. Up is down,
bad is good. Now we have arrogant Cub fans.

I totally believe you about frat boy arrogant Cub fans. But do you understand how an old Iowa boy like me finds the concept of 'arrogant Cub fan' to be an oxymoron? It is like Jumbo Shrimp or arrogant Iowa State Cyclone Fan or something. Cub is the opposite of success and one would think, of arrogance. Just a difficult concept to wrap my brain around. But in Bushworld, I can imagine a 'We haven't won the WS in 99 years so (somehow) YOU suck' sort of mentality. Some people don't recognize reality. A died in the wool, 35 year veteran Cub fan who is also arrogant must have drugs to impair his reality- maybe they should share with the rest of us!

Forgive me for bickering with you. The concept of arrogant Cub fans just blows my mind completely. Usually we're called delusional or irrational or even losers, but this is the first time I've ever heard 'arrogant'. I do not doubt it anymore however.

Have a great fall semester and don't let those Cub fans get your goat- tell 'em to keep the damn goat away from you!

Peace.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:57 PM
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74. Ah, see, you're not a yuppie Cub fan, so I can see why the concept would be totally foreign to you
I'm from rural central IL and all the Cub fans I know from there are like what you described - self-deprecating, long-suffering fans clinging to hope that every new year will be "the year!" We tease each other humorously but it's all in good fun.

These rich frat rats are a totally different breed, though. FTR, most of the ones I encounter aren't even from Chicago itself - they're from some lame suburb, but they claim they're from "Chicago" because they don't think a country bumpkin like me knows the difference. Ugh!

I'd wish your team good luck, but I think I'll enjoy the look of shock on the frat rats' face too much when the Cubs choke :evilgrin:

Peace.
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 05:42 PM
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77. Yes- baseball discussions around Iowa generally lack in
arrogance. The Cardinal fan is still a humble rural midwesterner and the Cub fan doesn't pretend that the Cubs are anything except what they are. We get along pretty well.

But a frat rat from the 'burbs is something I generally can not tolerate, even if we root for the same team. Yes I think that we understand each other now!

Just keep enjoying that WS title yer birds got you last year- still the Champs for now! :toast:
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:45 AM
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37. I don't know any arrogant Cubs fans, either,
and I have been a Cubs fan for fifty years.

Mostly, we are pretty humble. The Cubs fans I know are always ready to move on to next year and cheer for whomever wins the pennant. I have gone to games in St. Louis and Milwaukee and been polite to their fans. When the White Sox were in the World Series, I cheered hard for them, and was glad they won.

Arrogant? We laugh at songs like A Dying Cubs' Fans Last Request. Who else has a team anthem like that they that identify with?

When the Mets choked this year, instead of laughing at them, I immediately thought of the 1969 Cubs. I have sympathized with Red Sox fans during all their tribulations. And as far as that so-called traditional rivalry with St. Louis, I think it was invented by the sports media.

If anything would qualify me as arrogant, it was my attitude toward the Brewers in their last few games. When they beaned Pujols, I decided that they deserved to lose. If the tensions of a playoff push drive them to bean one of the best players in baseball, especially one who is already injured, then they do not deserve to be on top.

I will be on the lookout for arrogant Cubs fans, too. Mostly, I just see a bunch of jubilant fans who want to see something good happen to their team just ONCE in their lifetimes!
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:04 AM
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38. Amen Brother (or Sister)!
'Dying Cub fan' song shows what Cub fans are all about. 'You the living are stuck here with the Cubs so it's ME who feels sorry for YOU!'

I also took no joy in watching the Mets collapse. It's like enjoying somebody else getting a root canal or something.

Hope to celebrate the Cubs winning it all with you this year. Go Cubs Go!
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:47 AM
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42. i've met plenty of arrogant cub fans
I'm not saying all or most are that way, but I've met plenty who are.
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:32 AM
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46. I've never encountered any in my many many years as a fan,
and neither has the 50+ year Cub fan above. Must be arrogant youngsters which may reflect more on their age than on what team they root for. Listen to Steve Goodman's 'A Dying Cub fan's last request' sometime. That is the old school Cub fan story.

'Do they still play the blues in Chicago When baseball season rolls around?

When the snow melts away do the Cubbies still play in their Ivy-covered burial ground?

When I was a boy they were my pride and joy but now they only bring fatigue

to the home of the brave, the land of the free and the doormat of the national league'

No arrogant fan refers to their home field as a 'burial ground' or their team as the 'doormat of the national league' do they? Really? Any Cub fan over 40 lives by that song. Only some youngndum pup could be an arrogant Cub fan. I was kind of an arrogant jerk as a youngster too, but was in spite of, not because of being a Cub fan.

Listen to the bittersweet joy in that song. This is how a Cub fan feels:

'Give me a double header funeral at Wrigley Field, on some sunny weekend day, no-lights. Have the organ play the national anthem, then a little na na na na hey hey hey goodbye. Make 6 bullpen pitchers carry my coffin and 6 groundskeepers clear my path. Have the umpires bark me 'OUT' at every base, in all their holy wrath. It's a beautiful day for a funeral. Hey Ernie Let's play two! Somebody go get Jack Brickhouse to come back and conduct just one more interview. Have the Cubbies run right out on the middle of the field, have Keith Moreland drop a routine fly. Give everybody 2 bags of peanuts and a frosty malt, and I'll be ready to die. Build a big fire on homeplate out of your louisville slugger baseball bats and toss my coffin in. Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow, from the prevailing 30 mph southwest wind. And when my last remains go flying over the left field wall, we'll bit the Bleacher Bums adu. And I'll reach my final resting place out on Waveland Avenue.

Steve Goodman, who wrote that song (and 'City of New Orleans' among many others) died in Sept of '84, just days before the Cubs played their first playoff game in about 40 years. His ashes were buried under home plate. If his attitude is arrogance, then I am guilty too. But that is what a Cub fan is all about. We may NEVER win, but we wouldn't switch teams at gunpoint.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:50 PM
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55. that you haven't encountered (or recognized) them doesn't mean they don't exist
again, i didn't say all or most were. And Steve Goodman *rawks*. But even having a great singer sing a great song--however humble--doesn't mean you don't have some fans that are arrogant jerks (just like every team has some fans who are arrogant jerks).
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:07 PM
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56. I don't doubt that a few jerky frat boys may go overboard
with that Cubbie spirit. But if you tell me that you know several arrogant Cub fans over 35 I will drop dead. That just cannot be.

WTF could they say that would construe arrogance? 'We were #1 in 1908!' WTF?

Enlighten me as to what an arrogant Cub fan says. Could it not be refuted INSTANTLY? I don't care if young Cub fans are arrogant- that reflects on their 'rich suburban fratboyness' more that what team they root for. An arrogant old Cub fan does not exist that I've ever seen. There is a thing called reality that tends to humble my fellow Cub fans.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:47 PM
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60. they aren't arrogant about the success of their team
they're arrogant in general. Arrogant fans aren't generally arrogant because of their team--they reflect their natural arrogance through their team. The arrogant fans of some teams point to pennants. The arrogant fans of the Cubs can't do that, of course, but the Cubs do have plenty to be proud of--a tradition of great fans, one of the best ballparks in baseball, etc. (Now, see, there are some arrogant cubs fans who are going to exploit those traditions--who would call me names or dismiss me for denigrating Wrigley by saying it was only "one of the best parks," rather than acknowledging it as the holy temple of the game.)

I've met plenty of arrogant cubs fans--and by no means are they all under 35--who believe that no fans of any other team can really be fans, simply because of the fact that said team has actually won a championship in their lifetime. Yankees fans are justifiable proud of their championships, and Cubs fans are justifiably proud of their loyalty. But just as there are arrogant Yankees fans who flout their championships to illustrate their perceived superiority as fans, so are there arrogant Cubs fans who flout their tradition to illustrate their perceived superiority as fans.

Not all, not most, and not because they are cubs fans. But arrogant suburban fratboys do get older, and some of them stay arrogant--alas, simply being a Cubs fan doesn't always make one a better person.
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:32 PM
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62. NEVER said anything to the effect that being a Cub fan makes
one a better person. Where did you possibly get that idea? Maybe this arrogance you perceive comes from the same place your imaginary 'make one a better person' nonsense comes from- not reality!

If you can't put an 'arrogant' Cub fan in his place, then you are not a sports fan at all and I don't feel sorry for you having to endure this 'arrogance'. And that other guy too- a fan of the WORLD CHAMPIONS! Surrounded by fans of the losingest team in pro-sports history is just too much to handle! Wish I had yer problems pal. BOO FREAKING HOO!

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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 02:54 PM
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63. lol! I never said you did
:shrug:

Just pointing out that the "there just suburban frat punks" defense doesn't hold up, since those suburban frat punks may age, remaining both arrogant and cubs fans. I think you're projecting.

And I also don't have any interest in putting an arrogant cub fan in his place. I'm just pointing out that such a creature exists, no matter how much you wish to deny it--or, better yet, to deflect it, by making the (rather arrogant) insinuation that anyone who thinks otherwise must simply be a crybaby :rofl:

Ah, that's rich. :rofl:
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:07 PM
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65. 'Alas simply being a Cub fan does not make one a better
person.' Is that not a direct quote from you? :shrug:
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:12 PM
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66. of course it's a direct quote from me--but i didn't say you said any such thing
:shrug:
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:27 PM
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68. Well refer the next 'arrogant' Cub fan to me the next time you
come across one. I will straighten them out!

I mean Cub fans like me have gotten a lot of grief for supporting the Cubs over the years, that I can take no problem. But I cannot accept arrogant Cub fans.

If you only knew what we talk about on the Cubs messageboard! NOBODY gives the cubs more crap than we do and arrogance is a completely foreign concept to Cub fans I know. I mentioned the drug dealer who didn't argue that fact, but insisted that he wasn't a thief. I insist that the Cub fans I know and have known all my life are ANYTHING but arrogant. Kinda struck a nerve but I realize that you aren't saying ALL are, just some that you've met.

Again, send 'em to me and I will straighten them out. They cause a lot of pain for those of us who congratulate other fans EVERY SINGLE YEAR OF OUR LIVES and simply want a WS championship of our own for once! Send 'em to me!
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:43 PM
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71. will do :) and good luck in the playoffs
I must confess: if the Rockies make it past the Padres and the Phillies, I'll be pulling for them in the NLCS. But other than that, I'd like to see the Cubs win.

And FWIW, my history is on your side: Since we moved to central Illinois in the summer of '05, regional teams have had great success--the White Sox my first year here and the Cardinals the second. Throw the Bears and Colts in there, and I'd say we've brought a lot of luck to this corner of the world ;)--perhaps this year it will rub off on the cubbies :) :toast:
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:49 PM
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72. Cheers my friend!
Happy baseball to you this fall.:toast:

I'll be in the streets around Wrigley if we make the WS, so look for the guy in the blue hat! (haha)
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 05:00 PM
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75. Oh, so it's YOU!
I was wondering why teams from this area were doing so awesome lately.

See, I actually don't care if the Cubs win a World Series - just as long as it's in 2009 or later. I just REALLY want to be able to bust their chops about 100 years of futility. So I won't allow them to win this year, haha.
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Presidentcokedupfratboy Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:05 PM
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31. Give the Cub fans a break
Every team is entitled to a bad century.....
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:33 PM
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33. Cub fan here who's always respected the Cards
and even more after reading David Halberstam's October 64. A lot of stuff in there about the enlightened (for the times) racial situation and attitudes etc. on the Cards in the fifties and sixties--both players and organization as a whole.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:22 AM
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41. Thanks - hell a lot of my family are Cubs fans
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 01:23 AM by WildEyedLiberal
And we tease each other but it's never serious. The majority of my campus are Cubs fans though, and a great deal of them are arrogant jerks. It's a very snobby suburban frat rat mentality, and it carries over to their sports loyalties. Of course not all Cubs fans are like that, but unfortunately most of the Cubs fans in my specific sphere of influence are.
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:34 AM
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43. probably that way more now.
Going to Cubs games at Wrigley seems to have turned into a yuppie place to see and be seen .... That Halberstam book is one of the best baseball books I ever read. Especially for a Cardinal fan, if you have in interest in their 50's and 60's history , you'd probably enjoy it.
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:38 AM
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47. Could you give me an example of what an arrogant Cub fan
would say? I mean especially to a Cardinal fan- WTF is there to say that could not be refuted with 2006 WS Champs.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:36 PM
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12. yankees in the 2004 alcs
get my top vote, of course...not to exonerate the mets, though
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:45 PM
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14. After all the shit i was getting from them early in the year, this is sweet.
I am happy today, yessire :D
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:09 PM
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24. Only to New Yorkers
If it had happened anywhere in flyover country, we'd never hear about it again.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:42 PM
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26. Chicago Cubs, every year
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:35 PM
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34. you beat me to it
with basically same post . sigh... this year is a fluke to be in post season---TWELFTH best record in the majors...
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:42 PM
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36. Funny, I don't remember a Brewers World Series Championship.
And they finished below .500 every year for almost 20 until this season. But they aren't chokers, right?
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:17 PM
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57. but i do remember the brewers being in a world series in my lifetime.
how many cub fans can say that about their team?

(btw- that's not to infer that i'm a brewers fan)
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:44 PM
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59. A few VERY old relatives, that's it.
Did you watch the Brewers step in it last week? It was U-G-L-Y and I cannot imagine having the nerve to call some other team 'chokers' were I a Brewers fan.

But some people cannot lift themselves up, therefore the Cubs history of futility gives fans of other teams something to look down upon. But we're the arrogant ones!
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:30 PM
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79. choking implies being a good team and then falling apart
when was the last time the Brewers played well, minus the last couple years?

and yeah, they choked this year
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:57 PM
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28. Lindsey Jacobellis. No doubt. The ultimate choke. Loses the Gold.
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Presidentcokedupfratboy Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:02 PM
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29. This was a bad choke
It was Red Soxian in its magnitude.

However, the biggest choke in sports history still belongs to the Republican Party of Baseball, aka Satan's team, aka the New York Yankees.
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:10 AM
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39. this may be a baseball thread but UMinn football, 2005, vs. Michigan...
on the verge of one of the most stunning upsets of the millenia, the Gophs give up, gawdamighty, 31 points in the fourth quarter;; lose 38-35.
shameful.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:43 AM
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44. One of the worst regular season chokes, yes
The playoffs and championships are a whole different level, though.

I'm a Yankees fan, but I would say them losing to the Red Sox in the 2004 ALCS after being up 3-0 would be up there as well for postseason.

I think there have been a few NBA and NHL playoff series' where one team was up 3-0, only to lose.

And, of course, the Bill Buckner through the legs choke in 1986...

And, the Sox losing the 78 playoff game at home after being up 14 1/2 games.

I'd also say the Jets beating the Colts in Super Bowl 3 was a choke on the Colts' part because they were so heavily favored. Weren't they well into double digits on the point spread?

Houston losing to NC State in the NCAA finals.




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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:03 AM
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45. Not even close
Yankees 2004.
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:50 AM
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49. This Cubs fan was pulling hard for the Mets.
mikey_the_rat
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:09 PM
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53. Buffalo Bills - 4 Superbowls
choke choke sputter gasp

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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:20 PM
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54. Nope.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:54 PM
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61. 2006 Dallas Mavpricks
morans!!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:06 PM
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64. YOU'RE ALL WAY OFF! It was THIS:
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 03:06 PM by WinkyDink
"Van de Velde gave the French a dubious piece of golf history. No one will ever forget who was behind the greatest collapse in the game, maybe in all of sports."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/golf/1999/british_open/news/1999/07/18/british_sunday/

You can watch it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dR1pkCGY80
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:21 PM
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67. and don't forget the disaster at winged foot
At the 2006 U.S. Open at Winged Foot, Phil finished second to Geoff Ogilvy after one of the most memorable final hole collapses in major championship golf. Leading by a stroke with one hole to play, Phil chose to hit driver on the final (72nd) hole of the tournament, and hit it well left of the fairway. This decision was widely criticized since Mickelson had only hit two of thirteen fairways previously in the round. The ball bounced off a corporate hospitality tent and settled in an area of trampled down grass that was enclosed with trees. Phil decided to aggressively go for the green with his second shot rather than play it safe and pitch out into the fairway. His ball then hit a tree, with the following shot plugging into the greenside bunker. Phil was unable to get up and down from there, resulting in double bogey and costing him any chance of winning the championship outright or getting into a playoff (a bogey would've gotten him a playoff with Ogilvy), and also ending his bid to join Ben Hogan and Tiger Woods as the only players to win three consecutive professional majors (he had two heading into Winged Foot).

Reflecting on his performance afterwards Phil admitted: "I still am in shock that I did that. I just can't believe I did that. I'm such an idiot".


It was a scene straight from a movie (specifically, Tin Cup, starring Kevin Costner).

OY! but that was painful to watch :rofl:

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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:33 PM
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69. Van de Velde happened over 15 minutes
This happened over weeks.

(Although Norman blowing up in the final round of the masters was even more painful to watch.)
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 05:51 PM
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78. Think they can spare some pitchers?
Maybe for say...trade...for a donkey?



DIE hard Reds fan will understand :)
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