Christians, identify yoursevles and discuss the faith with Non-Christians.

[trumad]

Our ranks are getting a bit low so we need to boost it up a bit.

[kalian]

1. Whose ranks are getting a bit low....?

xtians or non-xtians....?

[Karenina]

7. Go here first...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=352402

[kalian]

16. Wow....

this guy had better lose his job...pronto! :mad:

[ikojo]

22. I sent the NYT story to a friend of mine...

She and her husband are orthodox Jews. Her husband flies for a commuter line. I can't wait to get her response to all of this. Knowing her conservative politics I am sure she will say it was inappropriate but that nothing should happen to the pilot. Why do I say this? Because when I bring up the fact that fundie Christians support Israel only to fulfill end time prophecy she and her family will say, "well we need all the friends we can get and when Moshiach (the Hebrew word for Messiah) comes they will see THEY were wrong."

[smirkymonkey]

36. Does anyone know what is going on with

this situation? Is the FAA investigating? What was the fallout? I would FREAK if that happened on a flight I had boarded. They aren't just going to give him a slap on the wrist and be done with it are they?? :grr:

[Terwilliger]

2. Chri - stains?

Is that Freudian?

[trumad]

14. No...I spelled it wrong...LOL

fixed

Thanks

[Deja Q]

3. Well

Jesus did die for us, though it didn't seem to do much good in the end, given what people who proclaim to be Christians do in His name. x( He tried and failed. When He returns, he's gonna be pished.

[Kamika]

4. no thanks

:p I believe in Jesus Christ and thats it, if we discuss it it will just be a mega flame war, I will get 2 warnings and then the thread gets locked.

Instead let's discuss the greatness of Tina Turner.

Tina live is probably the best singer I know, I wish I could sing like her.

Ahh We don't need another hero - Live

[kalian]

6. I would prefer the pink unicorn....

I've heard some wonderful stories about it. :evilgrin:

[Stupdworld]

5. why invite flaming?

christians rank slightly above republicans on this board... only slightly. and southern christians... well we're pretty much pariahs.

i believe in God and Christ the savior, but i'm not about to start an avalanche on this board. nosiree.

[Kamika]

9. I think there are WAY more Christians here then you think

and other religions aswell

Fyi

[Bertha Venation]

12. I agree. eom

[blondeatlast]

18. Indeed, and many who aren't will defend those of us who are.

I think the majority of DUers don't make it an issue. I know I only do when I'm called upon to defend my faith, as I believe most of us do.

With a few notable exceptions, the most notable of whom I didn't care for anyway (and who has been, thankfully, tombstoned for his frequent tirades against a particular sect*, if memory serves) the believers don't make it an issue until it's been made for us.

*Heh, heh--I KNOW most of us know who I am talking about without his name being mentioned.

[Kamika]

19. I dont know who it was

:(

[youngred]

24. agreed

but they're the non-nasty type for the most part.

[trumad]

11. Sorry

I should have added sarcasim to the thread...

Here's what inspired me...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=352402

[Catch22Dem]

15. I agree with Stupd

I don't believe, and I don't really care to discuss it. The way I see it, you either do or you don't. If a message board is going to change your beliefs, they weren't very strong to begin with.

The important thing is, I consider all of you my brothers and sisters and I love you all equally. Well, not equally. Admitedly, I'd like to poke a couple of ya in the eye. ;) But we all come here for the same reason. Discussing religion isn't that reason.

[trof]

8. Brought on by this?

An American Airlines pilot asked Christians on board a flight to New York to identify themselves and suggested that the non-Christians discuss the faith with them, an airline spokesman said yesterday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/08/nyregion/08pilot.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1076257273-OuuL2gL62sObgFobxbaPhw

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

10. I'm not a Christian, but I once was

I believe in tolerance of all faiths, and that all paths lead to God. I know many good Christians who walk their talk, which is what it is all about, really. I bet that most of the Christians on this board, if not all, are true to the teachings of Jesus and try their best to live a good life.

[StClone]

17. I am a Christian

Believe in the humanity, works and words of Jesus but not a Supreme Being. The Bible and other religious text can be viewed as survival guides for humanity with some major flaws, inconsistencies and misinterpretations. Otherwise, they are a solid practical text to guide a more or less decent society.

[OhioStateProgressive]

13. negatory

religion is a big non issue to me...the last of which I want to discuss and debate

[megatherium]

20. dormant faith

In some ways, I still think of myself as a follower of Jesus -- his compassion and his teaching that the Kingdom of God is here and now still make sense to me. I don't know for sure, but I tend to subscribe to the "spiritual resurrection" theory (Jesus appeared to his immediate followers in spirit form).

But I cannot belong to any religion that teaches there is a hell to which most of the population is going, or a church that has anything to do with hate or ignorance. (I am gay, and pretty much all of the major Christian churches have a history of terrible treatment of gay people. Many churches, such as evangelical churches and also the Roman Catholic Church, continue to spread hate and lies about us.) I also have decided I cannot credit the teaching of the Trinity; it is not in the New Testament, it is paradoxical, and is absolutely incompatable with the monotheism of Judaism. That is, I do not believe that Jesus is God or that Jesus ever claimed to be God.

Accordingly, I am on an extended sabbatical from church.

[camero]

28. Just because you don't go to church doesn't mean...

You don't have faith or it is dormant by any means. I think people can come to their own faith and that that is even better than someone leading you into it.

As to the rest of your post I agree absolutely. I am also on a long sabbatical from the church. The bible says that there would be a falling away of the church and I believe that is happening now. It is turning people off from the true message of Christianity.

Just my two cents.

[havocmom]

21. am guessing there are few atheists at 35,000 feet when a pilot pulls this!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic..

Jeepers, I'd pray the co-pilot knows that Vulcan neck pinch thingie and takes control of the plane!

[EstimatedProphet]

23. I am a Christian

I believe in the fundamental truth of what Christ said:
That the only way to true understanding (Kingdom of Heaven) was through his teachings, not through capital gains, or popularity, or political ambition;
That all people are equal and worthy under God;
That pacifism is the only way to guarantee peace.
Notice these things are my interpretation of what he said. Given the number of translations there have been to get our modern bible, frankly I intend to stand by my interpretation. They're all interpretations at this point.

[Edge]

25. Christian here...

what is there to discuss?

[youngred]

26. I would identify myself as Christian

and then tell all non-christians to run from mainstream christianity as fast as they can

[Edge]

27. Is mainstream Christianity...

a Republican thing?

[camero]

29. Mainstream Christianity is Calvinism

As another poster said, It's just the rich trying to make larger eyes on needles and smaller camels.

[Edge]

30. Ahh...that's what it's meant by Calvinism...

No, I'm not part of the mainstream Christian. I'm a poor Christian...not one of those lying, hypocritical fat cat Christians. Obviously.

[camero]

32. me neither

:)

[supernova]

31. If I had been on that flight

I would have told that pilot to go fuck himself. There are many paths to understanding God. I don't condone proseletizing, its just too badly misused.

I'm not on that plane to discuss religion and philosophy. He should confine his proclivities to sunday school, where they belong. I don't know, perhaps he's an Amway pod too. That org is as creepy as fundamentalist evangelicals.

[rasputin1952]

33. The only ranks that are thinning...

I should hope are the CINO's.

As a Christian, I believe that walking the walk is the only way to go. But, regardless of one's belief system, as long as there is no hypocrisy, it is fine by me. Say it, Do it; Do it, Believe it. Do no harm, only good, and follow your heart.

The power of Love cannot be quenched, it rises within each of us.

O8)

[Red Louisiana]

34. I am not a christian

I'm proud to say I'm not a christian. I think it takes as much guts to deny the mythology as it does to face those who will attack you for not being religious when the question comes.

With that said, I, myself, have nothing against religion...

[rasputin1952]

38. Like I said...

do no harm. That is really what counts. Most 'religions' are in name only. Everyone believes in something, whether is is a Supreme being or one's self, or anything in between; we all believe in something.

O8)

[Don_G]

35. Define A Christian

And Faith....

I don't know that I believe in all of the anciallry BS, but all of the major faiths still strong in the world agree that peace, tolerance and a few, basic set of rules for society are needed.

Other than that, I've personally witnessed a "bible-thumper" accuse a Greek Orthodox Priest of not being a "Christian" in his own Church (FYI, the Orthodox Faith is historically closest to the teachings of Christ.)

If the Middle East, Asia and Europe agreed on the same basic tenents with the North American Indians at about the same time, whom am I to argue?

[Rabrrrrrr]

37. Just have to correct one point you made

You said the Orthodox Faith is historically closest to the teachings of Christ

Not true - historically speaking, the only thing the Orthodox Church has as a claim over traditions it that is *liturgically* closest to *the early church* (not to Jesus), with a liturgy that has remained unchanged since, let's say the 300s give or take a century, depending on how one wants to define it. But there was no offical liturgy of the church until about that time.

Even the Catholic Church can't go back that far, liturgically.

But no faith tradition can be said to be historically closest to the teachings of Jesus - all traditions are closest, since all have the same texts (barring getting into the gnostics and other sects of Christianity that claim to have old, mystical, or whatever texts, but that's a whole different realm).

Or else I completely misunderstood what you meant.