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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 06:52 PM
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I got this today from an aquaintance. Barf alert! Does anyone know if this was an actual letter to Sen. Byrd?? Why in the hell do these people think Bush is so great?????? DO they not care about the fact he skipped out on his Guard duty (and only got in there because of his father???) And LBJ sitting on his "fat ass" did a hell of a lot more for this country than Bush could ever do! The morale in Vietnam was bad because it was an immoral war. It was wrong and everyone knew it (or should have).





Senator Byrd,



As a retired Naval Officer, with two Gulf carrier deployments under my belt, I find your criticism of President Bush's visit to the Lincoln offensive in the extreme! This is the first time that the Commander-in-Chief took time out of his schedule to pay a visit to thank those who served in the line of fire, in a way that was both dramatic and meaningful to those on the carrier. Perhaps if LBJ got off his fat ass to do something similar, our troops' morale in Vietnam might not have been so low.



As a Naval officer, I am extremely sensitive to styles of leadership. That is, after all, our stock in trade. And it was not lost on me that the President spent about thirty seconds shaking hands with the Admiral, CO, and CAG (If you don't know these abbreviations just look them up in your Funk & Wagnalls!) He then spent the next forty-five minutes putting himself at the disposal of the people who make that ship work, the yellow shirts, the green shirts, the purple shirts, the chiefs, the sailors. If you don't know the significance of those colored shirts, look it up in your Blue Jacket's Manual. Not dressed out in formal uniform (I understand at Bush's request), but in their greasy, smelly, sweaty working uniforms ... working a flight deck is hot, hard work. And yet he, in his flight suit, put himself at their disposal, this was their moment for 19 or 20 something year old kids a few years out of high school, to get a picture of themselves with the President of the United!
States, his arm draped around their shoulder. That is a moment that those kids never dreamed would ever happen to them, maybe not even when they knew he was coming aboard. Surely, he would see the brass, not the troops. But it was the troops to whom he gave his time ... and it was the most natural moment in the world. You might have thought it was a family reunion, and in a way, it was.. Bush is one of them, the common man, and while he is still the most powerful man on the planet right now. He hasn't lost his touch for them. .



Was it a political moment? What moment of a president's life is NOT a political moment? Was it grandstanding, to come in to an OK pass to a 4 wire, a bit high in close, correcting, left of centerline? Well, hell, he didn't fly the approach anyway, though I understand from the pilots who flew him that he did a pretty good job at formation flying, tucked in close for a lead change. You can always tell a fighter pilot, you just can't tell him very much. And apparently after thirty years, it all comes back, with a little coaching, I am sure. Frankly, I would have liked to see him come aboard in an FA-18, but the Secret Service vetoed that, and Bush accepted their judgment ... again, a mark of a good leader.



If you had spent some time in the service, instead of the Klan, you might understand the significance of that moment to all the men and women aboard the Lincoln, and indeed to all the men and women in the service who shared that moment vicariously. But you chose the bed sheet instead of the uniform, and so you don't. I am half-tempted to move to West Virginia just so I could vote against you in your next election.



Lewis F. McIntyre CDR, USN (Ret)







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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 06:54 PM
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1. They are always a bit behind, you know?
I am also extremely sensitive to styles of leadership.

Now, as soon as I see some leadership, I will tell you what kind of leader Bush is.
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MsUnderstood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:14 PM
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5. Sad that we can send an army to Iraq
But we can't teach it to use proper grammar. . .

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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 06:58 PM
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2. LBJ
LBJ made a totally secret and surprise visit to Viet Nam. It wasn't a media event and there was no hype before hand.

Just saw some pics on the Discovery Wings Channel a week or two ago. It was billed as one of the strangest trips ever made by Air Force 1 because nobody, no even the crews knew that LBJ intended to go to Viet Nam before he announced it to the staff in Australia.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:58 PM
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7. did any air france pilots mistake af1 for a gulfstream 5 at that time?
just wondering
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:01 PM
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3. in your Funk & Wagnalls
Just as soon as I find my blue leisure suit & white shoes!

Bless this old bastard, "Gulf carrier deployments under my belt"
sure knows how how to identify the traits of a "leader".

I suppose its a good idea to have the military, it gives semi-retarded
individuals such as this something to do.

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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:01 PM
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4. What a moran!
Perhaps if LBJ got off his fat ass to do something similar, our troops' morale in Vietnam might not have been so low.
Somebody tell this idiot that LBJ went to Vietnam (in '67, I think -- you'll have to look it up) on an equally failed morale-boosting photo-op.

Heheheh, that's ironic: LBJ went to Vietnam, and Bush* didn't.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:36 PM
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6. Wonder what the REAL pilots thought
of this fool playing dress-up in his pressed flight suit and not having the brains to unfasten the flight harness, so he walked around like he had a broomstick up his butt all day?

You'll note every REAL pilot has the sense to unfasten the flight harness before he tries to walk.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:52 PM
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9. I wonder that too
How can they not see him for the fake that he is? Or is it more of the Republicans=good on militariy, Democrats=bad on military? I just deleted the email and didn't bother to reply.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:54 PM
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8. I don't recall Nixon going to Vietnam
though LBJ did.

Nixon DID go to China, though. But no American troops there.

Somebody give that clown a history lesson regarding LBJ.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:59 PM
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10. Alarimer: send this pic to that idiot and everyone else on the e-mail...


President Johnson with General Westmoreland meeting troops in Vietnam.

Ask him if he can find any of Smirky in the same locale. (I'm thinking "no") :eyes:
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