Battlestar Galactica (new one) fans: WHO IS THE 5TH CYLON??

[Phillycat]

So, the show's going to start back up in April, supposedly, and we'll all find out who the 5th Cylon is.

*****SPOILERS THROUGH SEASON 3 BELOW THIS POINT******














Okay. Still here?

So, this is speculation, of course, but I think the 5th cylon is Laura Roslin, and here's why.

1. It has to be a main character, and since we already know the Chief, Tigh, Sam, and Tori are the first 4, that leaves Baltar, Old Man Adama, Starbuck, Lee, and Laura, really. Unless they want to cop out and make it Gaida or someone minor, but I don't think they'll do it.

2. The old man would be a really interesting choice, since he's sort of the moral center of the show. It would be the ultimate expression of "humans are really no different from Cylons". However, I think he's ruled out because he had two children, and Hera, Sharon's child, was supposed to be the miracle baby, first Cylon/human child.

3. After everything that's happened with Starbuck, I just don't think they're going to make her the 5th Cylon. She's got something going on, and since Lee did watch her plane blow up and then all of a sudden she's back, it builds a case that it could be her, but I just don't think so. Call it intuition.

4. Laura got a sudden headache or some sort of pain when they entered the nebula, as the others were experiencing their "All Along The Watchtower" moment. Also, and this is the big thing for me, she had that dream in the opera house, and who were the others who had the simultaneous dream? Six (Cylon), Sharon (Cylon), and Hera (half Cylon). How could she have shared consciousness with them if she herself wasn't a Cylon?

5. Baltar is the ultimate representation of human failing, so I don't think it will be him, plus the Cylons told him he wasn't one, and he witnessed the 5 in the temple, so it wouldn't be him, would it?

6. The other option is Lee, but since he is Adama's son, I doubt that too.

So, those are my theories. Can you tell we just finished watching Season 3 last night? :D

[Jokerman]

1. Well Laura was injected with blood from the "miracle baby"...

So that may explain the headache and the dreams.

Would a cylon be dying of cancer and need the blood?

Starbuck seems like the obvious choice at this point which may mean she isn't but that could be an interesting double twist.

Basically I have no idea which is why I can't wait for the new shows.

[Phillycat]

5. Can a cylon get diseases?

I don't know!

I agree, Starbuck would be almost too obvious, and doesn't really allow for the payoff that her character arc should get, about where she went and how she came back. "Well, I'm a Cylon." "Oh, okay then. That explains it."

A little too pat, you know?

[Cannikin]

11. Cylons get diseases...and I think Roslin would be to obvious

Knowing Ron Moore's trickery...then again...maybe he WANTS me to think that!

See the 3rd season episodes starting with 'Torn' about the disease.

[Benfea]

37. Of course cylons can get diseases.

Remember the biological weapon Roslyn and Adama were planning on using against the cylons?

[Dr. Strange]

2. racaulk floated #5 to me earlier.

I got to thinking about it, and I think there is a good possibility of that. Perhaps he isn't exactly Adama's son, but rather was found by Adama during the original Cylon war. Maybe Adama "adopted" him, thinking he was just a human kid that had been kidnapped by the Cylons.

I think in some sense, Baltar is the most cliched choice. He is the ultimate representation of human failing, and he also comes up as sort of a Christ figure at times. Instead of God-become-man, he's Cylon-become-man, and ultimately leads the Cylons (unwittingly) to annihilate the humans.

And with Starbuck...who the hell knows what's up with her? Her character is all over the map!

[Phillycat]

4. Lee would be interesting...

especially considering the arc his character's taking, pulling away from his father. Maybe that's why the old man said, "I'm through giving you orders". Maybe he's been so hard on him because he knows Lee is a Cylon and he wants to raise him to be a good human, and he's just given up.

On the other hand, didn't we see Lee with the people who were hearing the music, and he didn't hear it? I'm not sure about that... I can't quite remember if he was in any of the scenes in the bar with the radio.

Dualla is another choice, but I think that's a copout like Gaida. I just don't think people will care that much.

[Benfea]

38. That would be entirely too convoluted.

Besides, in order for your explanation to work, not only Lee, but also his brother Zach must be secretly adopted.

[DS1]

3. I just want the damn thing to start

x(

[Phillycat]

6. I'm glad we just finished it last night.

I wouldn't have been able to wait as long as you people have. :D

[Cannikin]

9. I did the exact same thing, now I'm driving my S.O. crazy talking about it.

He can't get no relief.

[xmas74]

17. Got "All Along the Watchtower"

stuck in your head still?

And that's a great pic. I've got tons of ideas swimming in my head. As I've reminded someone else here one of our five had a son with with a human recently. At least we think she's human.

(I'd bet Cally would stay human or the story won't be as dramatic.)

[Cannikin]

7. You should all see this before you begin to speculate. Afterwards, I'll join in!

Be sure to click on the goblet next to Tigh. It is the most significant part.

BTW, Does anyone else here that music? There's too much confusion here.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20169703,00.html

[Phillycat]

8. Huh.

If none of them is the Cylon (and I don't really trust Moore not to try to trick the fans), then it has to be someone minor - Gaita, Dualla, Hot Dog, hmmm. I guess it could be Cali. I hope someone throws her out the airlock if so - I HATE Cali.

[xmas74]

12. Not necessarily.

That could be a case for Adama. Yes, supposedly Hera was the miracle baby but you might have forgotten that one of our newly discovered Cylons has a son.

[NC_Nurse]

57. Where's the Admiral? Guess he must be the Cylon.

Didn't Leobin tell Laura that Bill was a Cylon in the episode where he was captured on Gallactica?

[Cannikin]

61. move the slider. He's on the far right with Sharon and Helo

[NC_Nurse]

63. Duh...never mind.

:dunce:

[Cannikin]

66. I only know because I did the same thing!

:silly:

[radfringe]

10. I've narrowed it down to three

[Cannikin]

14. Its my guess that it could only be...

The Shat

[DS1]

16. *snort*

I'd take the joke and laugh at myself if that were the case.

[Benfea]

39. I'm guessing none of the above.

Generally speaking, the most intensely flawed humans turn out to be humans and not cylons (Tigh being the exception).

[theredpen]

13. Jenna Bush.

[Nickster]

15. I'm betting that Old Man Adama is the 5th cylon. My ultimate theory is that they are all actually

different generations of cylons.

[Call Me Wesley]

18. I posted this before. So here goes again, the final Cylon unveiled:

[Dr. Strange]

21. (snicker)

[Cannikin]

23. ...

[Call Me Wesley]

24. LOL!

I guess they have the new quadruple core inbuilt.

[Benfea]

40. Meesa knows you WRONG!

Everyone knows that Darth Jar-Jar (he's a sith, not a cylon) is currently serving in the oval office.

[Call Me Wesley]

46. Meesa's your daddy!

;)

[Cannikin]

19. "And the fifth, though still in the shadow yet clawing for the light, hungry for redemption...

...that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering." - the 'Razor Hybrid'



The full prophecy:

“ Soon there will be four, glorious in awakening, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves, the pain of that revelation, bringing true clarity. And amidst confusion, you will find her... Enemies brought together by the apostle, enemies now joined as one. The way forward, once impenetrable, yet inevitable. And the fifth, though still in the shadow yet clawing for the light, hungry for redemption, that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering. I can see them all, the seven, now six self-described machines who believe themselves without sin. But in time, it is sin that will consume them. They will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching, the agony of the one splintering into many. And then they will join in the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning. ”


Oh, and his final words...

"Kara Thrace will lead the human race to its end. She is the herald of the apocalypse, the harbinger of death. They must not follow her. As my own existence comes to a close only to begin anew in ways uncertain. All this has happened before and will happen again, and again, and again, and again, and again............."

[Phillycat]

20. Well, hell.

That's clear as mud!

[NewJeffCT]

26. Prophecies have a way of doing that

then, everybody can claim it came true

[vincenzoboy]

22. I don't know n/t

[NewJeffCT]

25. It's Lee...

Mercer Jr.


http://www.mercerforpresident2008.com/home.html

[Phillycat]

27. Damn you!

LOL

[Dr. Strange]

28. He'll find Earth...

(All Three).

[racaulk]

42. ROFL!!!

You got me! :rofl:

[soleft]

29. But we saw Cara as a child. Cylons don't age do they?

Dualla as major a character as Sam.

[Phillycat]

30. True on Dualla.

Hera (half-Cylon) is aging, and Tigh has obviously aged, since Adama's known him for 40 years...

[soleft]

31. Yeah.....what's up with that?

I thought maybe for the humans who seem to have such history, maybe the cylons killed the actual human and replaced them with a replicant.

[Phillycat]

32. Hmm...that's interesting.

But I thought there were only 12 Cylon models, period.

It could be, as someone said above, that they are an earlier model of human-looking Cylons.

I hope Ron Moore sticks to his self-made rules, though. Otherwise, we're in X Files territory and I wasted enough of my life trying to puzzle THAT mess out before realizing even Chris Carter had no idea wtf he was talking about...

[DS1]

34. Maybe God is the 12th Cylon, and we were on the 'wrong team' all along

;-)

[soleft]

47. That's why I'm happy to hear the new Xfiles movie is a "monster" episode

no mythology arc - yay!

[Babel_17]

55. Anders probably has aged too

He was a sports celebrity, he must have had a college and high school record.

[Cannikin]

33. I'm almost hoping for Dualla. Some of the speculation on her that I've read...

Something about her first name, Anastasia, meaning resurrection.

Dualla - (Dual)la

The hybrid mentions the 5th seeking redemption that will only come after terrible suffering. As focused on love as the human models seem to be, she's suffered a bit throughout the series. And Moore has hinted that we will see more of her 'dark side' next season.

[Phillycat]

35. Well, yeah, her husband cheated on her and then became a complete

douchebag at the end of season 3, so she's definitely suffered.

She is the most physically beautiful member of the cast, in my opinion (although I wouldn't kick Helo out of the sack, either, heh.)

[Benfea]

41. I've long suspected Dualla

She's in the CIC and thus close to power.

She was in a relationship with the captain's son, which essentially put her "in the loop" at the highest levels.

In her job in the CIC, she relays orders between command and the rest of the fleet, giving her unparalleled access to intelligence.

If I wanted to insert a secret agent, Dualla would be just about the perfect choice.

[NewJeffCT]

44. it would work because

the female cylons seem to be pretty attractive overall - #6, Boomer, Xena-Lucy Lawless...

[Phillycat]

45. Tory, too.

[Babel_17]

50. Interesting

Plus she dated the president's assistant. Hmm, did she dump him for Lee? Trading up?

[Cannikin]

51. Actually, sort of, and then he was murdered later that day!

[Benfea]

60. Yep.

I forgot about Billy. That's another thing you'd want an agent to do, wouldn't you say?

[NC_Nurse]

64. A woman would make more sense too because out of twelve

there are already 7 men. I would think they would want at least a 7/5 ratio. I'm kind of surprised it's
not 6/6 men to women.

[Benfea]

36. The fifth cylon is obviously Jake the dog!

Ever notice that you haven't seen him since New Caprica? That's because he's busy sabotaging the entire fleet! ;)

[laconicsax]

43. Read

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=7445277

[Cannikin]

48. Hehe..that was my attempt at starting this thread.

[Babel_17]

49. It's Dr. Cottle

Because a chain smoking Cylon is just too perfect.

More seriously, who better to NOT find any differences between Cylon and Human. He's not good at Cylon biology unless he needs to be. He discovered a vaccine for their virus pretty quick. And when Baltar was getting interrogated and things were getting interesting he said to stop it.

He helped get Sharon's baby away from her, that helped put the baby in play. So I think he maybe just hasn't been triggered yet.

P.S. The Cylons have their version of various types of humans. No version of a doctor though. (yet)

[Cannikin]

52. They do have a 'doctor' type. Cylon Simon.

[Babel_17]

54. I did remember him

but I thought of him more as a researcher/surgeon. Baby Hera couldn't get any good treatment because none of the Cylons had the human touch.

[BulletproofLandshark]

53. I would guess either Dualla or Gaeta

Just because they have the least amount of back story of any of the recurring characters. But I think it will end up being Dualla because of the pickle that would put Lee in.

[NC_Nurse]

56. I keep wondering why they make such a big deal about Hera

when Cali's baby is half Cylon too. Wouldn't they have known about her? Does that mean that
Gaylon is NOT a Cylon? Or is Cali a Cylon? But I thought they couldn't reproduce without a human
mother...confusing.

Dualla does seem like a good choice, but she's been such a minor character for much of the show. It seems odd they
would make her the all-important 5th Cylon. Wouldn't Tigh have been more of a surprise?

I've been thinking they will get to Earth and find that everyone there is a Cylon-human hybrid and they have been for
generations.

We've been watching all the seasons over again to get ready for the last season. My husband has watched them all probably at least 5-10 times
each. His guess is probably netter than mine. :)

[Babel_17]

58. Good point about Cali's baby

I never even thought of that added twist.

[Cannikin]

62. none of the human models know who the five are except for #3

...who was 'boxed' before she revealed any of them. The only ones that know there is another cylon/human hybrid are the four who 'came out' in the finale.

[Phillycat]

65. Wait, how do they know?

[NC_Nurse]

59. Kick for the evening crowd...

:kick: