L O S T

[graywarrior]

Ok, so here is what I found out on LOST easteregg site:

When Sayid finds a stack of passports in the secret room in Ben's house, he finds a stack of passports. He stops and looks at one of the passports. The passport lists Ben's name as "Dean Moriarty" (as can be seen on the Screencap on this site). Dean Moriarty is the name of one of the main characters in Jack Kerouac's 'On the Road'. In the novel Dean Moriarty is described as "the holy con-man with the shining mind " (this quote can also be found on the Wikipedia page for 'On the Road').

Also, it appears that Island time may be falling behind real time. Walt was older when he visited Locke, appearing to be about 13 or 14.

Oh yeah. It starts in an hour and 40 minutes.

[mduffy31]

1. Well that damn kid can't just stay young

1 hr 29 mins....

[LibraLiz1973]

2. POSSIBLE SPOILER

Here is my theory:

I think Claire dies and Kate takes Aaron and assumes Claire's identity.

I think this because I know someone dies and because Hurley apologized to Jack for ever going with Locke.
And what Ben said to Sayid last week "Remember what happened the last time you went with your heart instead of your gun".
I think Sayid & Hurley feel responsible in the future for Claire dying because clearly something is about to go down.

I predict Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Jin & Sun are the ones who get out. That's the Oceanic 6. But, I also think Desmond and Juliette get off too

[graywarrior]

3. Desmond's girlfriend. Penny may rescue him OR

he's in league with someone else. You think that's who Kate means when she tells Jack he's waiting for her at home when they meet at the airport?

[Jade Fox]

4. Wow. I'm impressed....

Who'd a thunk it? :shrug:

That's a good theory.

[merh]

5. Desmond and Juliette were not on the Oceanic flight

They can get off the island and not be part of the Oceanic 6.

Oh, and Ben too (and whatever other "others" who may pop up).

[darkstar]

9. I salute you

:hi:

[Dhalgren]

43. Cool Garcia hand. I used to have a t-shirt with his hand-print in

red paint on the front. The last time I saw that shirt it was being worn by a girl in the back of an open jeep, moving off down the highway. She was waving to me and the wind was blowing her (my) shirt in such a way that it looked like Jerry was waving good-bye, too. I miss that shirt...

[question everything]

11. I wonder whether Sun and Jim went back to Korea

and were not part of the Oceanic 6.

Somewhere there should still be Michael and Walt.

[merh]

13. But who was the dead man

the one that had a funeral and no one showed?

[Midlodemocrat]

15. It couldn't have been Ben. Although lots of people

speculated it was. I wonder if it was Locke?

Such a great show. I really enjoy the pumped up version of last week's episode as well.

[merh]

18. I look forward to watching it online - I get to catch parts I missed

and then there is the enhanced version of last week's version with all the subtitles or whatever they are.

I love this show, Thursdays are the only night that television matters.

[Midlodemocrat]

20. I love the enhanced version. I miss so much just

watching it. I could watch it online for hours, but alas work beckons. Well, some of the time.

[merh]

22. Saturday morning coffee

and LOST online - bets the newspaper or cartoons. ;)

[Midlodemocrat]

25. Oooh, what a good idea!! I'll lock myself in my office

and tell the kids I'm working. Think it'll work?

I don't take the paper on Saturday anymore, anyway. Not worth it. Too much drivel.

[merh]

27. I haven't had the newspaper delivered to my house since

just after my parrot died, there was no use for it. :rofl:

But I do read various papers online, but first my coffee and LOST!

[Wetzelbill]

28. I say Locke or Sawyer

but that's just a guess either way. I don't really have a theory on those.

[underpants]

39. It is safe to assume that only the major characters get off the island

JAck
Kate
Hurley
Aaron

we know

:shrug:

Ben gets off the island but probably by other means

[GreenPartyVoter]

62. We know there is an Oceanic 6 consisting of Kate, Jack, Hugo, Sayid,

and who???

Whoever was in the coffin was not popular, even with Jack. So yeah, Ben, Sawyer, and Locke make sense. Except that none of them wanted to leave the island. Maybe it was Michael? Jack might still be pissed at his betrayal.

[Goblinmonger]

41. Why can't it be Ben?

The funeral happens after Jack's beard. We have not seen Ben in the "future" other than before Jack's beard. Dead guy could still be Ben in my opinion. Maybe I missed something.

[question everything]

52. Last we saw of him he was in Berlin running some complicated

convoluted operation. I doubt that he would dare set foot on American soil.

And I doubt that Jack would be so shaken by him.

But, then, of course, nothing in this program moves in a linear, logic manner..

[Goblinmonger]

65. Maybe Ben died

before answering some questions that Jack "needed" to know which is why he feels he needs to go back to put his mind at ease. Or something.

I think the Berlin operation is several months before the funeral at the end of last season.

I love trying to figure out this show.

[merh]

6. Is that toddler one of the Oceanic 6?

:shrug:

[Connonym]

45. I was wondering the same thing

"technically" he was on the flight albeit in utero.

[Midlodemocrat]

7. Wow! What an episode!!! SPOILERS.

So, the baby is Aaron. Jack lied his ass off in the courtroom and Ben is alive in Berlin. Is that the Oceanic 6?

Great, great episode. I think Jack doesn't want to see the baby because of how Claire died. Guilt.

[merh]

10. No, Ben is not one of the Oceanic 6

He was not a passenger on the plane.

[Midlodemocrat]

14. But we don't know if he's lied about it or not.

I thought Jzck's story about how eight survived and two died was very interesting. It will be really interesting to see how things pan out.

:hi: merh, nice to see you.

[merh]

16. But the press and the public refers to the "Oceanic Six"

That would mean that the airline would have confirmed they were on the flight (because Hurley and Jack have both said they can have whatever they want, fly whenever, yada yada). We know Ben gets off the island and I Juliette and Desmond may get off the island, but they are not part of the 6.

:hi: it's good to see you too, Midlo

[Midlodemocrat]

19. I thought the same thing until tonight.

Tonight I started thinking, especially after Jack's 'testimony', that something really nefarious went on and maybe the people who were rescued were referred to as the Oceanic Six, instead of people who were actually on the plane.

And, as part of the cover up, couldn't Ben have assumed someone else's identity? The twists and turns in this show are endless.

[merh]

23. I just don't think we will be limited to 6 from the island.

And I want Sawyer safe. :silly:

[Midlodemocrat]

26. Me, too.

Safe with his boots under my bed.




:hide:

[Wetzelbill]

29. Good ol' Midlo

Lust, lust, lust. :)

[underpants]

35. Jack claimed that 8 people survived the crash and that they were in the water

the story (constructed to give Kate sympathetic cover-Sayeed didn't need any???) was that she nursed them back to health and.....well that is all we got last night.

Ben clearly had the ability to get on and off the island-we know this from the passports and various currencies.

One of the predominant theories going around is that Ben has access to a time machine. :shrug:

The helicopter- we know (sort of) from the payload delay that the island is "off" by 31 minutes is that longitude or latitude from where it should be? is it really 31 minutes or say 24 AND 31 mninutes off???? Is 31 minutes = to a day meaning that there are 48 days in a 24 hour period?????

I guess we will just have to stay tuned.....

[darkstar]

17. Oh wow. Hey. Just like old times.

Post-Lost debriefs and all....

How are you? Last I really recall was that series of photos of your new place going up. That long.

You still making the world work right? I trust you are.

I just got full-time work after my migration north.


GREAT to see you...NGU....

[merh]

21. It's good to see you, darkstar! *wavingmaddly*

Guess what - I live in a house!!!! I have a home!!!

No more FEMA case workers inspecting my life twice a month!!! :woohoo:



And I am so happy for you that you got a full time job :hug:

As you say, NGU!! :loveya:

[question everything]

24. I think that Kate gave the impression that this is her son, and Sawyer's

and this is why Jack does not want to see him.

[underpants]

34. Yes BUT that would require an explanation of the missing 8 months

Claire was 8 months pregnant when she got on the plane. If Kate really does pass Aaron off as hers then there has to be 8 months made up somewhere-unless everyone just accepts their story without question.

[mondo joe]

37. The time variance might decrease the closer you get to the island.

So while for the freighter it's like a half hour off, further away it might be days off or weeks.

Or maybe THIS Aaron isn't THAT Aaron.

Or couldn't Kate just SAY she was pregnant by some months when they crashed? Could it be proven she wasn't??

[underpants]

38. They have only been on the island 3 months

maybe 4 at this point.

So there is that.

[mondo joe]

40. But to the rest of the world it may have been 6 or 9 months, if time is running differently

there.

[underpants]

42. Right, that oculd be an explanation

:shrug:

[Connonym]

46. Plus it would take a while for Kate to go to trial

they made reference to the fact that she had been out on bail. It's GOT to be that Aaron. There are no coincidences on this show. But what's Jack's problem? Does he know that he's Aaron's uncle? But even if he did why would that make him hesitate?

[question everything]

54. We don't know how long since they were "rescued."

If Jack had not seen her for, say 5 months, and has not seen the baby, he cannot connect the dots.

[Connonym]

56. but Jack has to know that they took Aaron off the island

how could he not know she's raising Aaron?

[GreenPartyVoter]

58. Agreed., Hence why she wanted to see the psychic guy Miles, why she

wanted to leave the island, and why Jack doesn't want anything to do with the baby.

[SOteric]

64. That leaves a large logic gap.

How could Kate have taken Aaron off the island without Jack knowing:
a) that she was taking Aaron off the island, and
b) that she wasn't pregnant.

How could Kate be giving the impression that this is hers and Sawyer's son without ever appearing to be pregnant to Jack?

[Dhalgren]

44. I missed the part where Jack lied in court. What did he lie about?

And I thought that he didn't want to see the baby because of guilt, too, but i didn't know guilt from what...

[underpants]

49. Their story appears to be that only 8 people survived the crash

and that they were adrift at sea for some time (this would explain the entire plane found in the water) and that Kate nursed them back to health. Apparently 2 people, according to them, didn't make it

[Midlodemocrat]

53. He got up and told the court that eight of them survived the crash

and that Kate rescued everyone and tended to everyone, but that the other two survivors didn't make it, hence the Oceanic Six. Kate stood up and yelled, stop it, stop it. I think the guilt is getting to her as well.

It's interesting.

[graywarrior]

8. My brain is in holding pattern now

What happened to Sawyer/James? Is he still on the island with Locke?

[mainegreen]

12. What Phillip K Dick book was that?

Valis?

If a man called Horselover Fat shows up on lost, or a lot of pink appears, well....

crazy shit that's what!

THE EMPIRE NEVER ENDED

[Frank Cannon]

33. Yes, it was VALIS

As I recall, that book involved a giant, "god"-like space satellite that was sending Horselover Fat messages.

Interesting, isn't it?

[redqueen]

55. Yup!

I was very pleased to see that! :D

[Wetzelbill]

30. Maybe Aaron is possessed by Locke and then...

I got nothing.

[graywarrior]

31. What about Aaron?

Remember all those warnings Claire got when she was pregnant?

[Connonym]

48. I forgot about that!

good memory! I figure Claire must die otherwise I can't picture her letting Aaron go. If that's the case perhaps Jack feels some sense of extreme guilt over her death and that's why he can't face seeing Aaron? It's the only thing I can come up with.

[MorningGlow]

50. That would make sense (Jack's guilt)

As the de facto leader, he always felt responsible for everyone involved in the crash, plus he has that savior complex, so he'd feel guilty if anyone died who he felt he should be protecting. And not being able to prevent a young mother from dying and leaving her baby an orphan...? Yike. That should mess Jack up pretty bad.

No wonder the Oceanic 6 (at least the ones we know about for sure) are fritzing in the real world--they've got a lot of lies to maintain and secrets to keep.

Damn, I love this show.

[question everything]

32. Why was it so important for Kate to find out what Miles knew?

and why did she want to leave the island, knowing that she is still a wanted woman in the outside world?


Also, are there any "others" left, seeing that Locke and the group are camping in their place?

[GreenPartyVoter]

59. She wanted Miles to "prove" that she was preggers, which is why she had to

leave the island.

[underpants]

36. The helicopter

The helicopter- we know (sort of) from the payload delay that the island is "off" by 31 minutes is that longitude or latitude from where it should be? is it really 31 minutes or say 24 AND 31 mninutes off???? Is 31 minutes = to a day meaning that there are 48 days in a 24 hour period?????

I guess we will just have to stay tuned.....

[GreenPartyVoter]

60. Not sure. But we know that they survive because Sayid becomes a hitman

later on.

[NewWaveChick1981]

47. So is Sawyer going to take out Locke?

:shrug: Obviously, Sawyer's not happy with Locke but he's tolerating the situation. My guess is a showdown between Sawyer and Locke in the next couple of episodes. And he's not happy with Kate but ready to take her back any time. :P

Very cool episode! :bounce:

[MorningGlow]

51. WTF was the thing with the playing cards?

Dude have a short-term memory problem he's working on, or does it have something to do with "island time"? (Gives new meaning to that phrase, doesn't it?)

[RadiationTherapy]

57. They're gonna gas the Island.

Remember the box with the gas masks that Daniel says he wasn't responsible for packing? I think that they are going to gas the whole island. The O-6 will "cut a deal" with the freighter folk to leave the island alive and also formulate a plan for those who do remain behind to survive another 'purge'.

This would explain why Abbaddon wants to know if they are "still alive".

Best television of my life, hands down.

[mondo joe]

61. Makes sense. I can well imagine why a handful of the survivors would

opt to stay on the island by choice, but it's hard to conceive that dozens would.

In that context, I think some or all of the castaways outside the Oceanic 6 must be held hostage, or are dead.

[RadiationTherapy]

63. It's not an option, really...

The outside world considers them all dead. Jack testifies under oath that only 6 survived. I don't know why the 6 get off the island (some kind of deal), but I don't think the other 30+ survivors are given the chance. I think it may have to do with knowing too much about the Island.

[underpants]

66. That could have been the plan

but that seems unlikely now...hell who knows? :shrug:

[Connonym]

67. that doesn't answer as to why Sayed is killing for Ben

He's killing to protect his friends and the Oceana 6 doesn't really need protection, do they? So it has to be that there are some who remain alive on the island. Similarly, Kate comments to Jack that he's told the lie so often she wonders if he has started to believe it. Why would they lie about the original number of survivors if it wasn't to protect the ones left behind?