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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:54 PM
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Most over-rated Oscar winner, and the person who should have won?
:D :hide:

Who shouldn't have won an Oscar and who should have? :D

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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:06 PM
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1. In 1969 the Oscar went to John Wayne because he
had never won one. Dustin Hoffman and Jon Voight were both nominated that year for Midnight Cowboy, and were both far worthier. Wayne's was for a lifetime in movies rather than for playing himself in True Grit, so not sure if you could consider his win over-rated - more like undeserved.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:58 PM
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17. TOTALLY 100% AGREE! Was going to write the same thing!
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 02:23 AM
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54. Historically, this has always been an Oscar problem
A lot of actors (and producers and directors, for that matter)-- great actors, miss on the year/years they deserve to win, and end up winning for a fairly mediocre film.

Some examples (aside from John Wayne) that leap to mind:

Elizabeth Taylor for "Butterfield 8"
Paul Newman for "The Color of Money"
Henry Fonda for "On Golden Pond"
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:30 AM
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62. True Grit was a good movie, but...
Yeah, it was a lifetime Oscar. You're right.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:17 PM
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2. In 2005, a movie named "Crash" won Best Picture
"Crash" was up against a movie called "Brokeback Mountain"

"Brokeback Mountain" should have won.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:25 PM
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15. Oh YES!
And Heath Ledger should have won Best Actor that year!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:22 PM
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35. Thanks for your posts. Completely agree with both your posts.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:46 AM
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63. Agreed that was a bad choice...
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 06:00 PM
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90. Crash was a totally forgetable movie....
that was a case where all the better movies sort of cancelled each other out....weird!
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:47 AM
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111. Totally agree about Crash, but think it should have gone to Munich.
Munich was an epic film, not some throwaway piece of crap like Crash.

That and Gwyneth Paltrow over Cate Blanchett for Best Actress. I still haven't forgiven the Academy yet for that glaring error!
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:08 PM
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114. I disagree - Good Night and Good Luck should have won
However, certainly Crash should not have won.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:52 PM
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125. Remember THAT flame war?
Sheesh!

I was so pissed that night.
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:21 PM
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3. Cuba Gooding Jr.
I HATED Jerry Maguire and I thought his performance was over the top. I thought everyone else in that category was more deserving of the Oscar
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:36 AM
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104. and he has more than proven that he sucks ever since
yes INDEED
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:23 PM
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4. Worst movie ever to win the Oscar...
For Best Picture...

"Rocky"

Absolutley asinine cliche boxing movie with "star" who can barely speak English, his native language.
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:26 PM
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6. Wow, I expected the English Patient!!!!
At least Rocky kept you awake.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:28 PM
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7. When you consider that "Rocky" was against "Network" that year.
"Rocky" is a boring piece of drivel.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:05 PM
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19. It was also up against Taxi Driver.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:58 PM
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16. Consider what it was up against
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 04:01 PM by Fighting Irish
All the President's Men, Network and Taxi Driver.

How the hell did Rocky win? :wtf:


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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:18 PM
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21. 'Titanic' wins my WORST best picture
what a pile of crap that was!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:23 PM
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36. My worst picture was "The Unforgiven" -- I was devastated when that film won.
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 09:23 PM by Radio_Lady
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 11:00 PM
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51. Wasn't that the year...
...that The Crying Game and Howards End were up for Best Picture? That was a weird year all around, just like '95. They handed out snippets to people who actually deserved it (Neil Jordan for Best Original Screenplay, Emma Thompson for Best Actress) and made up for past snubs (that was the year Al Pacino finally got the statuette, I think), and then there were complete oddities, like Marisa Tomei beating Judy Davis, Miranda Richardson, Joan Plowright, and I forget who else in the Best Supporting Actress category.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 02:41 AM
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58. Delete.
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 02:41 AM by primate1
Nevermind.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 02:33 AM
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55. Seconded.
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likesmountains 52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:31 AM
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72. Amen to that...
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x-g.o.p.er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:45 PM
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30. "Annie Hall" or "Chariots of Fire"
Should have been "Star Wars" and "On Golden Pond" respectively
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 10:21 PM
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45. heh-heh, how true. n/t
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 07:33 PM
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98. BraveHeart
stunck
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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:34 AM
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108. I'm not gonna argue about the movie...
especially considering its competition that year.

But I think you are attributing Stallone's Rocky/Rambo persona to Stallone. Every time I have ever seen him interviewed, he comes across as very articulate, witty and intelligent.
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:25 PM
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5. The Departed and Scorsese......
Won and way did not deserve it. For me, The Departed was Scorsese's worst film. But like True Grit and John Wayne and others, Scorsese won for lifetime achievement.

Little Miss Sunshine should have won or Letters From iwo Jima.

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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 02:15 AM
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53. I agree
I just saw it on HBO a few weeks back. A very weak film!
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:29 PM
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8. The English Patient
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:34 PM
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9. yeah that was a boring sack of crap movie
I fell asleep the first time I tried to watch it...generally that's not a good sign
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darkstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:40 PM
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10. it's all a matter of tasste, of course, but "Silence of the Lambs"
seemed to be all out of whack for me. It won the big 5, I think: Picture, Director, Actress and Actor. And one more. Screenplay or Adaptation, maybe? It's a good movie, but that good? I can't recall the competition that year...


I've returned. I did win the Big 5 above in 1991. First movie to do so since Cuckoos Nest in 75 and only 3rd time ever.

http://www.filmsite.org/aa91.html
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:08 PM
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20. JFK, Bugsy, Beauty&Beast, Prince of Tides
were the other Best Picture nominees that year.
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Godhumor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:40 PM
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11. The one I always trot out--Shakespeare in Love
It won over an incredible list of films that were also nominated for best picture ("Elizabeth", "Life is Beautiful" (, "Saving Private Ryan", and "The Thin Red Line"). It also led to an investigation into the practice of "buying" awards and blemished Miramax's reputation.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:38 PM
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29. Saving Private Ryan is one of the best movies in the last ten years...
No doubt about it...

But going to see Shakespeare in Love was magic...

It was really like nothing before...

Smart, witty, charming...

Even Ben Afflicted looked good...
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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 10:14 AM
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78. The Thin Red Line was awesome
... I wonder though if the Buddhism, introspection, and nihilsm in it confused people though.

I remember when a friend and I went to see it (he had won tickets), as we were walking out of the theatre, the females in front of us were saying the following:
Dumb chick #1:"OMG! Did? You? Understand? Anyofthat?"
Dumb chick #2:"No! It. was. like weird!"
Dumbchick #1:"Totally!"
Dumb chick #3:"At least _________ was sooo! hot!"
Dumb chicks #2 & #1:"Yeah!"
All 3 dumb chicks: Giggles.

This was Houston, but I wonder if most Americans aren't just as stupid (just saying we here at DU are not average in any sense of the word - which is GOOD!).
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Godhumor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:16 AM
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79. When that came out I had a job as a PT assistant manager at Blockbuster Video
The response to Thin Red Line supports your assertations. My favorite was the guy who was so confused by the meaning he decided to start rooting for the Japanese.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:01 PM
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12. Out of Africa beating out Brazil and Ran for a number of awards,
Best Director, Art Direction, and Cinematography.

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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 02:57 AM
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60. Can someone explain how Ran didn't get nominated for Best Picture or Best Foreign Language film?
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:49 AM
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64. Out of Africa was a major snoozefest... only movie I REALLY
fell asleep during... :(
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:10 PM
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13. American Beauty...
Ick.

Any of the other movies should have won.
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:23 PM
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14. Gladiator over Traffic....
Travesty.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 10:22 PM
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46. I'd certainly agree there, though I thought Gladiator was a good film.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:44 AM
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74. Didn't understand how Gladiator won - but I thought Traffic was dreadful.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:54 PM
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126. I'll drink to that!
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:04 PM
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18. Wow! 16 posts and nobody's mentioned "Titanic" yet?
I didn't hate it, but I'll throw it out there just to be the first.

As for me, I don't get "American Beauty" beating "The Insider" or "The Green Mile." Or "Shakespeare In Love" beating "Saving Private Ryan."
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:25 PM
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37. Posted up above, but not in sequence.
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:23 PM
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22. Adrian Brody over Jack Nicholson
in About Schmidt, Daniel Day Lewis in Gangs of New York, and Nic Cage in Adaptation. not to mention the total snubbing of Gangs of New York that year
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:41 PM
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26. Daniel will get the Oscar this year partly because of that snub n/t
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:44 PM
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43. I tend to agree with you. DDL is a fascinating actor and even more
fascinating when he's being interviewed.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 08:46 AM
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69. He was great in My Left Foot...I bought the DVD and in "The Making of.."
featurette they said he made people carry him to the commissary and everywhere during filming...he would not get out of character even when the camera stopped...some people, I guess, feel if they stop being that character, they lose it for the next take.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:44 PM
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84. He did two other films which are quite interesting.
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 05:47 PM by Radio_Lady
http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0000358/

The Last of the Mohicans (1992) (Some people have noted they think this was his best role)

The Ballad of Jack and Rose (2005) (Written and directed by his wife, Rebecca Miller, daughter of playwright Arthur Miller)



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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 08:51 AM
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70. I was going to say that anything Jack Nicholson has won for is over-rated
but you bring up About Schmidt and I have to admit that is the only movie where I think he actually shows any acting ability at all and I really enjoyed his performance for a change.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:28 PM
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23. The pathetic Nicole Kidman for The Hours...
...biggest joke in the history of the Oscars. Julianne Moore should have won, Renee Zwelliger should have won, even what's her name from Frida whould have won, and whoever the 4th nominee should have won.

Worst Oscar Win EVER!!!!!
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:32 PM
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24. The academy was making up for not nominating her for 'To Die For'
which she should have won best actress. The best performance in her career IMHO.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:39 PM
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25. She was only ok in that...I think she's dreadful...I think it was mainly
given to her since she broke up with Tom that year...they felt sorry for her finally getting out of her sham of a marriage.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:50 AM
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65. You are correct... should have won for To Die For
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:56 PM
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32. Diane Lane
for "Unfaithful" was the fifth nominee...that was a very good year for Best Actress. I didn't think Kidman deserved it.


All the others were so much better.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:30 PM
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81. That's right....there were 4 strong contenders...
...and the ex-Mrs. Cruise...it really was a shame.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 07:39 PM
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100. yeah, I thought Moore was better
many other people could have played Woolf more effectively. And the nose! weird.


Although I do think Kidman has been great in many other films.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:55 PM
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27. Let's go back to the 73rd Academy Awards - Best Actress
Here's the nominees:

Julia Roberts - Erin Brockovich as Erin Brockovich
Joan Allen - The Contender as Sen. Laine Hanson
Juliette Binoche - Chocolat as Vianne Rocher
Ellen Burstyn - Requiem for a Dream as Sara Goldfarb
Laura Linney - You Can Count on Me as Samantha 'Sammy' Prescott

And Julia Roberts won.

One of the worst overrated performances in a long time. And Julia Roberts won.

Personally, Joan Allen should have won that year.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:27 PM
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39. Joan Allen certainly does deserve an Oscar for something.
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Va Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:32 PM
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28. Dances with Wolves
No way that should have won Best Picture over Goodfellas
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:25 PM
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38. I like your sig pic.
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 09:26 PM by Fox Mulder
:P

BTVS is one of my favorite shows of all time. :)
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:52 PM
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31. "Raging Bull" or "Goodfellas"
Losing to "Ordinary People" and "Dances With Wolves" respectively.

Also, "The Shawshank Redemption" AND "Pulp Fiction" losing to "Forrest Gump".
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:18 PM
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34. I'm with you on this one!
I will never forgive "Forrest Gump" for getting the oscar over "The Shawshank Redemption"!

What a travesty...:cry:
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:16 PM
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33. Best Animated Feature has been know for screwjobs.
Three out of the six Oscars awarded for Best Animated Feature went to the inferior film, IMHO.

2003: Triplets of Bellville gets fucked over in favor of Finding Nemo
2005: Miazaki's Howl's Moving Castle (An absolutley amazing film. Check it out. You'll love it, even if you don't care for anime, you'll like this movie.) gets screwed by Wallace and Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit. (The Academey is to Nick Park as John Madden is to Brett Favre.)

2006: Pixar's Cars gets royally screwed by Happy Feet. I saw both films. Cars was amazing. Happy Feet was crap.

My prediction is that we will see yet another screwjob in this catagory this year, as Persepolis will be fucked out of its well-deserved Oscar by Ratatouille. (Hell, in a way the nominations this year were screwed up. I never thought Surf's Up was going to be nominated. I figured that the third Nominee would be The Simpsons.)
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:34 PM
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40. Mr. Chance, see my other post in another thread. Don't agree with you about some of these, either.
"Triplets of Bellville" was a very dumb movie. "Finding Nemo" was better by far.

I didn't see "Wallace and Gromit" but "Howl's Moving Castle" was just OK for us.

"Cars" tried to make inanimate objects into living beings. OK for about the first 30 minutes, then I got squirmy. I went with my grandson, who loved the film. I did like the music, and the graphic depiction of the West. "Happy Feet" was just OK. I don't have a dog in this fight.

"Ratatouille" was fabulous, maybe more so because we saw it just after we got home from Paris and other European capitol cities.

We did not get to see "Persepolis" and I can only judge from the trailer that it looks interesting.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:35 PM
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41. Well, Miyazaki *did* win in '03 for Spirited Away (deservedly so), so
they probably weren't going to give it to him again so soon.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 09:42 PM
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42. Yes, "Spirited Away" was very well done. My grandson Michael is interested in
anime filmmaking. He starts college this September (location unknown) and wants to major in Media Studies.

Thanks for your comments.

Radio Lady
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:23 AM
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61. Very true, Very true.
And Park's works are very good He's earned every Oscar he's won. It's just that year IMHO, Howls' Moving Castle was the better film.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 01:48 PM
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80. Yeah, don't be raggin' on Nick Park.
Comparing him and Miyazaki is as apples-and-oranges as it gets, IMO. (Animation is a medium, not a genre!) They're both great in their respective ways.

But then, of Miyazaki's works, I love 'Princess Mononoke' the most and think that's the one that was truly robbed. :)
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 06:35 PM
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94. Cars and Happy Feet were both total crap! ani shorts way better than the features
Animated shorts were awesome this year!!

The features are alas ruined by the "kid factor" at least in the US -- animated = dumbed down kid shit.

This year there's actually a great animated feature, of course it's French!
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 10:17 PM
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44. Braveheart, that abomination.
Scots, don't be angry with me. I'm blasting Mel's ego trip, not historical drama. I love historical drama. I have fond memories of Patrick McGoohan in Secret Agent. I would be content to watch Brian Cox, Alun Armstrong, Brendan Gleeson, Gerald McSorley, Ian Bannen, Catherine McCormack and Sophie Marceau on most occasions, but not in Mel's little hair extension and body paint fest.

No way on God's green Earth did Braveheart deserve all its honors, especially Best Picture and -- this one really eats at my soul -- Best Director.



If I recall correctly, the other nominees that year included Apollo 13, Babe, and Sense and Sensibility, and the great Ang Lee, who directed S&S and later Brokeback Mountain, wasn't even at the ceremony, let alone nominated for Best Director.

The pig was robbed, and so was Miss Austen.

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 10:28 PM
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47. I watched "Apollo 13" for the first time in London, England last year -- great film!
And, with two grandkids, we really loved "Babe"!

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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 10:30 PM
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48. The nice thing about "Apollo 13" is that...
...it still manages to be suspenseful, even if you know the ending! Plus it has tremendous heart.

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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:39 AM
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73. Sense and Sensibility had a great cast
Yes, should have won over Mel.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:17 PM
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115. I think Braveheart won because Gibson got drawn and quartered in the end.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 10:39 PM
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49. Julia Roberts over Ellen Burstyn and Adrian Brody over Daniel Day-Lewis
plus if you want to get into movies, I'll just say American Beauty wasn't as good as several films that year.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 02:35 AM
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56. Julia Roberts over Ellen Burstyn
Couldn't agree more.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:52 AM
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76. I'll give you Julia, Ellyn should have won that hands down but
Adrian Brody was amazing in the Pianist. He deserved it - it was a role of a lifetime and the guy nailed it.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:02 PM
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120. Ellen Burstyn is the hands-down winner of the Best Shafting by the Acadamy award
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 10:49 PM
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50. FX award should have been Close Encounters, not Star Wars in 1977.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 11:23 PM
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52. Paul Giamatti for "Sideways" but he didn't even get NOMINATED
fabulous performance
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 02:38 AM
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57. Ron Howard winning best director for "A Beautiful Mind" over David Lynch for "Mulholland Drive"
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 02:41 AM by primate1
x(

Forrest Gump shouldn't have won Best Picture in '94 either.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 02:48 AM
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59. A closely related cousin to this catagory
Stars who gave a great performance that would have won an Oscar in just about any other year, except somepne else gave the performance of a lifetime. Examples:

Clark Gable lost for "Gone With the Wind" : the Oscar went to Robert Donat for "Goodbye, Mr. Chips"

Tom Hanks lost for "Big": the Oscar went to Dustin Hoffman for "Rain Man"

Dustin Hoffman lost for his gender-bender role in "Tootsie": the oscar went to Ben Kingsley for "Ghandi"

Cher lost for an excellent supporting performance in "Silkwood" : the Oscar went to Linda Hunt, who won for playing a male photographer in "The Year of Living Dangerously"

Similarly, some Oscar years have nothing to spectacular for Best Picture (sorry, Coen Bros. fans, but this year falls in that catagory). Other years have several pictures that would have won most other years. 1982 is the year that, to me, demonstrates this phenomenon. "Ghandi" won in '82. The "losers" were "The Verdict", "Missing", "Tootsie", and "E.T." -- all of which would have probably won BP in any of the 3 subsequent years (all of which were weak).
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:54 AM
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67. Not true... "There Will Be Blood" is one of the best films
of the last 10 years...
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:52 PM
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85. I'm sorry to disagree, but that's what makes horse races...
Which horse do you like in the Kentucky Derby next May? :sarcasm:
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:53 AM
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66. When "No Country for Old Men" wins over "There Will Be Blood"
I fear the Coen brothers are going to get it for being the Coen brothers... :(
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:40 PM
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83. I Predict Juno to Sneak In
I haven't seen it yet, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the vote split between NCFOM and TWBB (my fave), which will allow Juno to pull it out. Atonement could also be the dark horse for that same reason.

No matter what the critics and the Directors' Guild say, I don't see the Oscar going to a film with such bizarre violence - or the Coens would have won it already with Fargo.

I thought TWBB is just ferocious (see the Entertainment forum). P.T. Anderson takes a lot of shit for trying to make meaningful films. Eventually he will win that Oscar and leave an amazing body of work, IMO.


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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:57 PM
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88. Crisco, let's talk again in a few hours! Interesting predictions!
"Juno" was delightful, so was "Waitress" last year.

"Atonement" was a magnificent piece with superb acting and photography.

We'll have to see if Westerns rule this evening!

:popcorn:

Radio Lady
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 06:30 PM
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93. I'm Going Right to Bed After, Most Likely
Will check back in the am.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:04 AM
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103. UPDATE: I wish "Juno" had won. In fact, I wish ANY of the OTHER movies had won.
"No Country for Old Men" made our "much over-rated" list. That's BOTH of us. Hasn't happened in a long time.

He liked "The Unforgiven" and I didn't, but that was years ago.


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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:54 PM
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86. "No Country..." ended with a "WTF?" scene that no one seemed to understand.
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 05:55 PM by Radio_Lady
At least, among the audience where I saw it.

Bardem's character was like something evil out of a cartoon performance -- smash him and mash him and dash him and guess what? He still lives...
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:52 AM
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107. It ended that way because the movie was about the Tommy Lee Jones character
realizing the truism contained in the title. It wasn't about drug money or a killer with a Prince Valiant haircut. It was a wonderful ending, and as emotionally true and complete as you could wish for.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 07:52 AM
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110. did you SEE "no country for old men"???
This is a movie that would win over most historical "Best Picture" winners. It's the most deserving film in years.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:47 AM
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68. Gwyneth Paltry
beating out Cate Blanchett. I'm still pissed.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:33 PM
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82. Seconded, For Exactly the Same Reason
Gwynny got the Oscar for 1 & 1/2 reasons: who her dad was (Bruce), and what he was doing (dying).

I was a huge fan of Bruce Paltrow's work (St. Elsewhere is my all-time fave show) but no way should she have won that statue, especially for such a forgettable role.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:55 PM
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87. She hasn't been acting much lately has she?
hmmm........

Agreed, she shouldn't have won. Don't know many people who believe she should have.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:23 AM
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71. Overrated: Halle Berry
Should have won: don't know
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 06:38 PM
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96. Yeah no kidding and worst speech too.....
Hated her speech! Loved her dress though.
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:47 AM
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75. 1929
Mary Pickford wins Best Actress for her first talkie, Coquette, a horrible film. Bessie Love's performance in "Broadway Melody" was much better. Still a pretty bad film by today's standards, but Bessie makes it bearable. Pickford was the sentimental favorite, of course because she'd been in pictures forever, but she should have been given a "special" Oscar as Chaplin had the year before.



A picture from Broadway Melody, with Anita Page (who is still with us), Charles King and Bessie Love.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 06:04 PM
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92. Thanks for the memories, ClassicFilmFan!
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 06:37 PM
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95. Awesome photo!!!!
I love the classic films too -- have you ever been to Silent Movie here in L.A? Those pictures are so amazingly beautiful when shown on the proper equipment and with live score, that's a great place for us film fans!
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 07:39 PM
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99. No, but I've been to Cinecon a few times
I always wanted to go to Silent Movie but they were always closed when I came to town.
Nice to see another CFF! :hi:
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 10:08 AM
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77. Phillip Seymour Hoffman for Capote
Should've been Heath Ledger for Brokeback Mountain.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 06:01 PM
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91. Are you old enough to remember the actual Truman Capote?
PSH nailed it in a truly amazing way. Each of his roles creates a character that is unforgettable.

Heath Ledger was excellent in "Brokeback Mountain" and I loved his beautiful face. His death was a true tragedy. It is such a shame that he didn't live long enough to win an Oscar.

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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:24 PM
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101. Yes I am and Hoffmann missed the mark completely
I used to watch Capote on all the talk shows when I was a kid and he captured nothing about the man. I was very disappointed in his performance.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:00 AM
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102. That's OK. Movies are a truly personal experience. I accept that the actor
didn't meet your standards.

Thanks for your comments.

Have a wonderful week! We're headed to Hawaii and getting packed up is fun!
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 07:31 AM
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109. Otherwise, there'd be only one movie critic in the world
And that would be a shame.
While you haven't convinced me to change my opinion, you've managed to make me extremely envious of your trip to Hawaii. Have a great time there. :hi:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:38 AM
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105. YOU nail it, Radio_Lady
PSH was AWESOME in Captote - truly AMAZING
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:59 PM
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89. SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE! Aviator! Also...Cate Blanchette
Hated that move and hated Gwen Paltrow in it!

CB is a good actor but gets nommed for EVERYTHING and I HATED HATED HATED her cornball Kate Hepburn in the dreadful "Aviator!"

"Howahhhd! Open the door Howahd... BLECH!!!
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yorgatron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 07:33 PM
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97. Marcia Gay Harden over Kate Hudson.
Pollock;alcoholic moron drips paint on floor,gets idea to drip on canvas instead and sell it to idiots.marries a sourpuss who should be ecstatic when he dies,thus making his art worth more,hey,she's still young.
Almost Famous;totally awesome movie about real people,yes they're rockstars and groupies,but you end up liking them more by the end of the movie,despite their foibles.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:39 AM
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106. lord I cannot STAND Ms. Harden
just her face irritates me.....however, I dislike Ms. Hudson too :o
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Ano Genitus Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:31 PM
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117. Boy, I hated Almost Famous.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:59 AM
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112. A new addition...Marion Cotillard!
If you play a singer who sings a lot in a movie, do your own damn singing...I suspect ageism at play, and also they didn't want to give another award to a Brit..spread it around.
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:00 PM
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113. No one else has mentioned this so I will - Alan Arkin over Paul Giamatti last year
There is no way that Arkin should have one for Little Miss Sunshine over Paul Giamatti in Cinderella Man.
There is a part of CM where PG is trying to convince Jimmy Johnston to let Jim back into boxing. The range of emotions on his face in that scene alone should have done the trick for anyone with a brain in their heads, but noooooooo we had to give it to the little indie film that could.

I hate trendy.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:18 PM
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116. I'm with you on that. Giamati was fantastic in CM.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:55 PM
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118. Arkin and Giamati were not nominated in the same year
Cinderella Man was a few years earlier. Last year it was Eddie Murphy who was suppose to be the shoo-in for Best Supporting Actor when Arkin pulled out the shocker. Many claim that Murphy's next movie released, Norbitt, turned voters off of Murphy since it reminded them that Eddie turns out put out more Razzie quality movies than award-winning stuff.

The year that Giamatti was nominated for Cinderella Man was 2006 and he lost to George Clooney. I've seen both movies and to me it was pretty much a tie for whom was better. I thought Syriana was an amazing flick and Clooney pulled off a great part.
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:38 PM
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122. I apologize. I get my mock outrage at the Academy all riled up and then I get it wrong!
No matter his behavior when he didn't win, Eddie Murphy should have gotten it. He was Jimmy Thunder!

Boy do I feel sheepish... :blush:

I agree that Clooney was good in Syriana, but I do think PG edged him out just a bit. I totally think Clooney should have gotten the award for the screenwriting for Good Night and Good Luck.


This was the first year I didn't see the pictures so I couldn't accurately make any picks. Who won the DU pool?
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:59 PM
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119. Chicago was a suckie film especially when compared to "Gangs of New York"
I watched the movie once and could barely finish it. Although I though I thought there was some minor stellar moments like any scene with John C. Reilly or Queen Latifah, overall I was bored and annoyed with the movie. I hardly felt that Catherine Zeta-Jones deserved her win but it was rumored that her husband Michael Douglas spent about $1mil on lobbying Academy members into voting for her for the award.

So not only was "Gangs of New York" ripped-off of it's Academy award, so was Meryl Streep for her role in Adaptation, which was way better than Catherine Zeta-Jones. Streep played the writer of the novel that Nicholas Cage is to adapt and she turns from this upscale New York writer to a woman hanging out with white-trash Chris Cooper in search of elusive Orchids that when ground up gets you high.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:03 PM
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121. Kim Basinger for L.A. Confidential
Who should have won? Anyone but her.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:44 PM
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123. I actually liked her in the part but felt that Julianne Moore was a bit better
Best Actress in a Supporting Role

Winner:
L.A. Confidential (1997) - Kim Basinger

Other Nominees:
Boogie Nights (1997) - Julianne Moore (I)
Good Will Hunting (1997) - Minnie Driver
In & Out (1997) - Joan Cusack
Titanic (1997) - Gloria Stuart
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:48 PM
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124. Julianne Moore rules.
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 03:48 PM by devilgrrl
Did you see her in 'Far from Heaven? Absolute brilliance! She was nominated for that one. She's one of my favorite actresses.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:55 PM
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127. Denzel Washington for "Training Day"
For some reason, that year Hollywood decided that the Oscars needed to make up for 70 years of snubbing black actors and actresses and gave the Best Actor/Actress awards to Denzel Washington and Halle Berry for inferior movies. I hate when awards are given out for a political/sentimental reason. Besides, of all Denzel Washington's body of work, that was probably one of his least memorable movies - and this year he doesn't even get nominated for his amazing performance in "American Gangster."
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