LOST - MAY contain spoilers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LibraLiz1973]

I'm not going to spoil anything for ya'all- I just want to say that tonights episode is an intense, amazing, roller coaster ride. I cried. Was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

Pay attention!! There is SO MUCH going on.

[mainegreen]

1. Wow.

I wondered how they would keep things fresh, after two years of 'island/bio-backfill'. What would they do?

Damn.

They're good!

I still want to know about the shopkeeper lady (and those like her) in Desmond's flash-back last season.

Somehow it's tied in to this.

[LibraLiz1973]

3. How freakin INTENSE was tonight????

I felt like Ike Turner had thrown me around a bit by the end.
Very emotional.

[MotorCityMan]

112. Agreed; very intense episode tonight

And I was shocked to find myself crying at the end. I really like Desmond and Penelope as a couple. I think they have great chemistry, and I think their part to the whole story is going to major.

If they have a tragic ending to their story, I am going to be PISSED!!!

[graywarrior]

2. That was the most emotional and beautiful episode ever

[LibraLiz1973]

4. I never actually cried during an episode before

I was bawling

[graywarrior]

5. I was pretending I wasn't.

But I was...big time.

[lost-in-nj]

66. I have cried many times

especially when a major character dies...

Shannon and her brother,
Charlie,

last night......

many times....

when Rose and Bernard reunited.....
and alot of times Hurley is involved....

great episode last night


lost

[nuxvomica]

6. 2 questions:

Is this the first time they used the phrase "unstuck in time"?
Why couldn't Sayed find some other way to power that phone? :shrug:

[LibraLiz1973]

7. In answer to question #2...

I think Sayid just did what he did "on the fly" so to speak
to help Des right then and there. Doing it that way must have
been the quickest alternative. And like Des said... it was perfect

[nuxvomica]

8. Oh, right

Desmond had a "deadline", didn't he.

[graywarrior]

9. And Penny knows way more

otherwise she would not have been looking for Des for 3 years. Doesn't her dad have something to do with the island?

[LibraLiz1973]

10. I was DYING to know

what she was trying to say to him when she said "I know about the island"


And what up with the dad bidding *and winning* that secret diary about a ship that used to belong to a Hanso?????

[philosophie_en_rose]

49. She spoke with Desmond's friend ...

CHARLIE! I think Charlie is also unstuck in time for some reason.

I loved this episode so very much.

[redqueen]

60. Yes!

I almost forgot about that...

[underpants]

74. *gulp* you mean like when he visited Hurley????

Oh CRAP!!!

[redqueen]

88. Or she might have been referring to the phone call

when Charlie talked to her from the underwater thing... remember?

[underpants]

90. Check THIS out

6:37 and no it isn't a Rick roll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPCCcXarkc&NR=1

[redqueen]

92. Huh... did that sound like Kate's voice, or am I imagining that?

Hmmmm...

[underpants]

93. Hard to say

I thought they met at the abbey and she ran into him when he was going into the school/slash he was going out

come on stupid brain!
Hate stupid brain :grr:

[redqueen]

97. I don't remember that...

but there's an AWFUL lot I don't remember. :P

Do you mean the time they had that picture taken, perhaps?

[underpants]

98. Now I have confused my own self

4:00 Friday. My brain is shutting down

QUICK!! PUT IN THE NUMBERS!!! THE NUMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LostinVA]

94. No, she meant she talked to him already -- when Charlie died

Remember?

[philosophie_en_rose]

119. Right.

Poor Charlie. :(

[question everything]

69. Didn't she have two Russians, or where they Brazillians

searching for him at the end of season 2?

That bizarre scene that was never explained later?

[mainegreen]

11. Of course. He bought the Black Rock log.

He's involved. Hell, I think he might be the uber-bad guy.

[LibraLiz1973]

13. Holy shit!! It was the black rock ship log???

I didn't get that. Good one!!!!!!

[Pacifist Patriot]

54. Help me out with that one. I knew the log had to be significant...

but I don't remember what the Black Rock was.

[LanternWaste]

56. Black Rock was the wrecked slave ship...

Black Rock was the wrecked slave ship Kate, Jack & the French Chick retrieved the dynamite from at the very end of season one.

"Dude-- you have some, uh, Arzt on you..." :)

[LostinVA]

95. It's how Widmore finds the Island -- has to be

The Hanso fmaily owned it -- one of their ancestors was on the Black Rock. Hanso Institute = Dharma.

[LanternWaste]

101. Hanso family ancestor on the Black Rock?

Hanso family ancestor on the Black Rock? Was that referred to in one of the eps?

(Damn-- as clever as I think I am sometimes, I seem to miss SO frikkin' much on that show...)

[LostinVA]

102. Yes - I can't remember where -- I'll get the episode from my BIL

[fight4my3sons]

83. ooh, you're good

didn't even think of that.

[northzax]

76. you saw it

he bought the ship log from the old whaling vessel at the auction house. the ship went to the island.

[Fleshdancer]

12. That was the BEST episode in a long long time....

which is saying a lot considering this has been an incredible season so far.

I can't stop thinking and wondering about that very last scene. WTF???

[LibraLiz1973]

14. Yeah- that was crazy

But it made sense. Funny that Daniel had never gone back and re-read that part before.

[graywarrior]

15. Was it there before?

[redqueen]

46. Nope...

he changed the past when he sent Des back to meet himself.

[Midlodemocrat]

16. Did you guys catch the numbers being repeated over and over tonight?

First by Faraday to Des, then at the auction, the ship's log had the same number 243 or whatever it was and then Penny's address was 423.

A whole lot going on tonight. Great, great episode.

[graywarrior]

17. They'll be teaching LOST courses at Harvard in a few year.

[Wetzelbill]

21. I would love to give a lecture on something like that

:)

on edit:

I accidentally hit it too soon. :)

But yes, like for a Film/Video Theory class. LOST would be perfect to study.

[graywarrior]

26. The plot is a kaleidescope of many points leading to one conclusion...maybe

Could be many conclusions. The writing is genius.

[redqueen]

47. And if you watched the enhanced version from last week,

also Kate's docket number.

[Pacifist Patriot]

53. Anyone know if they connect with the numbers that had to be entered into...

the computer to "save the world."

[LostinVA]

96. Most of the numbers did last night

Coordinates Damiel gave, address, auction paddles, etc.

[Wetzelbill]

18. Halfway through it... it's freaking awesome! nt

[Wetzelbill]

19. "How is a rat running through a bloody maze going to help me!!!"

:)

[graywarrior]

20. I want to keep the entire episode in my head forever

[fujiyama]

22. I have to say...One of the best episodes ever...

Emotionally intense. Wow. I love this show.

I have to admit I was tearing up there at the end, and it looks like I'm not the only one.

[Wetzelbill]

30. agreed

I can barely type. :)

[hedgehog]

23. I had to leave 10 minutes in to go pick up a kid at the high school!

and it was cold out there, too!


I missed the middle 30 minutes!

[graywarrior]

24. Be sure to watch it again next week or catch it online

[question everything]

25. Rights. Could not figure whether it was a flash back or a forward flash or what

Was glad to finally see Fisher Stevens after seeing his name in the credits since this season started. Too bad he did not last long.

[soleft]

27. It has really returned to its season one glory - spoiler inside

The first year I cried my eyes out almost every episode. I LOVE the Desmond episodes. And I guess every picked up on the Black, Black Rock, what's the name of the pirate boat?

[Sheets of Easter]

61. The Black Rock.

And there must be something REALLY important in that Black Rock journal for Widmore to bid so much on it.

[Pacifist Patriot]

106. I didn't. I don't think my brain is up to this show. I have a very vague memory...

of the pirate ship let alone remembering its name. I'm such a loser!

[MorningGlow]

28. Abso-frakkin-loutely incredible

What a mind phk. Interesting comment, about whether Desmond had been exposed to radiation or electromagnetic energy.

Zoinks. I'm still reeling. And snurfling. I love it when they focus on Des and Penny--what a love story.

(And, to bring it down to a more earthly level--one hour of Desmond! YUM! :9 )

[Wetzelbill]

29. Penny and Dez have an epic love story

In ever episode that deals with them, you can feel the hurt, you can feel the love, it's so beatiful and painful all at once it makes me think of every woman I have even remotely had feelings for and/or had feelings for me.

I am almost in tears. They always make me feel like that.

That is one of the best episodes ever. Easily. Great episode. What an interesting ending. Wow, just awesome.

[Goblinmonger]

68. I cried, too.

Now I don't feel like such a big wussie. It was probably the best episode yet. Will take a lot to top it.

[Frank Cannon]

31. My wife and I agree: That was the best episode yet.

That may have been one of the best episodes of sci-fi TV ever. Everything about it was awesome.

[Wetzelbill]

33. oh yeah, it was unbelievable

I think it's my favorite ever. But having just watched it, having it so fresh in my mind, I may be biased. It was magic though.

[Frank Cannon]

35. I think this one will stand the test of time

It was a great standalone episode, in that it didn't go into all the other confusing storylines that I'm not sure everyone is really able to keep up with. And it was able to fuck with your mind while keeping you riveted to the screen the entire time.

This one was definite Emmy material. If not for the writing, at least for the acting.

I have to admit that I wept like a baby when Desmond made his phone call... and she answered.

[Wetzelbill]

36. I could my parents a few minutes after the show

Not because of the show, but I was just waiting until it was finished to call. I must have sounded so emotional still, because my mom goes: "Bill... are you crying?" hahaha I had to say no, because I wasn't but, damn, it was about all I could do to keep from choking up, so yeah, I had to sound emotional, I'm sure.

Oh it was fantastic. I would say you're right, Emmy material. Desmond and Penny, they always make my heart feel all weird, lol. So much emotion, so much love, yet so much pain. Just awesome.

[LibraLiz1973]

117. I agree

[grace0418]

32. You know how some episodes leave you saying WTF? Well this episode was so good

that I didn't care that I have no idea what's going on. There's so much that I've forgotten since season one that I can't begin to piece it together. But damn if I'm not enjoying the hell out of the ride. Lost is back in a BIG way. I hope the writers are writing like crazy so we don't have to wait forever to see more episodes.

[Connonym]

34. Or they can take their time if it means coming up with this kind of brilliance

I Tivo it and usually watch it on the weekend but tonight my sister (who normally tries to spoil every episode for me) would only say "indescribable, you have to see it." So I did what any normal person would do, I took a long lunch break (I work at home) and watched it during work. So I have to work late to make up for it. It was SO worth it. My only complaint is that Desmond and/or Sayed should have been shirtless for at least part of the episode.

Also, the guy from the sick bay, the communications guy who died -- has that actor been on the show before? He looked really familiar.

[grace0418]

43. No, but he's been on a million other shows before. His name is

Fisher Stevens. We always remember him as one of Phoebe's boyfriends on Friends who declared, when she dumped him, that he hated her friends "with their coffee, and their BIG. CUPS. Which I'm sorry, might as well have nipples on them." It's a line my husband and I quote a lot (yes, we're dorks) so we of course immediately shouted that out as soon as we saw him.

I think he was also on that show about the guy who got a newspaper from the future every morning, with a problem he had to solve.

Anyway, back to Lost, I totally agree the show needed more partial nudity from Sayed or Desmond (damn, there are some fine looking men on that show). But other than that it was truly outstanding.

[question everything]

72. No, that was Kyle Chandler on Early Edition

and last time I saw him was blown to bit on Grey's Anatomy

[grace0418]

79. Actually, he was on Early Edition (thanks, I couldn't remember the name). He was the

neighbor or friend, I can't remember. But it's on his imdb profile, along with a billion other small parts. The guy keeps busy, that's for sure.

[chemenger]

59. When I first saw the communications guy strapped to the bed

I thought he was Locke (with hair). Something about the facial structure and the eyes resembles Locke. It took me a few minutes before I realized that he wasn't Locke.

[Connonym]

99. me too!

I was thinking maybe it was Locke from a parallel universe or something. They do resemble one another quite a bit. Glad I'm not the only one who was momentarily discombobulated by that.

[question everything]

71. Fisher Stevens, we heard his voice on the phone before talking to Jake

until they removed him.

Which brings me to another question: he said that he was removed when Penny started calling the boat. How did Penny know about the boat and how to reach it?

[Connonym]

37. Do you suppose this explains how Desmond can see the future?

some sort of residual effect?

[LanternWaste]

38. The phrase "unstuck in time" was mentioned three times last night.

The phrase "unstuck in time" was mentioned three times last night. The first line of the book, 'Slaughterhouse Five' begins, "Today, LanternWaste (sorry-- I don't remember the protagonists name) became unstuck in time..."

I'm beginning to wonder if the tripping in Slaughterhouse Five was the genesis of the idea Lindeloff & Co. had in screwing with our little minds...

[redqueen]

48. Billy Pilgrim

Good catch! <3

[lukasahero]

39. Ha - I thought I was the wacko who cried

I couldn't believe I actually found myself doing so but Des and Penny were great and I felt like we'd been waiting for that for Desmond for 3 years. What a payoff!

[underpants]

40. Didn't we see Desmond at the same setting as Oxford once before?

It looked very similiar, didn't he run into Penny there once?

[underpants]

41. Q: So tell us. Who is Ben's man on the freighter?

A: You find out, but not for a few episodes.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2008-02-27-cusick-lost-qna_N.htm

[LanternWaste]

42. My money's on...

My money's on the Communications Officer who died in the third act last night as Ben's mole on the ship. Just a gut feeling...

[redqueen]

50. But he was tied to the bed when the door was left unlocked

so they could escape.


The helicopter pilot perhaps? He has been very helpful...

[LanternWaste]

57. Dammit. You're right-- unless...

Dammit. You're right-- unless... well, even the simplest theory requires too much brain power. Another poster mentioned it could be Michael and/or Walt which makes some serious sense in a lot of ways now that I think about it.

Anyways, last night's episode was one of THE best episodes of any TV show I've ever watched-- it may crack the my top 10 list.

And yeah-- I got a bit misty eyed when Penny and Desmond both began telling the other, "I love you. I'll find you. I'll find you. I promise!" over the phone.

My pal Alan is beginning to think that the Penny & Des relationship is the fulcrum to the shows entire plot-arc. Who knows.

One! Trippy! Episode!

[MorningGlow]

63. Pen and Des

"My pal Alan is beginning to think that the Penny & Des relationship is the fulcrum to the shows entire plot-arc."

That was EXACTLY what I started to suspect after last night's ep! Like they're the underpinning of the whole thing. I don't know why exactly, except the age-old anchor to any story--love. We humans are suckers for that and basically softies at heart... :loveya:

[MotorCityMan]

113. I just mentioned that above

I believe Penelope and Desmond are going to be very central to the whole story. I've thought that ever since the end of season two, where Penny gets a call that they found something (Des had turned the failsafe on the hatch after Locke didn't input the numbers).

Both actors are terrific in the roles. SO believable as a couple. I cried last night at their phone call. It was like the episode where Desmond was in the hatch and was going to kill himself (I think it was season 2) and he found a letter from Penny. Had me in tears.

[RockaFowler]

44. Michael

Michael has to be Ben's mole on the ship. He's really the only one who makes sense. I also think Michael opened the door for the guys last night in the Sick Bay.

I am looking all over the internet today to see what others think of this episode. It was so good, I can't get it out of my mind. Penny and Desmond are star-crossed lovers in time.

[Connonym]

51. Michael!

Brilliant theory. It fits together really well. That makes me wonder if it was Walt who sabotaged the communications room so that Michael couldn't communicate with Ben.

[Pacifist Patriot]

55. I think you're right. That's been my guess since Ben mentioned a mole.

[underpants]

58. That has been the conventional wisdom

not to take away from your figuring that out by yourself but that has been pretty much what everyone thinks.

BTW- remember that Desmond left onceon the sailboat but returned-I think the magnet in his compass got screwed up from the magnetic force of the island.

[graywarrior]

62. Oh oh oh! YES!

You rawk!

[MorningGlow]

64. And who's the captain of the ship?

All that talk about him, but we haven't seen him yet. Hmmmm...

[Jade Fox]

115. Let's not forget that Ben NEVER TELLS THE TRUTH....

He could be making up the mole on the freighter story for his own nefarious reasons.

What a great bad guy!!

[redqueen]

45. Oh it was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO good!

So unbelievably good... the best of its kind, ever, hands-down.

Three things though:

1. Why didn't Desmond ask the other guy to tell Penny about Des during one of his jaunts to the past, like Des did while talking to the Faraday in the past? No guarantee it would have worked, but worth a shot... or maybe he had to talk to Penny himself... hm.

2. Is Faraday a baddie? That part about Hume being his constant if things went wrong... it seemed ominous. I don't want Des to die. :(

3. Why did Kate refer to Aaron as her son? I could have sworn last week she said "Eric" at the end, but I watched it muted this time and got the closed-captioned version.

Ok, now I'll go back and read the thread. :)

[question everything]

75. Attempts at replying

1. It took Desmond a visit to Faraday to figure out that he needed someone to talk to whom he cared both in the past and in the present. He had to meet Penny in person to get her phone number. And she had to trust him enough and to love him to give it to him. He was too confused to try to explain it to anyone and Penny would have never believed this coming from a stranger.

2. I don't think that Faraday is baddie, besides the fact that he is employed by the baddies. Describing Desmond as "constant" has to be related to physics where when every other parameters change, Desmond is the constant.

3. I think that presenting Aaron to the world as her son prevented him from being taken to a foster family, assuming that Clair is gone. And it may have something to do with what Clair was told back in Australia, about the importance of her raising him. Perhaps Kate was the best next thing.

[underpants]

80. She clearly said "aaron" at the end of last week

I think we may have found out what happened to Daniel mental abilities. He may have zapped himself back and forth between times so often that he hurt his brain (the card memory thing)

:shrug:

I could have SWORN that Penny and Des had a meeting in a setting very much like the outside grazzy area at Oxford.

[redqueen]

85. Yeah... I misheard it.

Maybe you're thinking of the abbey where they met?

[Pacifist Patriot]

109. I think he designated Hume as his constant because he knew..

he would meet in him the future and therefore was a guaranteed constant.

[redqueen]

110. Yeah...

Heh... I don't know what made me see it as having some kind of evilness to it... maybe the color of the ink... or the music. :P

[Jade Fox]

116. I thought Kate said Eric too....

when I watched it on TV, but when I watched the show again online she clearly said Aaron. :wtf:

[Pacifist Patriot]

52. I tape it so I can rewatch and pick up on stuff I miss.

I still miss way too much.

[Goblinmonger]

65. Desmond and Penny are "Adam and Eve"

I used to think that it was Jack and Kate, but last night made me think differently.

[MorningGlow]

70. Just please tell me

Just please tell me that they don't time travel to the 1940s and end up being the dead couple the losties found on the island in the first season...that would warp my brain too much...(and it's warped enough already!)

[graywarrior]

67. So does this mean that everyone has a constant?

That they've all been there before? Locke seems to know about things before they happen. Does he understand this. In season one Sawyer says to Kate: I made this wish four years ago.

From lost's easteregg site, a theory

Locke knows it’s his destiny to go to the island. He sees Boone’s death before it happens. He knew Theresa fell up and down the stairs. He knew where the hatch is. He knew the Beechcraft crashed.

Widmore and Hanso and Dharma have found the island and know of its properties…and are working with the Valenzetti equation…the doomsday mathematical equivalent for the end of the world, and have figured out that through the island it is possible to travel back and forth, but have yet to find a way to change the actual outcome.

another question
Jack..in the future…talking about his father being alive? Is he having flashes? When he tells Kate they have to go back…Does he mean back to the island? Or back in time?

[philosophie_en_rose]

73. Alan Dale = Evil

Torchwood
Ugly Betty
Lost

[mondo joe]

77. True! When he showed up on Lost last night I had my own Desmond time moment and thought I was

watching Ugly Betty.

[redqueen]

86. He was on Torchwood?

Was he one of the guys with the alien meat?

[philosophie_en_rose]

107. No. He was in 'Reset.'

I think Reset is episode 6, which was two episodes ago. :)

[redqueen]

108. I saw that one... I think...

maybe I just have it recorded, but haven't watched it yet. I know I've seen that title. :P

Thanks! :hi:

[northzax]

78. so, out of curiosity

at the end of the show, which Desmond are we talking about in 2004? the one from 1996 or the one from 2004? mentally, did he just lose eight years?

[Pacifist Patriot]

105. They are one and the same. I don't think he lost the eight years...

they were just subtly different in ways he wouldn't even recognize. Much like Daniel at the end discovering his note to himself in the notebook.

It's one of those mental time travel things that will leave you spinning unless you decide to jump off the wheel. So I'm sticking with my answer because it works for me.

[northzax]

118. i know they are the same person

but does he remember sayid, for instance, or is his brain still stuck in 1996?

[LostinVA]

81. GENIUS THEORY!!!

I read about this in the spec thread on TWOP:

ADAM AND EVE ARE ACTUALLY JACK AND KATE!!!

In Season 3, when they go back, something happens where they must go into a different time rift and they wind up in the past on the Island, and become not only the Adam and Eve bodies found, but they are actually the genesis of the group we know as the Others!!!!!

[Pacifist Patriot]

104. Way too weird.

[LostinVA]

82. One of THE best episodes ever!

Questions were answered, questions were given, the Desmond and Penny thing made me tear up, there were lots of mind fuck moments, the early Daniel was cool, Cusiak deserves an Emmy for last night, imo. We had the Black Rock diary, evil Widmore, and pretty much no Jack -- yay!

Any episode where I scream at Haruka to Wikipedia the Faraday Effect to figure out something that just happened is a good episode! (The irony is, I did quite poorly Physics -- too much math!)

[underpants]

87. 6:37 the DHARMA initiation video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPCCcXarkc&NR=1

[Pacifist Patriot]

103. I have to watch last night's episode again.

Heck, I need to go back and watch everything from the beginning all over again. These threads just make me realize how much I miss!

[Ava]

84. poor desmond

can't WAIT for the next episode

btw, did anyone else notice that the dude that played the doctor on the boat also played a character on last night's episode of eli stone?

[underpants]

89. Yeah I noticed that

Eli Stone is a good show but unfortunately the hour after LOST is a dead zone-everyone gets online, on the phone, or in a conversation about what they just watched. Eli Stone BTW was "sick Boy" in "Trainspotting". The accupuncturist is a fantastic TV character too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPCCcXarkc&NR=1

[Ava]

91. i really like Eli Stone

and i never get online immediately after lost... during the evenings i'm not on the net much because it is my chill out time. hopefully there are others out there like me that watch eli stone because i'd hate for it to go off the air.

[CreekDog]

100. You mean to tell me their plane crashed???

I am sooo behind the latest fads.

[Bake]

111. I have to see it again to catch all this stuff!

Can't wait for next Thursday's enhanced re-run!!!!!!

Bake

[SOteric]

114. AWESOME!!!!!

And Heeeee! - I told DS1 months ago that I thought shifts in time had something to do with what was going on with the Losties.