I call bullshit on IMDB's Bottom 100 movies of all time.

[Pale Blue Dot]

http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom?tt0364986

First of all, I seriously doubt that 8,310 people have seen The Hottie and the Nottie. I don't doubt that it's crap, but I think people are voting for it just because Paris Hilton is in it.

Second of all, not one of the bottom 10 movies was released before 2002. Where's Plan Nine From Outer Space? Manos: The Hands of Fate? Battlefield Earth?

I think the list is total bullshit, and I refuse to back down from that position. :grr:

[quip]

1. I wouldn't know; of the entire list, I've only seen 1 movie: "Bolero"

Got to see plenty of Bo Derek's bottom in that flick, so I'll give them that! :rofl:

[ironflange]

2. thats the only one ive seen too

two hours of boredom with the occasional idiotic softcore scene thrown in

poor george kennedy must have really needed a paycheck

[KitchenWitch]

10. any bo-nipples?

[quip]

12. Paw-lenty! Hubba.

[KitchenWitch]

13. Geshundheit!

How dare you bring Timmy No Tool into this!

:rofl:

[quip]

14. Bahh! Hey, I've heard his name bandied as a possible Veepublican!

My wife went to high school with his wife!

:hi:

[KitchenWitch]

15. I have heard that as well.

x(

[geardaddy]

31. That was my first though.

[leeroysphitz]

3. and why bother voting for all these straight to video "B" movies.

It's like trying to rate the 100 worst smells in a sewer. Whats the point?

[Pale Blue Dot]

5. I (mostly) agree.

Bad "B" movies need to stand the test of time, like Robot Monster or Plan 9. To do that, they have to be bad in a very special way. I think a few of Uwe Boll's films may deserve to be on this list someday.

[flvegan]

4. Well, No 37 stars Carrot Top, so SOME of it is accurate.

Chairman of the Board. What a nightmare of a flick.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

6. or as Norm MacDonald called it

Chairman of the BORED
and
Box Office Poison

From an old Conan episode when Norm was the followup guest to Carrot Top's leading lady from the film and she was still on the couch beside him

[OmahaBlueDog]

18. About Carrot Top

In a past life, I worked in a courier service. It was a family business. Our first employee outside the family was an aspiring comedian who'd written material for Gallagher. He was a helluva nice guy and a great worker. I remembered seeing him at a club called Hagarty's in Boca Raton, FL in '88 or '89 and thinking "there's no damn way this guy's ever going to make it in show business."

This (and the fact that he's always been incredibly goal oriented and focused) show's why I'm not a talent agent, and why Carrot Top is a millionaire entertainer.

[YDogg]

40. Just had to. You can thank me later.

[Dr. Strange]

7. Well, at least one of Ed Wood's works made it: Jail Bait.

But Plan Nine and Glen or Glenda both had higher suckitude levels.

[SarahB]

8. Bottom movies?

You mean like Secretary?


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[OmahaBlueDog]

19. Not THAT kind of bottom movie!

[underpants]

25. LOL --LOVE the sigline GIF

Okay one part orange juice and oooooooooooone paaaaaaaaaaaaaart Voooooooooodka

:bounce:

[Chovexani]

9. Manos was at the very bottom for a long time

There was actually a fair amount of wanking on the IMDB boards over it a while back, because people were accusing MSTies of unfairly skewering the voting.

[laconicsax]

39. How many non-MSTies have actually seen that movie?

[Chovexani]

44. That was the whole point of the controversy.

A relatively small group of people were skewering the results in favor of an obscure movie that pretty much only they'd seen.

Being a MSTie, I'm a bit biased so I don't know if I buy the argument--but I do know that as bad as Manos is, there are movies which are far worse. I'm talking movies that don't even have Manos' camp appeal, stuff that is just absolute unwatchable dreck that no amount of drunken riffing at 3 am can salvage.

It's almost a cliche among MSTies to name Manos as the worst movie ever made, but it wasn't even the worst movie ever riffed on the show (though it was up there). I'll take Manos over Monster-a-Go-Go or Hobgoblins any day of the week. Or shit, that black and white German production of Hamlet they riffed on in one of the last seasons on Sci-Fi: one of the very few episodes I could hardly sit through, and one that I've never had a repeat viewing of. Riffing couldn't even save that, its cardinal sin was being boring as hell.

[begin_within]

11. Their "Top 250" is also complete bullshit.

No "Tokyo Story."
No "Au Hasard Balthazar."
No "Soy Cuba."
At least they got "The Bicycle Thief" on the list, but at #104, below such films as "Batman Begins," "Sin City," "Terminator 2," "Reservoir Dogs," "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind?" Who are they kidding? "Bicycle Thief" is an entire league above those films.

[JVS]

16. I totally have to see this, I might need to change my DU handle

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0400172/

[LanternWaste]

23. If you changed your name to that, I'd buy you a beer

If you changed your name to that, I'd buy you a beer (and then snicker every time the name was mentioned...)

[speedoo]

35. I wanna see it too.

Some of the character names from the cast list are pretty interesting. Actually they are all pretty interesting.

[OmahaBlueDog]

17. The problem with this list (and the AFI top 100, and a bunch of others)

You have a lot of voters who are a) younger and b) not necessarily students of film, so the lists tend to skew toward more recent material. That's why anything made in the last 5 years should be DQ'd from consideration, and to get any kind of meaningful list, you'd have to survey over several years and list the films that keep appearing again and again.

About Ed Wood: He has 2 things going for him. 1) His films cost next to no money, so what would you expect, other than they be really bad and 2) They are so bad, they're endearing.

To find really bad movies, I think you have to look at two criteria. The first is how much did the movie cost, and how much did it lose as a percentage of it's total budget. The second is how much star power the film had in writing, directing, or acting. Think about it -- a low budget film with unknowns is expected to be bad. I think you also have to be circumspect in looking at sequels, which are often lacking all the stars and writers in an original... and you also have to put Hollywood sex films in their own category; a film like Bolero (or Wild Orchid, or Showgirls) is essentially aimed at the same market as soft core porn, and one shouldn't have really high expectations of plot or dialog. When you look at it in that way, certain films on the list emerge as being truly horrid, such as Gigli, Leonard VI and Ed. However, many far more deserving flicks, such as The Adventures of Pluto Nash, The Alamo (the Disney remake), One From The Heart, Heaven's Gate, Ishtar, Howard the Duck, The Honky Tonk Freeway, Far & Away, etc. are missing.

[PVnRT]

20. You left off Inchon

Why can't movies less than five years old be considered? I fail to see the connection between old and good, beyond those films that stand the test of time. And I think it's just plain elitist to say that people who aren't students film have invalid opinions. Movies are entertainment, too, so if a movie is entertaining but not "artful," why can't it sit on the list with movies that artsy but boring as shit?

[OmahaBlueDog]

21. I'll grant the elitist point

... but if you don't give the movie some time, you don't get good perspective on where it sits on the all time" list. So in 1998, many would have put Titanic on a top 100 all time list. Now, many would put it in the bottom 100 (not me, but others).

And you're absolutely right, Inchon belongs on the list.

[PVnRT]

26. I guess I can buy the time argument

As for Inchon, any movie never released on video really has to be bad.

[OmahaBlueDog]

36. However, if you really want to recommend a movie from recent history

Lindsay Lohan's "I Know Who Killed Me" will probably make worst-of lists for several years to come.

[terrya]

22. I certainly agree with "From Justin to Kelly"

I had heard how horrible it was. It was on cable one evening and I was just curious as to how bad it could be. It was more horrible than I dared thought possible.

[annonymous]

24. Why isn't Ishtar on the list or Baby Geniuses 2?

Watching Istar was like a slow motion train wreck. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, it did. Another movie I absolutely hated was My Stepmother is an Alien. I turned that turkey off about 30 minutes into the movie. I noticed Baby Geniuses made the list but Baby Geniuses 2 was much worse. That one was stupid beyond belief. It made Baby Geniuses look good. Another totally lame sequel was Cheaper by the Dozen 2. Even my kids thought that movie was dumb and they aren't known for their discriminating taste in movies.

[OmahaBlueDog]

28. I remember a party game from back in the late 80s

They'd get everybody in a room and put he Ishtar video in. Anyone who could actually sit through the thing would get a door prize.

[Angleae]

37. Baby Geniuses 2 is #19 on the bottom 100

[Zavulon]

27. I haven't seen a single one. I wanted to see "Zodiac Killer" until several friends

told me in no uncertain terms to stay the fuck away.

Plan 9 from Outer Space is so bad it's funny. No way there aren't 100 movies less popular than that one.

[theredpen]

29. "The Hottie and the Nottie" grossed $27,696 *total*

So no more than 3,000 people could possibly have seen it in the theaters.

I don't know if it's been shown anywhere else. I'd be afraid to send it out over the TV distribution satellites, personally. In a few hundred years, the signal might reach an alien civilization inspiring them to come and destroy our planet.

[skater314159]

30. Russians love it...

... but not for its quality.

They like to look at Paris Hilton as a symbol of American stupidy and decadence.

It makes life in bleak post-Soviet Russia look better to see that Americans are stupid and can't act for shit. It makes you feel better to know you don't want to go to America, what with George Bush and Paris Hilton fucking up the country.

[KamaAina]

42. That may well be proof that there is a God. And I'm an agnostic.

So no more than 3,000 people could possibly have seen it in the theaters.

Maybe they gave away a ton of passes? Come to think of it, that would've been a neat publicity stunt for some morning shock jock...

[geardaddy]

32. Manos is listed at #23

23. 1.8 Manos: The Hands of Fate (1966) 16,077

On edit: *smacks head* re-read your post and you said they weren't in the top 10 of the worst.

[pinniped]

33. I'm also calling BS. Snake Eyes is not on the list.

.

[speedoo]

34. Well they nailed "Glitter" (no. 32).

Except that it averaged 2 stars. I personally could not give it more than zero.

[Political Heretic]

38. I don't know, but Boxing Helena isn't on there, so the list is bogus!

:)

[KamaAina]

41. Pshaw! No Hudson Hawk?

I mean, really. That was the role that proved Bruce Willis would be perfectly cast as a stiff, in The Sixth Sense. :P

Plan Nine may have been DQ'd because "it's so bad, it's good". Similarly, "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes".

edit: caps, phrasing

[MrScorpio]

43. Phat Girls shouldn't be on that list

Obviously, the viewers were expecting a joke a minute cartoonish portrayal of plus-sized black women and instead got a lighted hearted love story between a woman who struggled with her weight and the man that loved her as she was.


People suck

[Pale Blue Dot]

47. That's another problem I have with this list.

It seems that movies with black casts make the list much more easily than equivalently-reviewed movies with white casts. You're right, people suck.

[Bombtrack]

45. speaking of Paris Hilton, please vote for her new best friend, Benjy Bronk

http://parisbff.com/people/BenjyBenjy

[HughBeaumont]

46. Hell, I call bullshit on BOTH their lists.

Like it's been stated before, only a scant amount of imdb's community are film students and afficionados, and they also have more than their fair share of freepers. One can tell based on the many AA-themed/starring movies in the Bottom 50 that really don't deserve to be there (although Daddy Day Camp did suck the balls of the dead).

Granted, some of the top 250 are legitimate classics. But to have all three Lord of the Rings movies in the Top 30? I mean, COME on. They're not even in the same league as Hitchcock, Kubrick, Lean, Kurosawa or Welles, sorry. Same with Star Wars. I mean, I like watching the series and the effects were great for their time, but great writing isn't exactly in the cards there, is it?

A classic, whether good or bad, is one that stands the test of TIME. Just to put a Paris Hilton movie on top of the shitpile over Manos, Eeegah or Bride of the Monster is missing the point.

A touch of irony would be Ed Wood's actual films in the Bottom 100, while his biopic is in the Top 250.