4_Legs_Good
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Fri Apr-04-08 01:27 PM
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How can I get a record of every traffic ticket I've gotten in my life? |
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I'm applying to take a federal exam, and one of the questions on the background section says I have to report essentially every law I've ever broken. So I answer that I've gotten 4 tickets, but I have no records of them. They come back and say (on a form letter) that I need to supply records of all the details, etc.
I have no f*cking idea exactly when I got these tickets, and have only a vague guess at when/where/for what they were. I don't have the records, some were 10-20 years ago.
I pulled a DMV report for 7 years, and it's clean, but I *KNOW* I've gotten at least 2 in that time, though one was out of state and another was on a Federal facility.
So what the heck am I supposed to do???
Any ideas???
David
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Fri Apr-04-08 01:51 PM
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1. More & More Gov't BULLSHIT |
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JESUS H. CHRIST. That's such utter BULLSHIT.
THIS COUNTRY IS A FUCKING JOKE!!
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Fri Apr-04-08 01:57 PM
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2. Traffic violations come off your record after three years |
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Fri Apr-04-08 02:11 PM
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5. Maybe so, but here's the question: |
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"Have you ever been arrested, charged, or held by Federal, State or other law enforcement authorities for any violation of any Federal or State law, or any county or municipal law, regulation or ordinance? (Do not include any misdemeanor before your 16th birthday or traffic violations for which the fine was $100 or less.)" I can boil the question down to read: "Have you ever been... charged... by law enforcement authorit for any violation of any... law? (Exclude any traffic violations for which the fine was $100 or less)."
Is there any way to read that that says I don't have to report Traffic violations <b>EVER</b> committed where the fine was over $100?
The background also states: "Candor and truthfulness are significant elements of fitness relevant to practice before the United States Patent and Trademark Office. You should, therefore, provide the Office of Enrollment and Discipline with all available information, however unfavorable, even if its relevance is in doubt, with regard to the questions asked below."
IOW: When in doubt, disclose.
So I did.
Now I have to find the documentation!
David
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Fri Apr-04-08 02:07 PM
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3. They want to know misdemeanors too....or only felonies? |
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Fri Apr-04-08 02:15 PM
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"Have you ever been arrested, charged, or held by Federal, State or other law enforcement authorities for any violation of any Federal or State law, or any county or municipal law, regulation or ordinance? (Do not include any misdemeanor before your 16th birthday or traffic violations for which the fine was $100 or less.)"
Which I couldn't figure out how to read other than answering yes if I had ever received a traffic violation with a fine of over $100, and what freaking fine is < $100? A co-worker just got a seat-belt ticket that ran $106!
So, I read it to mean felonies, misdemeanors and infractions. Do you agree?
David
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Fri Apr-04-08 02:09 PM
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I think you will just have to report as best you can remember.
FWIW, I went to law school a couple of decades ago with a guy who was initially denied admission to the bar simply because he too ommitted some many years old traffic violations (including a DUI) from his bar admission application. Many of his newly licensed classmates showed up at his formal hearing to testify that he had the good character to be licensed.
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Fri Apr-04-08 02:13 PM
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But a DUI is a misemeanor. All of my violations are infractions, so I'm wondering if they actually count, but they are a violation of the law for which I was charged, so I expect they have to count.
I did submit with my application a list of what I could remember, but apparently that wasn't good enough.
Hmmmm...
David
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Fri Apr-04-08 02:42 PM
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FWIW, another of my law school classmates had to fully disclose involvement in a misdemeanor investigation for which no one was ever arrested. And it was not an offense that involved violence, lying, fraud, stealing or misappropriating assets. Go figure. Thing is we also had folks in class that were known to use (and rumored to deal in) illegal substances (other than weed). No questions raised about their fitness or character.
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Fri Apr-04-08 02:48 PM
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9. Yow! This moral conduct is a high bar! Amazing you can be President |
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and bomb civilians, no problem! But involvement in a misdemeanor investigation for which nobody was arrested requires disclosure!
Thanks for the tips. I'll get to work!
David
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Fri Apr-04-08 02:59 PM
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10. They purge everything after seven years now |
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It's been 31+ years for me (pats self on back) but my friend at the local POOLICEE station says after seven years, there is no records kept.
Unless you want to try the FBI and see your personal file. They have everything.
Forever. If you are a threat to National security.
If you aren't, then you just hit the hornet's nest with the broom stick.
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Fri Apr-04-08 11:07 PM
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13. LOL, pulling my FBI file for speeding tickets! |
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Wow, might have to actually do it. I wonder how long it takes, probably 2 lifetimes.
Great work on 31+ years since your last ticket! I was proud of myself for 5 years!
David
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Fri Apr-04-08 04:05 PM
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11. Tell them what you told us. |
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Document your efforts to obtain the required information, and send them copies of those documents along with an explanation of the steps taken and the results. If you have made reasonable efforts, in good faith, to obtain the information they request and due to circumstances beyond your control are unable to obtain it, they should (legally) accept that as your fulfillment of their requirement. If they don''t, keep going up the chain of command and ask them, specifically, what more they want you to do.
Good luck.
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Fri Apr-04-08 05:13 PM
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I think that's my best bet. My boss even just called our corporate attorney and asked him, and he just laughed at how rediculous it was.
Oh well!
David
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