So, if Christian Bale's the best Batman....

[Hobarticus]

....anybody else looking forward to a new Terminator movie, with Christian Bale as John Connor?

[DS1]

1. I'd read that it was axed recently

could be wrong, of course

[Hobarticus]

3. They've swapped the titles a few times, I think...

But it's still on for May '09.

They're trying hard to "reset" the franchise, much like Batman. Bale must be the go-to guy for franchise fixing.

[AlCzervik]

2. i love Christian Bale, i thought he was really good in 3:10 to yuma and American Psycho

and he's just really frigging handsome on top of being talented. I look forward to seeing any movie he's in.

[Hobarticus]

4. Ever see the Machinist?

Egads.

The guy is a terrific actor. Ain't scared to take on anythin'.

[AlCzervik]

6. yup, i think i've seen everything he's been so far. His weight loss was staggering.

[nomorenomore08]

9. Yeah, I'd put his performance above Tim Robbins's in the vaguely similar "Jacob's Ladder,"

although I still think "JL" is the better movie overall.

[Danger Mouse]

5. As long as it's understood that T1 and T2 are cannon, T3 is motherfucking NOT. In. The. Least.

Could we maybe do the same thing for the Alien movies, make it like Alien3 and Alien: Resurrection never happened?

[DS1]

7. I'm down with that

[AlCzervik]

8. Alien 3 is like The Godfather 3---they never happened.

[DS1]

10. I liked it better than 4

I'm a huge fan of Fincher, and I just like the atmosphere of the movie. I don't think it's that bad

:hide:

[Danger Mouse]

13. The movie itself isn't bad. The atmosphere is pretty good.

It's the fact that it completely ruins the point of Aliens. Completely.
That ruins an otherwise good movie for me.

[DS1]

14. What was the point of Aliens?

To action-up the genre?

[Danger Mouse]

29. well, nah...i think they're both excellent...if you take them individually.

alien is the more subtle, suspenseful one.
aliens is more action-y and fun. paul reiser is SUCH a dirtbag in that one...just love watching him get his.
anyway, the point of the movie was ripley's bond with newt and hicks, and her acceptance of bishop as a good guy....basically, giving her a purpose and a reason to live on.
alien3 destroyed all of that for no reason.

[DS1]

30. Yeah, it's true. That was flushed down the tubes in the credits, quite literally,

but I don't think it detracted from the story ~that~ much. Hicks could have been a big factor, I guess, but he wasn't there. The girl was just annoying anyway heh. All of these events lead to her suicide in the end

[AlCzervik]

15. I liked "Zodiac", yes i was the one. I saw AVP Requiem this week--blah but i did notice

in a hat tip to the original they named one of the Characters "Dallas".

[DS1]

16. He did Fight Club, of course

and Panic Room (which wasn't much to work with, either)

The new AVP was a huge improvement over the first, which isn't saying a lot, but it was interesting to see the military take on the Aliens - and of course get wiped out

[AlCzervik]

19. ok than maybe you can answer a question about avp 2, is my tv just messed up was the movie really

super dark, i had trouble seeing a lot of what was going on. the only way i could tell the difference between the Predator and the predator/alien hybrid was when they had a side shot.

[DS1]

20. I only saw a shaky-cam bootleg taped in the theatre with someone's head in the way

so I'm not your best resource for this movie, but yes it did seem dark.

[AlCzervik]

21. ok thanks, it was dark and of course---wet!

[DS1]

24. You know why they do that?

It makes rendering CGI quicker, because there are less reflections and lights to worry about (especially the Sun, which really increases render time because it's so powerful and its light bounces off everything and adds all sorts of calculations to each frame). All the reflections in shiny things can be dulled with less precision, as well.

Monsters in dark in rain simply means low budget, these days. Take Matrix 1 versus Matrix 2. All the fight scenes in Reloaded were outdoors during the day.

[AlCzervik]

26. no kidding? I'll be watching for that the next time i watch something with monsters.

[Hobarticus]

23. Boy, the first AVP was terrible...

All I could think of was all those die-hard fans screeching in disappointment.

[Hobarticus]

22. You're not alone, I liked Zodiac...

I thought the facts were a little fast n' loose, from what I've read, but I really liked the atmosphere.

So AVP....kinda "meh"?

[DS1]

25. Me too. I don't mind a slow movie if it's got a good story behind it

[AlCzervik]

27. AVP was really dark--thanks to DS1 i have an explanation as to why. Maybe i need a better

tv as well but i had real difficulty seeing much of what was going on and you know how dark these movies are anyhow but this one was like Catacomb dark. I really liked the first AVP, maybe i'd like this one better if i could see the damn thing.

[bikebloke]

56. The Director's version of 3

I liked the director's intended version better than the theatrical one.

[Danger Mouse]

12. Seriously. Seriously. It took all that was good about Aliens...

and coated it in foul, foul idiocy.

[Cannikin]

17. The same as Aliens did to Alien...

"We're doing a sequel to Alien, except this time we're going to take away all suspense and replace it with nonstop gunfire and endless whining from Bill Paxton...well, not ENDLESS whining. While we're at it, lets take away all that is alien about the Alien and make them analogous to bugs!"

[DS1]

28. In Paxton's defense, Hudson is still the most accurate short-time Marine on film

Trust me :)

[The Animator]

60. He was also in Swing Kids.

A Disney movie about German kids who liked to swing dance although it was outlawed in Nazi Germany.

[Rabrrrrrr]

42. YES!! Also stricken from canon shall be Batman and Robin, Batman Forever, Batman Returns, and

Austin Powers 3, Spiderman 3, and X-Men 3.

[Howler]

11. Best Batman was .......

Val Kilmer! I thought Christian Bale was good But kilmer was the best. Kilmer made Batman a little darker and edgier much closer to the Dark knight comic book versions.

Bale totally rocked in "American Psycho", and the movie "Equilibrium":hi:

[DS1]

18. Equilibrium was utter shite!

:D

[DarkTirade]

37. Yes... but it LOOKED cool.

And in a Real Fight™ that's what really matters. :P

[DS1]

41. It looked cool maybe 10% of the time

the rest was obviously normal everyday stuff like Chevys with white cardboard over all the normal controls.


The fight scenes should have killed production of the Matrix 3, but clearly weren't cheesy enough. I don't know what Bale was thinking with this one. I think he read a good script, then discovered he was in a cheesefest during filming.

[Howler]

54. LOL!

LOL!I have heard that before. But I really liked it.

[DarkTirade]

34. I liked Kilmer too, but the movie around him sucked so bad that it was hard for him to do the role

justice.

[Frank Cannon]

39. Kilmer's okay, but Bale's the best

I mean, come on...

[DarkTirade]

40. Yeah, Bale's a good young Batman.

And since he's just discovering himself, and discovering how to play his public Bruce Wayne persona, he's free to try different things with it. I REALLY didn't like Clooney's Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne isn't supposed to be some smooth ladies' man type naturally. If he's being a smooth ladies' man, he's probably acting. Which we saw Bale portray fairly well in Batman Begins.

IMO, the best Batman we've had so far is the one who's played him the longest... Kevin Conroy. :)

[Frank Cannon]

45. Then you probably can't wait for Gotham Knight to come out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuSwj5ok24k

I was pleased that they brought back Conroy to do it.

[DarkTirade]

47. Actually, I didn't know...

that'll raise his years of playing Batman up to what... 16 years now? I think the old series started early 90s, 92ish.

[Howler]

51. Woo Hoo!!!

I am really looking forward to "The Dark Knight". Man Look at all that star power Caine,Oldman,Freeman and thats besides Bale.
Though the fact it was Ledgers last movie will be very haunting. It will be interesting to see his new interpretation of the Joker especially after Jack Nickelsons classic portrayal.

[Howler]

53. I don't know?

I really liked Kilmer in "Batman Forever" I loved Tommy lee Jones and Jim Carey Too.The soundtrack alone rocked my world.I gotta agree with the Joel Schumacher critic Joel did suck at Batman That was the worst movie by far!!!

[DarkTirade]

57. I think there were a lot of talented people in the movie...

but they weren't given much to work with.

Although I thought Carey was a bad casting choice for the Riddler... he's more of a Joker type than a Riddler type. The Riddler isn't supposed to have quite that level of zanyness, IMO. Not nearly as bad as the casting in the fourth movie though... the ONLY actor who wasn't horribly miscast in that one was Uma.

And Schumacher directed that one too, the only reason it didn't suck as hard as Batman & Robin was because Burton was still involved as the producer. You can kind of see the changeover... it's still got some of the good things that the Burton ones had in it, but it's got a lot of the same visual style as the fourth one, and a little of the cliche, cheesy bits that might have worked for the old Adam West TV show but not so much for the attempt at a more serious movie.

[Howler]

58. I can see your point. Dark Tirade

the thing for me about Kilmer's Batman vs keaton's was with Keaton's Batman you know he would have always done what was best for Gotham and the people no matter what sacrifice's he had to make.With Kilmers Batman I got the impression He just might follow his passion over the good of the people. He felt a little darker a little more intense and feral then keaton's Which is precisely the way I like my Batman!!! LOL! A little unpredictable and touch chaotic.

[Rabrrrrrr]

43. Kilmer's Batman was a giant steaming pile of turd-based chocolate pudding at a fat person buffet

Yeah, it's good if you have no taste, have no care for quality, and are interested only in something that will fill your immense, non-selective stomach, preferably with as much empty-caloried fat and sugar as possible.

Val Kilmer fucking SUCKED. Worst Batman ever. (not, mind you, the worst Batman movie ever - it's only second worse, after Batman and Robin - but he is absolutely the worst Batman ever).

[Frank Cannon]

46. It's hard for me to blow too much shit on the Schumacher Batmen

since they were being directed by such a clueless asshat.

[mitchum]

52. I have aways attributed Schumacher's career to either blackmail...

or the power of the lavender mafia
What a hack

[Frank Cannon]

55. Ha ha. Me too.

That guy's got some serious Polaroids locked in a safe-deposit box somewhere.

[terryg11]

31. by who's count?

donn't get me wrong, I love the new batman series and he's great in it but Micheal Keaton was soooo much darker.

[DS1]

32. It was filmed darker, but its plot wasn't any darker a.f.i.a.k..

[DarkTirade]

33. The Tim Burton ones were good... but they were about half Batman, half Tim Burton.

And as much as I like Tim Burton, when you're doing something as iconic as Batman, you need to let it stand by itself a bit. Although Keaton did a great job, and the scripts were fairly good. Only thing I didn't like was the fact that they killed Joker off at the end of the first movie. You can't kill off a classic villain, gotta leave room for 'em to come back. :)

I actually thought Val Kilmer was a fairly decent choice for the third one, both as Batman and as Bruce Wayne... but unfortunately the movie he was in was touched by Schumacher, so it ruined any chance he may have had at being a good Batman.

Clooney... not so much. Even if that movie hadn't been purely Schumacher's, he still wouldn't have been a good choice for Batman or Bruce Wayne. I like the guy, but it's just not his role.

[DS1]

35. Yeah, Burton destroyed the second one. It should have never been made, but most of all

it should have never been made by him. I like his work in other movies, but it's always the same look and style (and music, and main actors for that matter). If I see another gate with curly metal ends, I just might :puke:


NOBODY DOES THAT!

[DarkTirade]

36. Nobody... except Tim Burton. :P

That sort of things works just fine when he's doing his own weird stuff, like Nightmare Before Christmas and Beetlejuice. Not so much when he's doing Batman.

[maveric]

59. Keaton was the best. Adam West was 2nd best IMHO.

Bale was ok. Kilmer and Clooney sucked as the Caped Crusader.

[Deja Q]

38. Can't they make a new movie about cyborgs from the future that speak like drunken wrestlers?

:shrug:

[Lethe]

48. all cyborgs and robots of the future will have Slim Pickens' voice

and as an optional add-on, the voice of Don Knotts.

[Ilsa]

44. I love Bale as Batman. Ledger as The Joker in the trailers scares me. I predict

a postumous Academy Award for Heath as The Joker.

[Forkboy]

49. Anyone see Bale in The Machinist?

Weird little movie, but worth checking out, if for no other reason than to see how much weight he lost for the role (getting down to about 120 pounds by not eating for a month).


Yes, that's Bale.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361862/

[Orsino]

50. Look for a very young Bale in Branagh's Henry V.

As Boy, Bale has a very nice scene foreshadowing the death of Robbie Coltrane's Falstaff. He can also be glimpsed in the crowd during the St. Crispin's Day soliloquy.