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Sun Jun-01-08 03:10 PM
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I can't believe Hollywood is remaking ,,,, |
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Sun Jun-01-08 03:19 PM
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1. And people say Hollywood has no imagination. |
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I mean, really, "I Am Legend 2"? What the hell's that going to be about? Two hours of zombies munching on Will Smith's corpse?
I'll be glad when the "straight to DVD" era is over and this crap goes straight to iTunes. At least that way, several million barrels of oil and tons of rare metals won't be wasted pressing pointless drivel onto disc.
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Sun Jun-01-08 03:44 PM
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I didn't share mine in the OP because I wanted to hear some others' first. But what a bundh of crap.
Starship Troopers 3? WTF? I didn't even know there was a 2. I Robot 2? Sorry guys, if the first one didn't raise ol' Isaac enraged from the dead, another one ain't going to do the trick.
It's funny because I just finished reading Replay, the story that inspired the film, Groundhog Day, only the protagonist keeps reliving the last 25 years of his life over and over. One of the things he misses is something --anything-- new, like a film or piece of music that he hadn't already experienced over and over ad nauseam. And we get these crappy sequels instead. And when they aren't churning out sequels, they're slopping remakes that are only shadows of their originals.
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Sun Jun-01-08 03:21 PM
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2. Oh the pain, the pain... |
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Sun Jun-01-08 03:39 PM
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Pink Panther 2? Jeez, Hollywood really HAS run out of ideas..
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Sun Jun-01-08 10:32 PM
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39. I didn't even know they did Starship Troopers 2! |
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Sun Jun-01-08 04:01 PM
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5. They all sound extremely missable |
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Whoever upthread said that Hollywood has no imagination anymore is absolutely right. It's all the money guys asking one another, "How formulas bring in the teenage boys?"
The imagination is mostly overseas or in pay cable TV ("Six Feet Under," "The Sopranos," "The Wire," "Carnivale," etc.)
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Sun Jun-01-08 04:32 PM
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11. I gave that some thought |
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to try to figure out why. I think it must be because the big studios are understandably risk averse. It's just safer to churn out a sequel, prequel, remake or a reboot with a built-in audience than to risk investment capital on something that is more likely to flop than succeed. Look no further than Indy IV. From what I've heard it's either the worst in the series or maybe a little better than Temple. Yet it pulled in $150M in its opening weekend.
Episodic television on the other hand, risks far less up front capital in exchange for a never-ending stream of production costs. Shows that flop get canceled. Those that don't, continue. Natural selection. And like evolution, it doesn't necessarily select for intelligence (Home Improvement), but sometimes it gets it right (The Office, The Shield, etc.
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Sun Jun-01-08 06:26 PM
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28. Risk v Reward in hollywood is a funny thing |
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A lot of times, those so-called safe bet movies cost so much to make that any hiccup in the calculus means either a loss of money, or a nerve racking wait to break even. A current example would be Prince Caspian, which is struggling to recover its 200 M budget.
A better sure bet might be investing in good directing and writing. Judd Apatow films (40 YO Virgin, Knocked Up, Talladega Nights) generally come in the 40-60 million budget range, and frequently double or triple their investment. There are exceptions (Walk Hard bombed), but as a rule, it would seem like a better investment.
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Sun Jun-01-08 07:26 PM
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30. Yeah, but even proven directors/writers fail and fail often |
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Look no further than Lucas and Spielberg just for a couple of examples. I can't really fault Hollywood for turning out crap like Indy IV with an audience willing to see it no matter how terrible. Likewise I will probably see every single 007 film Eon ever craps out just based on personal inertia.
Then there's the fickle public and the fact that studios sometimes aren't even aware of what may have caused a film to be successful. Technical limitations with the animatronic shark probably made Jaws more suspenseful than Spielberg originally intended. I still maintain that Lucas is clueless as to what made Star Wars so successful. (Hint: it wasn't the stellar special effects.)
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Sun Jun-01-08 10:48 PM
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..but a studio has a lot more upside on a chick flick, horror film, or comedy (where special effects are generally minimal, or dirt cheap) brought in for $40 M or less. Look at Knocked Up -- minimal starpower, known director, solid script. IIRC, they got a five-fold return on the production budget.
OTOH, look what happens when a film like The Alamo or Pluto Nash Bombs -- investors are left holding the bag for 9 figures.
And I disagree about Star Wars -- Lucas knows he had a good story to tell with the original Star Wars film. He had great writing, and hired an incredible cast -- a mixture of young American not-well-knowns, and experienced well known English actors. He said that special effects are a tool to tell a story -- not a means to their own end.
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Sun Jun-01-08 10:55 PM
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He said that special effects are a tool to tell a story -- not a means to their own end.
I agree with that, but I think somewhere along the way he forgot his own advice.
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Mon Jun-02-08 12:53 AM
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45. I think the fact that he runs the biggest f/x shop in the business informs his thinking |
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:30 PM
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31. Another part of the problem is that Hollywood has developed an audience |
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that thinks that movies have to have a lot of special effects and/or "action" and/or blood and gore.
Personally, I don't care if I EVER see another film where people run down a tunnel ahead of a wall of flame.
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Sun Jun-01-08 04:04 PM
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6. Anyone but Tom Jane playing Frank Castle will be a flop. |
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I like Ray Stevenson enough, but he won't pull off The Punisher like Jane did.
I would happily see the Untouchables prequel, though.
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Sun Jun-01-08 04:13 PM
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8. How can there be an Untouchables prequel? |
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The first one showed not only their genesis but the deaths of half of them. I think a reboot might make more sense.
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Sun Jun-01-08 04:20 PM
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10. If it focused solely on the rise of Capone |
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I think it would be good. The Untouchables, as I recall it, had little history on Capone, really.
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Sun Jun-01-08 05:01 PM
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Or maybe 'Growing up Alphonse?' Could be interesting. And even successful. The public seems to love mobsters.
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Sun Jun-01-08 05:42 PM
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23. So, essentially, it'll be "The Sopranos" set during Prohibition? |
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.. or maybe DePalma's Godfather Part II. Maybe he could get DeNiro to play Old Al fighting off the clap and the tax charges and have flashback sequences to a young up and comer play young Al making his bones.
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Mon Jun-02-08 11:36 AM
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58. But it should be based on true events. |
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Sun Jun-01-08 06:31 PM
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29. I think the "Untouchables" prequel sounds promising. |
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That's the only one, though. No wonder I rarely go to the movies anymore.
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Sun Jun-01-08 04:12 PM
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7. Well, at least their not doing "Independence Day II". |
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After the first one came out, there actually was talk of a sequel.
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Sun Jun-01-08 04:18 PM
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9. At least they aren't remaking King Kong again. |
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Sun Jun-01-08 05:03 PM
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13. Give them about another five years |
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:47 PM
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37. It's only been remade once, and it was done damn well IMO |
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There was no Kong movie made in 1976, and it absolutely didn't feature Jeff Bridges or Jessica Lange.
I don't know where you're getting your info, you lunatic!
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Mon Jun-02-08 12:01 AM
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44. I'm old enough to have seen the original |
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with Fay Wray in second run in theaters.
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Mon Jun-02-08 08:06 AM
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I happened to watch the original again a few weeks ago. Damn, what a film!
The first movie I ever say in a theater (well, a drive-in) was Patton. I don't remember that particular viewing so well because I was just a few months old, but still...
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Sun Jun-01-08 05:06 PM
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14. Hurry up on "Snakes on Another Plane" |
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(soon to be a real sequel :eyes: )
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Sun Jun-01-08 08:42 PM
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32. Yesh! "Motherf***in snakes on another motherf***in plane!" |
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Sun Jun-01-08 05:08 PM
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15. How the fuck can there be a Crank 2? |
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Chelios is DEAD. Is it going to take place in the afterlife?
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Sun Jun-01-08 05:18 PM
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16. Well, thanks a lot. I haven't seen it yet. |
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With people spoiling that and the Sixth Sense, why bother?
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Sun Jun-01-08 05:26 PM
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17. Is there going to be a Titanic II? |
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I would say more but I wouldn't want to spoil the first one for anyone.
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Sun Jun-01-08 05:29 PM
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They'll dig up the old ship, refurbish it, put people on it in a big gala event, and go for a jaunt in the arctic... where global warming will ensure the ship will NEVER hit another ice berg and will sail off into the sunset, happily ever after with Snow White and Prince Charming...
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Sun Jun-01-08 05:48 PM
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26. Maybe the newly opened ice-free Northwest Passage |
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Jack! I promise I won't let go!
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:41 PM
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34. Maybe Peter Jackson could direct it. |
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Then it could be twice as long as Cameron's.
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Mon Jun-02-08 07:32 AM
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46. It's still worth seeing |
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That's not something you couldn't have figured out just from reading a review. But I am sorry I revealed it...:(
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:39 PM
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33. I wondered that, too. (yeah, SPOILER, obviously) |
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I guess they have him open his eyes at the end, so maybe he found a way to survive the double-fatal dose and the two mile plunge? Maybe the cab broke his fall? Good god! :rofl:
I don't get Statham. You'd think after "The Italian Job" and his early Guy Ritchie work that he'd have been bigger by now, but he keeps taking these little low-budget, weak scripts. "Crank" was a lot of fun, but not THAT good.
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Mon Jun-02-08 07:34 AM
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47. Crank was a guilty pleasure |
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It was a video game done as a movie, instead of the other way around.
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Sun Jun-01-08 05:28 PM
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18. Hey, where's Casablanca II? |
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Brendan Fraser playing Rick (Bogart's part)?
Come on, it would soooo work.
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Sun Jun-01-08 05:30 PM
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20. Don't laugh -- a remake with Madonna had been discussed |
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Sun Jun-01-08 05:35 PM
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22. And Pee-Wee Herman in Peter Lorre's part ... |
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... man, that would be the shizz...
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Mon Jun-02-08 08:28 AM
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Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 08:31 AM by Fighting Irish
...there kinda was: http://tinyurl.com/6oogwu">Wikipedia
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Sun Jun-01-08 05:34 PM
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The writer said "Cars" was Pixar's weakest film. Untrue. Although critics didn't like it, it scored well with audiences and made a ton of money. By any reasonable measure, "A Bug's Life" was their weakest movie.
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Despite the presence of Larry the Cable Guy, Cars is a solidly-crafted and entertaining film. Pedants were quick to complain that the plot follows the "fish out of water" archetype long beloved by Hollywood (Doc Hollywood, in fact, being a prime example) but really that's an asinine criticism, even if true. Chances are good that the average eight-year-old hasn't seen the other film variations on this theme, so the concept will be fresh to them.
Additionally, the CGI is fantastic in myriad ways both subtle and obvious.
For the record, I can't stand Toy Story. Whatever its technical merits at the time, it has always looked sad and washed-out to me, and the story is thin at best.
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Sun Jun-01-08 10:50 PM
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41. You're right: the CGI is fantastic |
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On the big screen, it was eye popping. The waterfall scene was incredible.
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43. Yes! And I was particularly impressed when Red hosed McQueen |
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The spray of the water was fantastic. Compare it to the moment in Finding Nemo when Darla broke the sink; the water that sprayed her in the face looks positively primitive next to the spray in Cars (but to be honest, that's my only complaint about Nemo, and it's a minor one!)
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I was tempted to make a snarky comment about you not liking Toy Story (which I LOVE--own both on video) and ask you next thing you know you will be talking about how much you dislike Finding Nemo--btw, you want a REAL experience? Watch Finding Nemo on a HD TV...wow....
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Sun Jun-01-08 05:44 PM
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24. How can they make a sequel to "I Am Legend?" |
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Considering the ending...
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27. Maybe they'll retconn it back to the original ending. |
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It would have been much better that way.
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Sun Jun-01-08 05:47 PM
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25. Still waiting on that Ten Commandments remake |
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Keanu would make a great Moses and Ashton as the Pharoah? Sweetness.
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Sun Jun-01-08 09:46 PM
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36. You kidding? The remake is airing tonight |
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Sun Jun-01-08 10:17 PM
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38. I'm gonna go see the following: |
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Mon Jun-02-08 07:36 AM
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48. I can't wait for Citizen Kane II |
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like in the original SNL skit, where CF Kane says a couple more words...
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Mon Jun-02-08 07:51 AM
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49. Untouchables 2: Capone Rising? Is it a prequel, or is he undead? |
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The original movie was excellent, but it certainly didn't need a sequel? Are they going to tell us about Capone's time in jail? Is it a prequel, telling of his rise to power, or does he rise from the dead?
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Mon Jun-02-08 11:24 AM
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54. hopefully George Romero directs it |
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he's the only one who should direct a zombie movie.
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Mon Jun-02-08 08:10 AM
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51. I would like to see a remake of Logan's run |
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It was an interesting movie, that would probably do well as a remake.
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Mon Jun-02-08 10:14 AM
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53. None of these surprise me, not even the adapt of TV shows |
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But I AM surprised that there's no news about
Chico & The Man The Jeffersons The Six Million Dollar Man The White Shadow Space 1999 Perry Mason Popeye (yes, I'm aware...) Soap
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Mon Jun-02-08 11:27 AM
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55. Why not remake bad movies and make them better? |
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Mon Jun-02-08 11:28 AM
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56. Those aren't remakes, those are sequels. The remakes are also an abomination. |
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Seriously - remaking "When the Earth Stood Still"?
Fuck off, Hollywood.
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Mon Jun-02-08 11:34 AM
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57. I might enjoy The Untouchables: Capone Rising. |
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59. Yeah, that was the only one that looked halfway-decent |
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Especially since DePalma is directing.
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61. Thanks. I'll use this link every time someone asks me why I haven't been to the theater since |
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62. How about "Bring me the Rest of Alfredo Garcia?" |
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