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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:10 PM
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I can't believe Hollywood is remaking ,,,,
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:19 PM
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1. And people say Hollywood has no imagination.
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 03:20 PM by Kutjara
I mean, really, "I Am Legend 2"? What the hell's that going to be about? Two hours of zombies munching on Will Smith's corpse?

I'll be glad when the "straight to DVD" era is over and this crap goes straight to iTunes. At least that way, several million barrels of oil and tons of rare metals won't be wasted pressing pointless drivel onto disc.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:44 PM
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4. My feelings exactly
I didn't share mine in the OP because I wanted to hear some others' first. But what a bundh of crap.

Starship Troopers 3? WTF? I didn't even know there was a 2. I Robot 2? Sorry guys, if the first one didn't raise ol' Isaac enraged from the dead, another one ain't going to do the trick.

It's funny because I just finished reading Replay, the story that inspired the film, Groundhog Day, only the protagonist keeps reliving the last 25 years of his life over and over. One of the things he misses is something --anything-- new, like a film or piece of music that he hadn't already experienced over and over ad nauseam. And we get these crappy sequels instead. And when they aren't churning out sequels, they're slopping remakes that are only shadows of their originals.


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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:21 PM
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2. Oh the pain, the pain...
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:39 PM
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3. Starship Troopers 3?
Pink Panther 2? Jeez, Hollywood really HAS run out of ideas..
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 10:32 PM
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39. I didn't even know they did Starship Troopers 2!
I got to get out more!
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:01 PM
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5. They all sound extremely missable
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 04:02 PM by Lydia Leftcoast
Whoever upthread said that Hollywood has no imagination anymore is absolutely right. It's all the money guys asking one another, "How formulas bring in the teenage boys?"

The imagination is mostly overseas or in pay cable TV ("Six Feet Under," "The Sopranos," "The Wire," "Carnivale," etc.)
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:32 PM
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11. I gave that some thought
to try to figure out why. I think it must be because the big studios are understandably risk averse. It's just safer to churn out a sequel, prequel, remake or a reboot with a built-in audience than to risk investment capital on something that is more likely to flop than succeed. Look no further than Indy IV. From what I've heard it's either the worst in the series or maybe a little better than Temple. Yet it pulled in $150M in its opening weekend.

Episodic television on the other hand, risks far less up front capital in exchange for a never-ending stream of production costs. Shows that flop get canceled. Those that don't, continue. Natural selection. And like evolution, it doesn't necessarily select for intelligence (Home Improvement), but sometimes it gets it right (The Office, The Shield, etc.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:26 PM
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28. Risk v Reward in hollywood is a funny thing
A lot of times, those so-called safe bet movies cost so much to make that any hiccup in the calculus means either a loss of money, or a nerve racking wait to break even. A current example would be Prince Caspian, which is struggling to recover its 200 M budget.

A better sure bet might be investing in good directing and writing. Judd Apatow films (40 YO Virgin, Knocked Up, Talladega Nights) generally come in the 40-60 million budget range, and frequently double or triple their investment. There are exceptions (Walk Hard bombed), but as a rule, it would seem like a better investment.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 07:26 PM
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30. Yeah, but even proven directors/writers fail and fail often
Look no further than Lucas and Spielberg just for a couple of examples. I can't really fault Hollywood for turning out crap like Indy IV with an audience willing to see it no matter how terrible. Likewise I will probably see every single 007 film Eon ever craps out just based on personal inertia.

Then there's the fickle public and the fact that studios sometimes aren't even aware of what may have caused a film to be successful. Technical limitations with the animatronic shark probably made Jaws more suspenseful than Spielberg originally intended. I still maintain that Lucas is clueless as to what made Star Wars so successful. (Hint: it wasn't the stellar special effects.)

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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 10:48 PM
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40. No doubt they fail
..but a studio has a lot more upside on a chick flick, horror film, or comedy (where special effects are generally minimal, or dirt cheap) brought in for $40 M or less. Look at Knocked Up -- minimal starpower, known director, solid script. IIRC, they got a five-fold return on the production budget.

OTOH, look what happens when a film like The Alamo or Pluto Nash Bombs -- investors are left holding the bag for 9 figures.

And I disagree about Star Wars -- Lucas knows he had a good story to tell with the original Star Wars film. He had great writing, and hired an incredible cast -- a mixture of young American not-well-knowns, and experienced well known English actors. He said that special effects are a tool to tell a story -- not a means to their own end.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 10:55 PM
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42. Lucas
He said that special effects are a tool to tell a story -- not a means to their own end.

I agree with that, but I think somewhere along the way he forgot his own advice.

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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:53 AM
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45. I think the fact that he runs the biggest f/x shop in the business informs his thinking
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:30 PM
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31. Another part of the problem is that Hollywood has developed an audience
that thinks that movies have to have a lot of special effects and/or "action" and/or blood and gore.

Personally, I don't care if I EVER see another film where people run down a tunnel ahead of a wall of flame.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:04 PM
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6. Anyone but Tom Jane playing Frank Castle will be a flop.
I like Ray Stevenson enough, but he won't pull off The Punisher like Jane did.

I would happily see the Untouchables prequel, though.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:13 PM
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8. How can there be an Untouchables prequel?
The first one showed not only their genesis but the deaths of half of them. I think a reboot might make more sense.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:20 PM
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10. If it focused solely on the rise of Capone
I think it would be good. The Untouchables, as I recall it, had little history on Capone, really.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:01 PM
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12. Young Alphonse?
Or maybe 'Growing up Alphonse?' Could be interesting. And even successful. The public seems to love mobsters.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:42 PM
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23. So, essentially, it'll be "The Sopranos" set during Prohibition?
.. or maybe DePalma's Godfather Part II. Maybe he could get DeNiro to play Old Al fighting off the clap and the tax charges and have flashback sequences to a young up and comer play young Al making his bones.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:36 AM
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58. But it should be based on true events.
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:31 PM
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29. I think the "Untouchables" prequel sounds promising.
That's the only one, though. No wonder I rarely go to the movies anymore.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:12 PM
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7. Well, at least their not doing "Independence Day II".
After the first one came out, there actually was talk of a sequel.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:18 PM
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9. At least they aren't remaking King Kong again.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:03 PM
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13. Give them about another five years
:)
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:47 PM
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37. It's only been remade once, and it was done damn well IMO
There was no Kong movie made in 1976, and it absolutely didn't feature Jeff Bridges or Jessica Lange.


I don't know where you're getting your info, you lunatic!
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:01 AM
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44. I'm old enough to have seen the original
with Fay Wray in second run in theaters.

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:06 AM
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50. That's so cool!
I happened to watch the original again a few weeks ago. Damn, what a film!

The first movie I ever say in a theater (well, a drive-in) was Patton. I don't remember that particular viewing so well because I was just a few months old, but still...
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:06 PM
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14. Hurry up on "Snakes on Another Plane"
(soon to be a real sequel :eyes: )
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:42 PM
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32. Yesh! "Motherf***in snakes on another motherf***in plane!"
:rofl:
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:08 PM
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15. How the fuck can there be a Crank 2?
Chelios is DEAD. Is it going to take place in the afterlife?
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:18 PM
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16. Well, thanks a lot. I haven't seen it yet.
With people spoiling that and the Sixth Sense, why bother?

:P




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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:26 PM
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17. Is there going to be a Titanic II?
I would say more but I wouldn't want to spoil the first one for anyone.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:29 PM
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19. There is.
They'll dig up the old ship, refurbish it, put people on it in a big gala event, and go for a jaunt in the arctic... where global warming will ensure the ship will NEVER hit another ice berg and will sail off into the sunset, happily ever after with Snow White and Prince Charming...
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:48 PM
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26. Maybe the newly opened ice-free Northwest Passage
Jack! I promise I won't let go!
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:41 PM
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34. Maybe Peter Jackson could direct it.
Then it could be twice as long as Cameron's.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:32 AM
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46. It's still worth seeing
That's not something you couldn't have figured out just from reading a review. But I am sorry I revealed it...:(
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:39 PM
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33. I wondered that, too. (yeah, SPOILER, obviously)
I guess they have him open his eyes at the end, so maybe he found a way to survive the double-fatal dose and the two mile plunge? Maybe the cab broke his fall? Good god! :rofl:

I don't get Statham. You'd think after "The Italian Job" and his early Guy Ritchie work that he'd have been bigger by now, but he keeps taking these little low-budget, weak scripts. "Crank" was a lot of fun, but not THAT good.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:34 AM
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47. Crank was a guilty pleasure
It was a video game done as a movie, instead of the other way around.
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avenger64 Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:28 PM
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18. Hey, where's Casablanca II?
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 05:28 PM by avenger64
Brendan Fraser playing Rick (Bogart's part)?

Come on, it would soooo work.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:30 PM
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20. Don't laugh -- a remake with Madonna had been discussed
..but was shot down
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avenger64 Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:35 PM
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22. And Pee-Wee Herman in Peter Lorre's part ...
... man, that would be the shizz...
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:28 AM
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52. Well, since you asked...
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 08:31 AM by Fighting Irish
...there kinda was:

http://tinyurl.com/6oogwu">Wikipedia
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:34 PM
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21. Cars 2
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 05:34 PM by OmahaBlueDog
The writer said "Cars" was Pixar's weakest film. Untrue. Although critics didn't like it, it scored well with audiences and made a ton of money. By any reasonable measure, "A Bug's Life" was their weakest movie.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:44 PM
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35. I agree
Despite the presence of Larry the Cable Guy, Cars is a solidly-crafted and entertaining film. Pedants were quick to complain that the plot follows the "fish out of water" archetype long beloved by Hollywood (Doc Hollywood, in fact, being a prime example) but really that's an asinine criticism, even if true. Chances are good that the average eight-year-old hasn't seen the other film variations on this theme, so the concept will be fresh to them.

Additionally, the CGI is fantastic in myriad ways both subtle and obvious.



For the record, I can't stand Toy Story. Whatever its technical merits at the time, it has always looked sad and washed-out to me, and the story is thin at best.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 10:50 PM
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41. You're right: the CGI is fantastic
On the big screen, it was eye popping. The waterfall scene was incredible.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:03 PM
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43. Yes! And I was particularly impressed when Red hosed McQueen
The spray of the water was fantastic. Compare it to the moment in Finding Nemo when Darla broke the sink; the water that sprayed her in the face looks positively primitive next to the spray in Cars (but to be honest, that's my only complaint about Nemo, and it's a minor one!)
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:25 PM
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60. Oh good..
I was tempted to make a snarky comment about you not liking Toy Story (which I LOVE--own both on video) and ask you next thing you know you will be talking about how much you dislike Finding Nemo--btw, you want a REAL experience? Watch Finding Nemo on a HD TV...wow....
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:44 PM
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24. How can they make a sequel to "I Am Legend?"
Considering the ending...
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:52 PM
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27. Maybe they'll retconn it back to the original ending.
It would have been much better that way.
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raouldukelives Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:47 PM
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25. Still waiting on that Ten Commandments remake
Keanu would make a great Moses and Ashton as the Pharoah? Sweetness.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:46 PM
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36. You kidding? The remake is airing tonight
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 10:17 PM
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38. I'm gonna go see the following:
....
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:36 AM
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48. I can't wait for Citizen Kane II
like in the original SNL skit, where CF Kane says a couple more words...
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:51 AM
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49. Untouchables 2: Capone Rising? Is it a prequel, or is he undead?
The original movie was excellent, but it certainly didn't need a sequel? Are they going to tell us about Capone's time in jail? Is it a prequel, telling of his rise to power, or does he rise from the dead?
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:24 AM
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54. hopefully George Romero directs it
he's the only one who should direct a zombie movie.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:10 AM
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51. I would like to see a remake of Logan's run
It was an interesting movie, that would probably do well as a remake.
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:14 AM
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53. None of these surprise me, not even the adapt of TV shows
But I AM surprised that there's no news about

Chico & The Man
The Jeffersons
The Six Million Dollar Man
The White Shadow
Space 1999
Perry Mason
Popeye (yes, I'm aware...)
Soap
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:27 AM
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55. Why not remake bad movies and make them better?
:shrug:
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:28 AM
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56. Those aren't remakes, those are sequels. The remakes are also an abomination.
Seriously - remaking "When the Earth Stood Still"?

Fuck off, Hollywood.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:34 AM
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57. I might enjoy The Untouchables: Capone Rising.
The rest are a waste.
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PermanentRevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:03 PM
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59. Yeah, that was the only one that looked halfway-decent
Especially since DePalma is directing.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:27 PM
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61. Thanks. I'll use this link every time someone asks me why I haven't been to the theater since
the Clinton administration.
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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:29 PM
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62. How about "Bring me the Rest of Alfredo Garcia?"
That one I would see.
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