Now, THIS is REAL music

[UndertheOcean]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eZt_JlEyb8&feature=related

suck on that , pop artists.

(kidding , I love pop/rock , but listening to really GREAT music like in that link makes me wonder sometimes if I shouldn't )

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. My dear UndertheOcean!

Oh, I agree...

This is wonderful, and real!

I too enjoy pop/rock, but classical is the heart of music for me...

:hi:

[Forkboy]

2. Before I go back to listening to Killing Joke I'll tell you what I thought.

First, I admit to having a tough time with opera (though I enjoy a lot of classical music). BUT, I do appreciate the obvious talent they have (understatement of the year). I can totally see why some people truly enjoy that. It's totally valid as both art and music.

However, let me give you a different take. I think talent can be totally overrated when it comes to good music or art. I've heard music where the talent is amazing and yet the music has no life, no soul, and no presence (see Malmsteen, Yngwie for reference). There are many punk bands that only play three chords and yet have more life to them than most music ever will. Sometimes, I don't even care if the music itself is off if the lyrics are cool, and vice versa. Like any art form, it's about what hits you, and that will vary from person to person. So, while I can appreciate that you don't like rap (I don't like the vast majority of it either), saying it's not music is truly an ignorant statement.

While something may not be your personal cup o tea that doesn't invalidate it at all. There's lots of music I can live without (for me, Brittany Spears and Janet Jackson type stuff is the lowest of the low), but that doesn't mean my opinion is the only 'right' opinion.

It all comes down to different strokes for different folks, and you and your opera, or me and my black metal, aren't fit to judge what's music and what isn't for others, because it's all in the ear of the beholder.

[suninvited]

4. hear, hear

great answer.

[DS1]

3. Chick in the back looks like a young Paul Bearer

[Zuiderelle]

10. I thought you misspelled pallbearer...

until I clicked. :(

[Xipe Totec]

5. Is that Reese Witherspoon?

Damn! What a doppleganger!

[RadiationTherapy]

6. Ugh with the cry-baby drama bullshit!

I had my pc on mute and I could tell this sucked just by looking at it!

[UndertheOcean]

7. listen to it man

it will blow your mind

[suninvited]

9. I listened

and my mind is still okay.

It was so-so. I like rap.

[RadiationTherapy]

13. I listened. Repugnant aristocratic tripe, for me. It's so fucking OLD and BOOORRRING.

I am a neophile. I am sick of the worship of the past.

[Pierre.Suave]

8. oh how I love classical, choral and opera...

My soul loves it. I could listen to it forever and never get tired of it...

Thank you.

[UndertheOcean]

11. welcome , welcome ...

I am in the mood for Debussy right now , don't know why

[Pierre.Suave]

12. I am going to go find a really good choral album now

and listen to it.

probably the Cambridge Singers, or maybe the MN native Dale Warland Singers, or even the MN Orchestra with the MN Chorale in which both my parents sing.

[mvd]

14. If you love it, why not call it great

Critics do, so why not us too. :-) Anyway, that is nice opera. Opera's not my thing, but she has a resonant, passionate voice.

[Inchworm]

15. Simultaneous voices tend to drive me nuts in unknown languages

hehe.. I kid.

:P

[BlueJazz]

16. Thanks for posting! Beautiful

[Athens30603]

17. yes, it's great. n/t

[ghostsofgiants]

18. You see, I don't get the appeal.

Yeah, I can appreciate the fact that they have a range of like ten billion octaves, but to me it's just wholly unappealing on an aesthetic level. (But then, I like hip-hop, so what do I know? :P)

[cemaphonic]

19. Well, I like classical music and I hate Strauss

All of the bad traits of late Romanticism, and none of the good. But he is hardly representative of all opera. You might try this barn-burner from Mozart:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TNakOAoYxU&feature=related

or hell, how about this one? It's odd, but it's opera:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0SgFg7OstI&feature=related

[ghostsofgiants]

20. I do dig Phillip Glass.

[cemaphonic]

21. It's the mad-scientist hair

admit it.

[ghostsofgiants]

26. That's a definite plus.

:P

[Manifestor_of_Light]

22. I hate Strauss too.

The Alpine Symphony is pretty good. I saw "Elektra" and it was the only opera I have ever seen that I hated completely.

"Figaro" is good stuff. My favorite audition aria is from "Figaro".

I would suggest starting with Mozart operas.

"Deh vieni alla finestra" from Don Giovanni. A lovely serenade w/mandolin.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-13t581Fzc


"O mio babbino Caro" by Puccini. A beautiful song, used in commercials.
Lauretta wants to get married and she tells her daddy she wants to go with the boyfriend to buy a ring, and if Daddy doesn't let her she will throw herself into the river Arno which goes thru Florence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HPdvr9HTws&feature=related

The Habanera from "Carmen". "Love is a rebellious bird, love is a wild child"
The dream of most mezzo-sopranos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axvhEUyVfX0





I consider Philip Glass to be "Death by Arpeggio". Ugh.

De gustibus non disputandum (there is no accounting for taste).

[cemaphonic]

23. We segued a bit into Glass on this other thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x7830314#7830740

I agree that he's hammered his arpeggios to death by now, but I really love Einstein on the Beach.

Sometime I need to sit down and really listen to Carmen. I'm pretty unfamiliar with it, but have liked just about every piece I've heard from it.

[FloridaJudy]

24. Knock, knock

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- Philip Glass

[cemaphonic]

25. I always thought that joke needed a bit of a tweak

Knock
Knock, Knock
Knock, Knock, Who's
Knock, Knock, Who's there?
Knock, Who's there? Knock
Who's there, Knock, Knock
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there?
there? Knock,
there? Knock, Knock,
there? Knock, Knock, Who's

and so on.

Knock is a weird looking word if you type it a bunch.

[Danger Mouse]

27. I LOVE classical music, but I also appreciate rock, metal, and rap.

Even some country I can appreciate...I can find something I like in almost any genre.

[FloridaJudy]

28. Agreed

I can't find something to like in every music genre - even some rap music.

But that "light classical" stuff they play in elevators, waiting rooms and supermarkets? That stuff SUCKS!

[hellbound-liberal]

29. "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture"- Elvis Costello

The exact origin of this statement is debatable but I think it rings true no matter who said it first. I don't think the word GREAT should be applied to any type of music or art. Since art, to me, boils down to a communication between the artist and the person who appreciates it, one type of art isn't necessarily better than any other type of music. I realize that Wagner is considered "great" by people who "know" great music, but the fact that someone doesn't like him makes this judgement irrelevant. That's just my opinion.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

30. I grew up listening to and playing classical music on two instruments.

However, I really don't like Strauss and can only tolerate Wagner in small doses. Too damn heavy. I don't like Beethoven either, except for the Sixth, Seventh, and Eighth symphonies.

As far as opera, Mozart and Puccini rule. As well as "Carmen" and "Samson and Delilah".


Renee Fleming singing "Song to the Moon" by Antonin Dvorak from the opera "Rusalka". Based on The Little Mermaid. It's in Czech and I have no idea what she is singing, but it's gorgeous:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_lbJ1MaDeo&feature=related

[Athens30603]

31. "Great" simply means "on a grand scale"

...and if the scale has been composed of certain parameters for a long time (or even a short time but has become an accepted standard) then 'great' is a perfectly fine descriptor to use for an artwork in the same style or medium that surpasses those parameters.

I don't think a lot of people use it this way, though.