Excuse me, but opera, is not music

[sniffa]

Call it fat people bellowing, but don't call it music.

[UndertheOcean]

1. ha ha ha , you are funny

[redqueen]

2. ...

:rofl:

[DS1]

3. It's not even in English, the fuckers

[UndertheOcean]

4. Isolationalist Hitler lover ! :)

[Carnea]

26. Actually hitler loved opera as seen in documentry herr meets hare below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQSdl4DLr84

[UndertheOcean]

27. Oh noes , Then is I must be Hitler !

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[sniffa]

8. EXZACTLY!!!11!

[ashling]

60. You are the very model of a cultureless inanity

That's English

:rofl:

[ashling]

66. just kidding

:)

[papapi]

63. "Amahl and the Night Visitors" by Gian Carlo Menotti is in Anglais

[redqueen]

74. Ah fuckin fuck. You made me think of this guy.

[RadiationTherapy]

5. you think opera is fat chicks yelling at the sky!?

Ahhhh! C'mon, fucking guy!!

[ghostsofgiants]

6. Win.

[UndertheOcean]

7. ..

:rofl:

[redqueen]

9. Nice...

:applause:

[DS1]

13. ahh geeze

:thumbsup:

[Darth_Kitten]

10. It's art, it's drama...........RAP isn't music.

:evilgrin:

[papapi]

62. How right you are.

[AlCzervik]

11. Mean Works.

:rofl:

[sniffa]

17. ...

:D

:rofl:

[Aristus]

12. Opera? Nein, Est ist "Musik-Drama", selbsverstandlich.

[UndertheOcean]

14. You have no argument , and you know it

The greatest Rapper is not qualified to work as a page turner during a performance of Mozart's Don Giovanni

[sniffa]

16. Sorry, but I tried listening to opera to broaden my views

but it makes me puke yuck. :puke:

[UndertheOcean]

18. Then you must be tone deaf

or lazy.

You have to train your ear to appreciate it.

[sniffa]

21. Sorry, but I'm better than you

Maybe some day you'll figure out what REAL music is, but until then you'll just have to wallow in your fake-music.

[UndertheOcean]

yawn ....

[Forkboy]

23. "You have to train your ear to appreciate it."

That applies to everything...even rap. :think:

[Zuiderelle]

19. LOL!

"it makes me puke yuck"

[Carnea]

28. Try this song better than that rap music the kids today listen to

An Die Freude

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWBJsQOmmGs&feature=related

[Aristus]

30. It must have been an opera by Bartok. That would make me puke, too.

Listen to Mozart's "The Marriage Of Figaro" instead. That is a broadening experience. The screenwriter for "The Shawshank Redemption" felt confident in his belief that a single scene from the opera could move hardened cons with its poignance and surpassing beauty. He was right; he created one of the most breathtakingly life-affirming scenes in all of film as a result.

[JuniperLea]

37. You need to listen to some really heavy stuff...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xCB6-h3wbs

[Zuiderelle]

22. Oh please. I've heard some incredibly bad performances of Don Giovanni.

In fact, I would LOVE to see a production that is cast entirely with Rap artists. THAT would be exquisite!

[Forkboy]

24. I remember one of his shows where he came out and threw a beer bottle at the crowd.

Wait, that was the Dwarves.

Nevermind. :)

[cemaphonic]

33. Heh yeah,

Don Giovanni even has an aria all about all the hoes he's tapped.

[Zuiderelle]

35. Exactly! It would be perfect.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

51. Yes indeedy.

It's called the Catalogue Aria. DG's unruly servant, Leporello, sings it, reciting the number of conquests in each country in the Don's log book.
It's technically called "Madamina, catalogo il questo".

Famous line: "In Spain, a thousand and three". (un mille e tre)

Also tells how he praises different women of different sizes and hair colors. Basically, anything in a skirt is fair game.

And it has a lovely serenade with a mandolin accompaniment "Deh vieni alla finestra".

Don Giovanni was considered a radical work in its day. So was The Marriage of Figaro. Both of these works showed the nobility (Count Almaviva, Don Giovanni) behaving badly by chasing women. So they were thought to cause the poor to revolt. This was in the days when people thought that the nobility was morally better than the classes below (sort of like the Republican corruption of noblesse oblige--trickle down economics).



Don Giovanni seduces Zerlina, while she swoons:
"La ci darem la mano" (Give me your hand, Zerlina)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_GcY119gww

The baritone is swoonworthy, IMNSHO. :D

[RadiationTherapy]

25. Fuck complicated popmpous shite.

Fuck HUNDREDS year old music. Gimme the new!!

[JuniperLea]

38. LOL!!!

As a metal head, and a former reviewer of said metal, there's some heavy ass shit in the classical arena.

Othello is bad ass.

Wagner's "Die Walküre" kicks serious ass!






There really isn't anything "new"... not a damn thing that hasn't already been done.

[RadiationTherapy]

47. I didn't say it wasn't heavy. It is popous and aristocratic to me.

Nice taste in rich people music; you call yourself progressive?

[Random_Australian]

43. Oh yeah? I heard all rappers go through exhaustive page-turning study!

So there! They are qualified.

A man down at the pub told me that on the internet.

[Blue_Tires]

72. elitist much, Mr. critic?

[TrogL]

77. The greatest rapper couldn't get work as a page turner

They can't read music.

[WinkyDink]

15. It's people like you that drove Maria Callas to anorexia!

[johnnie]

20. Ever hear rap opera?

Feeg-a fuckin ho fuckin' ho

[Carnea]

29. Better than rap christmas music... every other word is ho,

:hide:

[khashka]

31. tjwmason is gonna kick your ass!

And me and bi-baby want pix! Try to be a good boy, sniffa!


Khash

[sniffa]

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[swimboy]

67. No shit

He's gonna be so chuffed or dischuffed or whatever it is he gets!

[cemaphonic]

34. make it Chinese opera, and you're on.

There are very few genres of music that I have listened to that I can't find something to like. Rap, Country, Classical, Gamelan, Indian (both classical Indian and Bollywood/pop stuff), Rock and all of it's derivatives, and so on. But Chinese opera is just painful to listen to.

[Monk06]

58. You funny guy. You got tin ear of something?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjM7sytjepE&

[cemaphonic]

59. lol

see what I mean? Chinese opera does have some pretty awesome costuming though. Still, no wonder opium addiction used to be such a big problem in China - they needed it to dull the pain of their terrible, terrible entertainment.

[Guava Jelly]

36. This is fucking funny

:rofl: And I like opera. :rofl:

[sniffa]

41. Yeah, but you just haven't trained your ear to dislike opera

:D

:rofl:

[deucemagnet]

39. Here's six minutes of opera everybody loves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxF4d8FcQ-I

Kill the wabbit! Kill the wabbit! Kill the waaaa-bit!

[lost-in-nj]

40. Opera is the ultimate music

you must be listening to the wrong thing

I grew up listening to it. we listened to Texaco Theatre on Sat. and cleaned the house to it. My Mom loved opera. And she helped me appreciate it...
maybe if you knew what the Arias meant it would help....
or if you knew the stories behind them.......




sorry you don't like it

it's wonderful



:hi:


lost

[Missy Vixen]

46. There is nothing as transcendent as a live opera performance

Just the technical skill to outsing a sixty-person orchestra without amplification is mindboggling.

See "La Boheme" if you think all opera is just "fat people screaming".

Julie

[Manifestor_of_Light]

49. True. I got into it when they put up Surtitles in English.

I got into it when I could read the English projected above the stage simultaneously. They put up Surtitles for English operas too.
And there are LOTS of operas written and/or performed in English.

For example, when my child was small I took her to see "Hansel And Gretel" and "Babes in Toyland" at Christmas. She also saw "The Magic Flute" in English.


That said, "Don Giovanni" is the absolute best opera ever written.

[RevolutionaryActs]

42. That's a bad, bad sniffa.

Causing troubles in teh lounge. :spank:



:rofl:

[sniffa]

44. GD:P passed away 2 days ago

Where else am I to go. :P

[RevolutionaryActs]

45. You should be writing a eulogy, not causing trouble!

Insensitive man. RIP GDP. :cry:

[harmonicon]

48. you're a trouble-maker NT

[JVS]

50. How can you say such a thing? Look at this artful duet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1AS4IKwqvg

[DarkTirade]

52. Your statement of your incorrect opinion makes me angry!

I must now respond with CAPS LOCK FURY!!!!!!1!

[Manifestor_of_Light]

53. Don't start out listening to Wagner! He takes some getting used to.

If you had been to the opera lately, you would know that a lot of those love duets have practically turned into the horizontal bop. :evilgrin:

My motto is: Why go to the opera if all the sex, nudity and violence is offstage???

Nowadays it IS onstage.


A lovely duet for tenor and baritone from The Pearl Fishers. It's like a buddy movie. Two guys in love with the same woman--a priestess at the local temple (Au fond du temple sant - At the back of the holy temple):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tLrPVkfCIQ&feature=related


And for those of you who like female singers, a beautiful duet from The Tales of Hoffman.
Belle nuit, o nuit de amor (Beautiful Night, O night of Love):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-XhGFfiGwg&feature=related

[Brigid]

65. The perfect way to get used to Wagner:

The Bugs Bunny version! :rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxF4d8FcQ-I

[last_texas_dem]

54. Yeah, opera is the only type of non-music that sucks more than rap!

:hide:

[yellowdogintexas]

55. the singing part is annoying, but the overtures and instrumental stuff is awesome.

seriously, especially Carmen, and anything by Rossini (William Tell Overture)

[Corgigal]

56. sniffa I don't know if this is considered

Opera but try to give this a listen, especially when you have a headache. For some reason, this song makes it go away.

Andrea Bocelli & Zucchero - Miserere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_KVsJLFxz0

[Manifestor_of_Light]

57. Nope. This is a pop song.

A "miserere" is a movement from a catholic mass, whose words are "Miserere mei, Deus".

This thing you posted is a pop song.


OTOH, if you want to hear a transcendently beautiful Miserere, which is sacred choral music, try this:

Gregorio Allegri - Miserere, Part I, by the Tallis Scholars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x71jgMx0Mxc&feature=related


Part II:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgZ0K8vCdbo&feature=related

The music to this piece was supposedly so sensual that printed copies were not to be released, under pain of excommunication. Mozart and his father Leopold went to Saint Peter's in Rome during Easter Week, the only time of the year that this piece was performed. He heard it once, then went home and copied it down from memory. Then heard it again on Good Friday, and checked his work, as he had sneaked his manuscript in. He was about 14 when he did this.

[cemaphonic]

61. Yeah, Allegri's Miserere is one of the most underappreaciated treasures of European civilization.

It nearly brings me to tears every time, and I am not remotely religious.

I think I have this recording - Mine is the Tallis Scholars, and this sure sounds like it (similar reverb, vocal timbre and such) The CD also has Palestrina's equally stunning Pope Marcellus Mass. (another piece with some great music history folklore attached to it. It was said to have saved contrapuntal music from the Council of Trent, during the Counter-Reformation.)

And speaking of Tallis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMz7ufLN-L4

[sarge43]

69. I have that CD. It's almost unbearably beautiful

The incredible yearning ....

Another CD you'd probably love is Peace, the Handel and Haydn Society Chorus. Short choral selections, Tavener's Song for Athene, Thompson's Alleluia, Elgar's Lux Aeterna and so forth.

You have heard the Mozart story concerning Miserere?

[tjwmason]

68. It's actually one of the psalms - not from the Mass

The setting by Allegri was for a service called Tenebrae which is only sung three times per year on the evenings of Wednesday, Thursday and Friday of Holy Week.

The actual musical content is very simple, being a faux-bourdon/plainchant alternatim.

[Brigid]

64. Music? Of course it is.

You've obviously never heard Placido Domingo sing "Otello." :)

[Writer]

70. Is this when I get all indignant and label you as a anti-fatist?

And should I get my six or seven online friends to gather together and berate you at once?

:shrug:

[Brewman_Jax]

71. They don't even speak English

can't even understand it, pure crap.

[elshiva]

73. Bessie Smith, Big Mama Thorton, Ma Rainey were all fat.

SO THERE!!!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

75. It's highly misogynistic too.

They're always singing about having sex and killing women.

[Dogtown]

76. I don't get it, sniffa

Someone must be buying the tickets, but I just find it annoying.

:shrug:

[terrya]

78. Well, here's one of the most recognized operatic selections ever.

Used in commercials and movies...particularly the love scene between Catherine Deneuve and Susan Sarandon in "The Hunger"

"The Flower Duet" from "Lakme"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX-6Ej2lnwg