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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 03:58 PM
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Linguists Argue That Golf Doesn't Mean "Gentlemen Only, Ladies Forbidden", however
how do they know for sure, the etymology of the word is apparently uncertain at best.

So what do you think? It wouldn't surprise me in the least if it were the origin, however, who knows? :shrug:
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:00 PM
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1. Given that the game was invented by the Scots, I believe the word "golf" is a
corruption of the native tongue word for the game.


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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:01 PM
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2. That's a theory
however it isn't a certainty that is the origin
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:06 PM
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3. I suppose not, but I think the "acronym" crowd has an axe to grind.
That's just my biased opinion though. :)
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:17 PM
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4. Are you saying, then, that BOAT
Doesn't mean "Bring Out Another Thousand" (dollars that is!)

And FIAT doesn't mean "Fix it Again, Tony?"


Does anything mean ANYTHING?
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:17 PM
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5. Aside from FORD being "Found On Road Dead", no.
;)
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:19 PM
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6. Not even USC
meaning "University of Spoiled Children"?
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:20 PM
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8. Oh, good point.
But then, people who use that still have an axe to grind. ;)
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:23 PM
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10. Nah, I had never heard it used in a sports context.
I heard it on Stephanie Miller once (and she went there!)
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:27 PM
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27. I just have an adze to grind.
It's awl wright :P
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:43 PM
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14. First On Race Day.... GEEZ
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:09 PM
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30. Fix Or Repair, Daily nt
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:19 PM
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7. ROFL
are you saying that isn't roll on the floor laughing :rofl:
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:23 PM
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9. Nice avatar!
I am a southpaw too, BTW. GMTA.

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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:29 PM
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12. Yeah I noticed we both have Sylvia!
:hi:

:thumbsup:
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:45 PM
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16. I don't know if it's still available
But the review Court Green put out by Columbia College Chicago had, as its latest dossier, a series of poems inspired by her as a subject. Very enjoyable.



http://english.colum.edu/courtgreen/


(Ever gone on the Sylvia Plath boards and seen how they refer to Ted Hughes? Fun times if you ever feel like getting whipped into a frenzy).
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Hangingon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:26 PM
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11. Back in '60 I had a FIAT 600
Its reliability caused me to think FIAT means Fix it again Tony but it actually stands for Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:42 PM
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13. I actually know that!
Believe it or not. Strange, eh? I USED to know what the ALFA in Alfa Romeo stood for too, but now I can't remember.
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Hangingon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 05:48 PM
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19. ALFA = Anonima Lombarda Fabbrica Automobili
ALFA lineage goes back to a company set up to work on French taxis. Romeo was a director who cam along in WW1. Great cars and a great racing history - especially Tazio Nuvolari.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 07:08 PM
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24. And Ferrari was their engineer
If I am remembering correctly. There is a gorgeous, but gorgeous Alfa Romeo 1927 convertible that is my favorite car of all time.

I don't think this is the right year, but it looks somewhat like the car at the link




And the particular one I like was once owned by Charles Addams.
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Hangingon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:01 PM
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29. Yes and Enzo was also the racing team manager.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 05:59 PM
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21. Which is Italian for "Fix it again, Tony"
:P
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:54 AM
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33. FIAT is an acronym
Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino (Italian Car Factory of Turin)
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:45 PM
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15. The orginal word being 'flog'?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 05:50 PM
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20. It was probably originally called "Gorf"
Edited on Mon Jun-16-08 05:50 PM by Taverner
As in "Gorf de ball!"
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 07:10 PM
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25. i think it came from the snoring sound people make while 'watching' it on TV
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:53 PM
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17. no
Edited on Mon Jun-16-08 04:54 PM by realisticphish
just like fuck isn't "for use of carnal knowledge" or some shit. why would scots in the 1400's, who more than likely spoke gaelic, or old english at best, use those particular words, nevermind the fact that there are a wealth of pursuits that were traditionally "men only". Why would they pick out this particular game, then give it an acronym?

the word "gowff" meaning "strike hard" makes more sense to me.


also, S.O.S. does NOT mean "save our ship." or "saucepans" ;)
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:55 PM
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18. Wikipedia entry lists the etymology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golf

Etymology

The word Golf was first mentioned in writing in 1457 on a Scottish statute on forbidden games as gouf,<1> possibly derived from the Scots word goulf (variously spelled) meaning "to strike or cuff". This word may, in turn, be derived from the Dutch word kolf, meaning "bat," or "club," and the Dutch sport of the same name. It is often claimed that the word originated as an acronym for "gentlemen only, ladies forbidden", but this is strictly a false etymology.<2>
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 06:25 PM
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22. It was named after an orc decapitated by a hobbit...
and whose head subsequently went rolling down a hole.

Geez, stupid entsomologists.
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 06:29 PM
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23. They call it "golf".....
Because "Fuck" already meant something else.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 07:21 PM
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26. KG is close
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, it's an obsolete Lallan (lowland Scot) word for a pig's grunt. The first known written use of the word for the game is in 1800.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:30 PM
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28. Those are some, dare I say it... cunning linguists?
:P
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:11 PM
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31. Why does the Byron Nelson Classic always get rained out at least once
each year?

Because GOD is a WOMAN and she HATES GOLF
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 11:02 PM
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32. Did anyone really believe in that bogus etymology?
Cutesy ha-ha acronyms like that didn't come into fashion into well into the 20th century. The same goes for that idiotic "Forbidden Use of Carnal Knowlege" nonsense, a piece of secret wisdom with which high schoolers like to impress each other.

:eyes:
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