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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 07:28 PM
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Another long rant... and... advice?
I recently moved in with a good friend of mine. Now, as some of you will know, I'm basically incapacitated now. When we first moved in together, I wasn't doing well, but I wasn't this bad.

But, at this point, I have a really really hard time cleaning. In fact, mostly I can't. I can't generally stand long enough to do dishes. Sweeping and mopping are out of the question, as is taking out the garbage and doing laundry. Picking things up is incredibly difficult.

I've had this conversation with my room mate. Before I got this bad, I did most of the cleaning. Since getting bad, I've had people come in twice and completely clean everything, do my laundry, etc. So, here's the problem:

I'm fed the fuck up. I can not live like this. I don't know how anyone can live like this.

the garbage and recycling piles up and starts to SMELL BAD. It got to the point where I had to throw it out on the back stairs or throw up. THEN she noticed, and eventually took it out. I said, "Why don't you just take a little bit every time you go, that way it wont be a huge job?" and she said "Oh hey, that makes sense. Why didn't I think of that?" But, did she do it? No. No no no.

She can not wash dishes. I think partially it's a skill issue, and partially an attention issue. I continually find dishes with actual food stuck to them. Like, really dirty dishes. Dishes covered in a slimy oily film. Lipstick marks on cups. Food stuck to coffee mugs. On and on. I have spoken to her repeatedly about this. When it started, I would just re-wash things, and mention that things weren't coming clean and make helpful and friendly suggestions. I did that at least three times. Then, I just started going over all her dishes and rewashing the dirty ones, which are usually 85% or more. Finally, I got mad and firm. I saved the dishes and showed them to her, so she wouldn't think I was some sort of nutbar. She could see the food and the oil and the gross. And she, every time, says sorry and says she'll watch for it. But she never does. And it is EMBARRASSING to pull out a glass for someone when they come to visit and have a hunk of old cheese fall off the bottom. Really embarrassing.

One time, she cut her hair in the bathroom and left the hair in the sink for 2 days. I mentioned it to her, she said she was sorry and went to clean it out. When I went back and looked, the sink was still covered in hair. She shaves her legs in the bathtub and doesn't rinse it out. Also mentioned that to her more than once. But she still doesn't do it. Where I'm from, it's polite to do it hair or not, but I mean, at least when its full of your old hair. The second time she "cleaned" her hair from the sink, I noticed that the tap was filthy. She didn't actually clean the sink, like properly wipe it out with a cleaner, wipe down the tap and around the basin, she just scooped out her hairs. What is the point of that?!

She only sweeps if she spills something, and then only where she can actually see it and doesn't have to work to get it in the dustpan. And, if there isn't a bag in the garbage, she just leaves it sitting in the dustpan in the middle of the floor.

She took the garbage out of the bathroom, to empty it I guess once, and didn't bring it back for over a week. During that time, she just dropped empty TP rolls on the floor. When she brought the garbage back, she didn't pick them up. She just left them on the floor.

She managed to spill and entire pot of coffee all over my microwave unit, where the coffee maker sits. The thing is on wheels. and I'm talking 12 cups of coffee. She wiped what she could see, and mopped what she could see. I was a away for a couple of days, and when I came back and opened the dry goods cupboard in the unit it was FULL of grotty dried on coffee. That had, by that time, soaked in to the flour, etc. She cleaned in IN FRONT OF ME. The next day, I opened the cupboard and it was still filthy.So I got down on my hands and knees, in fucking agony, and cleaned it my god damn self, including cleaning everything that was in there. There was coffee ALL over the floor, soaked in to cleaning cloths we had there that by that time stank. There was coffee under, on and in the microwave. There was a huge puddle that hardened into a sticky gross mess under the coffee maker. The unit is stained and the coffee soaked in and basically ruined parts of it.

We had a pipe explode under our sink also when I was away. She left everything that was under the sink when it happened and in the adjoining cupboards down there. I pulled it all out, some of it was filthy from the pipe explosion, some of it filthy from not being washed. But after doing that, I had to stop. I was in bed when she came in. She put EVERYTHING AWAY. like, it would never occur to her to wonder why I pulled it all out. or to even LOOK AT THE STUFF, because it was clearly dirty. Very dirty.

There's more, but I'll leave it at that for now.

I said to her at one point, when she had someone over, that I really really dont feel comfortable having people over when the place is like this. I find it embarrassing. She agreed and said she felt the same way and blah blah blah. I woke up this morning, well, ok, I got out of bed at 4:15am after giving up on sleep, and she had someone over. they were in her room, but I saw the stuff and shoes. So I flipped.

I spent HOURS cleaning today. Until I was crying, it hurt so bad. I couldn't move for hours afterward. But, I just couldn't take the filth and the garbage everywhere and the dirty dishes and gross floors and icky bathroom anymore. I just couldn't. And the idea that someone was in my home, seeing this, knowing we lived like this was making me sick. When she got out of bed, I just couldn't even talk to her, because I knew that if I did, I would have said things I'd regret.

But I have to talk to her about it. A bit of mess, I can deal with. I am not a tidy person. But I can not deal with filth. It's like, she just doesn't see things. She doesn't look. She "cleans" things, and somehow doesn't see food stuck to them, or hair everywhere, or notice stuff sticking to her feet in the kitchen. It's like it just doesn't occur to her that coffee is, hey, a liquid. And liquid kinda runs everywhere, even under things!

Every time I try to talk to her about it, she says "Oh yeah, I know." or "I was just going to do that" or "Oh I noticed that too, I was thinking about that" or similar things. But it just IS NOT TRUE. This very morning, she said to me "You're doing all the things I was going to do today"

I would bet anyone $100 that she wouldn't have done them if she hadn't seen me doing them. I KNOW she wouldn't have. Because WHY wouldn't she have done these things last week when I pointed them out to her, like the coffee under the microwave? (I couldn't move the microwave to clean under it).

I have no idea how to talk to her about this. She just doesn't LISTEN, she doesn't see things. She says I'm sorry I'm sorry, but she doesn't follow through. I put aside dirty dishes, OBVIOUSLY dirty dishes that she's washed, like far away from the dish drainer so they wont get put away, and she doesn't even see how dirty they are, she just puts them away. How do you talk to a person like that?

She is my friend, and I like her. But this is just...I don't know. I don't think I'm being unreasonable. I know to a certain extent I'm stressed and miserable and more likely to get upset about things. But, because I know that I've tried really hard to be reasonable and patient and careful. I'm at my wits end. And I don't believe I'm just reacting because I'm stressed. You can only say the same thing so many times.

How the hell do you talk to a person who just doesn't see the same things you do, who doesn't have the same idea of clean as you, and who refuses to listen? It isn't just this that she reacts like that to, in work situations too, try to talk to her and its "Oh yeah, I know. That's what I figured, yeah I was going to do that" etc etc etc

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh not looking forward to this conversation.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 07:34 PM
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1. Hoo, boy. That is a tough situation.
I hate to say this, but it seems more than unlikely that she'll ever change. Is there any possible way for you to find a different living arrangement?
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 07:39 PM
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5. No, not really
:\
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 07:35 PM
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2. oh god, my sympathies
I can be a total slob, but when I do get around to cleaning I get out the damn q-tips, if you know what I mean.

Maybe she has a real vision problem?
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 07:40 PM
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6. If I could find my data cable
I'd show you a couple of pictures I took. She'd have to be legally blind ;)
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 07:38 PM
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3. Wow
I'm an admitted slob but not like that. For me, its clutter not filth. I don't know what you can do about this because it doesn't sound like she has a clue.

Any chance of hiring someone at least part time to clean?
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 07:41 PM
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Not on my oh-so-wonderful
welfare pittance of $120/month.

Gotta love the help available for those unable to work once EI runs out. :(
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 07:39 PM
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4. Some folks seem to be habitual slobs.
This sounds like one of them. Sorry you're going through this, especially in your condition.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:39 PM
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10. It is frustrating.
I just don't want to ruin years of friendship over some dirty dishes, but at the same time, I'm not prepared to roll over.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 07:41 PM
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7. That's the exact reason my girlfriend stopped living with her former roommate.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:40 PM
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11. Was her former room mate
her good friend of 10 years? if so, have her email me some tips?
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:21 PM
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14. Yep, best friends, but I don't think she has any tips, she couldn't deal so she just moved out.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 07:45 PM
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8. Oh my God that sucks and I know people like that
Fortunately, I don't live with any of them. I try to live by myself when I can so I'm the only one responsible for my messes. I HATE HATE HATE when other people I am forced to share space with are less sanitary than I am - and it's not like I'm some OCD clean freak who scrubs and scours the bath tub every single day.

Eesh, I didn't know you had a physical problem. That sounds awful. I'm sorry. :hug: When you have the Talk with your roomie, you need to stress that fact. Something like: "Look, ordinarily, I'd be fine with doing the cleaning. Obviously it's more of a priority for me than it is for you. But I PHYSICALLY CANNOT DO THE CLEANING. It causes me intense agony. Period. And it is not acceptable or healthy for us to live in these kinds of conditions where the trash doesn't get taken out or the dishes aren't even cleaned properly. It's embarrassing and unsanitary. I know you mean to do better, but the truth is, you don't try, whether because it's not that important to you or you forget or whatever, but the end result is that I have to do the cleaning that you won't do even though you know it causes me intense pain."

Offer to make her a list every day/week/whatever of shit that needs to get done so she can't say "oh yeah I forgot that we need to take the trash out" ( :wtf: ) and then check off whatever she actually does. If she doesn't do something on the list, dog her about it. If it still doesn't get better.... honestly, I'd look into moving. Some people are just chronic slobs and no amount of cajoling will change that. Good luck.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 09:48 PM
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12. Thanks for the suggestion
:)
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 07:48 PM
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9. I think she may have severe ADD.
Honestly, my husband was a bit like that (not quite so bad); and still is, to a degree. When I get fed up and do stuff myself, in front of him, he says the same thing to me: "I was just going to do that!". I realized that it had completely slipped his mind UNTIL he saw me do it.
The only way we've managed to stay on top of it is the fact that 1) I do have to constantly nag him about this kind of stuff, and 2) I am a stay at home mom, so I do the majority of the straightening up (by my own decision! He has his 'chores'; I am happy with the arrangement).
Wish I lived closer to you, I'd just come over and help.
I hope you can find a solution...
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 10:02 PM
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13. You should put your foot down...
I know she's you friend, but you really need to be firm about this and simply tell her you aren't capable of keeping the place clean. Find a way to get the message across, and emphasize the fact that you are in severe pain. Its ridiculous that she doesn't know how to clean, I've had roommates like that, it sucks.

I'm so sorry that you have to go through all this shit. :hug:
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nadine_mn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 03:03 AM
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15. Has she always been like this?
Or you never noticed until you started living together? because if this is new behavior then she has some passive-aggressive behavior going on or maybe depression - that whole I just don't care.

Does she eat off the dirty dishes? Or does she wait for you to re-wash them? My husband loves that trick....only washes one side of the plate til I get mad and shoo him out and re-wash everything. He just hates doing dishes that much.

Boy I am pretty messy (and lazy) but I get spurts of cleaning and then look out. Some people are just slobs and it sucks that you live with one.


If you have been friends for a long time and she is truly a good friend who cares about you then sit down somewhere neutral and have a long talk with her. Explain to her that her behavior hurts you - that this isnt you nagging about cleaning the place - its that for health and hygiene reasons you two need to agree on what is acceptable. Tell her that when she says she will clean or pick up and doesn't it hurts your feelings because you feel that she doesn't care about you and your health - she is just giving you lip service. You know when some makes a promise to do something and they don't it sucks because in a way they just lied to you.

I am not sure the size of community you live, but there are people who volunteer to help clean when someone is unable to - usually through a church or something.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 03:13 AM
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16. ok.... I didn't need to read the whole thing
This is why I will never have roommates ever again. With the exception of girlfriends or family members, the only times that I've lived with "friends" (not counting actually having to share a dorm room when I was 18 - that inherently sucks) it's been a total disaster, and is the greatest way on earth to foster hatred.
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