WALL-E is a great movie?

[Stuart G]

Right now at the Internet Movie Data Base (IMBD) this new film..WALL-E is being rated as one of the top 20 all time films.
My view of this film is....
.Wall-e is "disturbing." It ends in a disturbing way.
... It was meant to be, and this is the genius of it. On many levels, it is very disturbing. Not just the idea that there is garbage piled up here on earth. The humans are depicted in a disturbing way Moreover, we also see that the values and ideas of those humans are very disturbing.
..It is my opinion, (just mine) that the Disney Corp..did not know the true meaning of this film when they bought Pixar and agreed to let this one go forward. It is not the kind of message that Disney would ever send out, yet there it is.
,,This one is really meant to let you think on a much deeper level, and judging by reviews, it works.
..WALL-E is bitter sweet, but a winner with a multi layered view of humanity as seen through the eyes of two robots. See this, whenever you can. Even if it is a year from now on CD it is worth your time. But I honestly do not think it is a kids movie, other than the fact that kids will like it too.

Oh, one more thing. It is in a strange way, a warning to us all.
.. In a loving way. And I do think that it going to win the award for "Best Picture" It is time an animated film won, and this one will win.



Here is the link for you to see for yourself. What do you think?

http://www.imdb.com/chart/top

[spinbaby]

1. Dang, I'm going to have to go see the thing

I keep hearing great things about it.

[DS1]

2. I fell asleep about halfway through

probably missed 30 minutes. It didn't appear to affect the plot at all :shrug:

[Shine]

3. How funny, that was about right when the dialog started! LOL!

I understand for the first 40 minutes or so, there's no talking whatsoever.

I was dragged kicking and screaming to see this movie by the rest of the family and I have to admit, it was much better than I was expecting....for what it's worth.

Which isn't much. :D

:hi:

[SPKrazy]

11. oh come on

it was awesome :D

[Stuart G]

13. It is awsome.

Animation is a hobby of mine. I have over 1500 cartoons of various lengths.
..And yes, I have seen and read a lot about cartoons. Nothing like Wall E - has been made that I know of.. Yes, the "Les Triplettes de Belleville", is an ugly portrayal of Western Society but that was French and never aimed for kids. (or a large audience either)

This film is very unusual for its depth, content, and true intent to get people to think. And it will get to you too. After the showing of this film, I turned to the people next to me, (we read all the credits, (there is some unusual stuff there too)
. and were the only two people were left in the theater) and I asked what they thought. They too did not know what to think of it either.

[DS1]

35. it was after wall-e had been on the ship for a bit

and well into the dialogue.

[redqueen]

4. I loved it.

[sasquatch]

5. I think Pixar owes Mike Judge money for ripping off Idiocracy

[democracyindanger]

I think Mike Judge owes me money for ripping off 2 hours of my life.

[MsKandice01]

6. It didn't live up to the hype to me...

But it's rare that anything does.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. The movie was great.

With a redemptive ending, not a disturbing one. The ending was a nod to the flood myth.

[Shakespeare]

10. The whole movie was a nod to the flood myth.

The sentry bringing the plant back to the ship is a direct echo of the dove bringing the olive leaf back to the ark.

Wonderful movie on several levels. And not the LEAST bit scary or racist. :P

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. A lot of Adam and Eve stuff too. Some Joseph and Mary.

I appreciated the allegory on expectant fatherhood.

[redqueen]

8. Oh... and my kids picked up on the lazy / stupid message...

I think it is very much a kids' movie. God knows most adults don't seem to give a shit.

[Stuart G]

9. "God Knows, most adults don'g seem to give a s....."

Oddly, that is one of the messages of this film.

[NewJeffCT]

24. How old are your kids?

Just curious

[redqueen]

26. 8 and 10

[NewJeffCT]

27. my daughter is five

so, I wasn't sure she would like it because I heard there is not a lot of talking done.

[redqueen]

28. I bet she will.

There isn't a lot of talking at first, that's true... but there is still a lot going on.

Maybe my family is just easily entertained, but we were captivated by the story. Even though there isn't any dialogue, there is still character development going on. It's lovely, really. I highly recommend it.

[SouthoftheBorderPaul]

29. I have a hard time believing a 5 year old would like WALL-E

I LOVED the movie but I thought about the kids in the theatre and wondered if they were even enjoying it, especially the first 40 minutes or so. I've seen a lot of kids' entertainment because my girlfriend has a four and six year old. The stuff they watch is a lot more fun and lighthearted. And these are smart kids. WALL-E seems more geared to 9 years+, IMHO.

[NewJeffCT]

30. hmmm

maybe we can see "Kit Kittridge: American Girl" first then...

[Fran Kubelik]

12. I loved it.

:shrug:

[zippy890]

14. I think its great

absolutely loved it.

[MedleyMisty]

15. It's a great movie

I've seen every Pixar movie but Cars, and they have all been great so I wasn't expecting anything less.

Pixar rocks. I don't see why people get hung up on the Disney thing - it hasn't affected the quality of their movies.

The nod I noticed - the red and blue outfits thing. All the humans start in red outfits but switch to blue when told to. A couple of the humans fall off their hover chairs and their outfit turns back to red. Made me think of the blue pill/red pill Matrix thing.

[greenbriar]

20. ya gotta see Cars

it has a great story to it

[stuntcat]

17. I think I wanna see it.

They've been talking about this all week in my environment group but I didn't pay attention. No amount of human-slamming would be disturbing to me :headbang:

[bigwillq]

18. I have no interest in seeing that movie

I am sure it's a fine enough movie but I wasn't blown away by any of the previews.

[Stuart G]

21. Previews?

I don't think that we should judge a movie by its previews. The previews were understated and aimed at kids. This entire movie, taken in totality has a much deeper meaning. While its message may appear in a soft way, as one reflects on that first 20 minutes it isn't soft. It hits you like a ton of bricks. It is worth seeing.

[Lorien]

19. As someone who works for Disney; yeah, we knew

Most of the creative people-including the majority in management-at Disney ARE Democrats and environmentalists. True with most film studios. But the governing board-the "top brass"-is often repug (also true with most entertainment corporations). ABC's management is definitely repug, while Pixar and Disney Feature Animation lean liberal. We're a very fractured company, and many departments are very independent from one another. Just the process of moving a style guide or set of model sheets from a film production into marketing or merchandising is a frigging nightmare; you'd think that every department of the company were a COMPLETELY separate entity-and a competitor at that! That said; all the top brass cares about is how well the film scores with test audiences and what the merchandise tie in possibilities are. They don't give a crap about the message. "Pocahontas" had a very strong pro environment message and the Right Wing did deluge the company with complaints about it. Disney didn't care. They also don't care when we complain about conservative propaganda on ABC unless we swamp their advertisers with hard copy complaints.

WALL-E won't win Best Picture because the Academy set aside a separate category for animated films when "Beauty and the Beast" came within 30 votes of winning that prize in 1992. Many Academy members were miffed that our lowly hand drawn animated picture would dare to take on more "serious" film makers. It'll win best animated picture hands down, no doubt about that!

I just saw the film about two hours ago. It was a bit gloomy-and particularly disturbing for me as my father is in about the same state as the people on the Axiom were. I'll urge him to see it as I hope it'll be a small wake up call for him-but I won't hold my breath. I think it is a warning to us all; we are making the earth unlivable RIGHT NOW, and there's no floating cruise ship in space to save our species. Connecting to one another and preserving our home is far more important than shopping and continual entertainment. I hope that the message does come across to the youngest of viewers. I don't know how much hope I have for our own generation.

[kay1864]

23. Thanks for the behind-the-scenes look!

Always interesting to me.

One question though:

"Beauty and the Beast" came within 30 votes of winning that prize in 1992

Where does one get access to the vote results? I thought P&W revealed only the winner, not the vote tallies.

[Stuart G]

25. Second that motion, and thank you.

I too appreciate the "behind the scenes look." I am very happy that someone from Pixar/Disney felt comfortable enough to voice an opinion here about this topic. It is great to hear from people who really know what goes on back there. Thank you again.

[kay1864]

31. More on those vote tallies

Because the Motion Picture Academy of Arts and Sciences, the folks behind the increasingly boring and benumbing Oscar awards ceremony, is afraid to release vote tallies of its Academy Award nominees and winners, we never really know who got nominated overall. We only know who made the cut. Then when it comes to the actual reading of the envelopes, we never know how close the vote really is.

I've heard a lot of reasons why MPAAS doesn't divulge total votes. In the old days, the studios ran the show, and they really did run the show. The voting and ceremony began as a promotional tool. There was extensive bloc voting in which the major studios pushed their own movies. I've also heard that the Oscar people just don't think it's classy to reveal how many votes are cast.

There are other supposed reasons, but I've always thought -- and it's only a thought -- that MPAAS doesn't tell us how many ballot are filled out and sent in because the low number would embarrass them. As of 2007, only 5,829 people are eligible to nominate and vote for the Academy Awards. That's certainly a higher number than how many vote for that joke of an award, the Golden Globe, but it's still incredibly small. In 2008, the Academy will add some more members -- perhaps about 150 movie folks. The Oscar voting bloc is, and always will be, a relatively exclusive club. Does everyone send back their ballots?

I write the above because of Frank Langella. His performance in the new film "Starting Out in the Evening" is surefire Academy Award material. He was eligible, as was the movie, for the recent honors. But both Langella and the film were shut out. How close did he get to being a best actor nominee? We'll never know. Was he No. 6 -- the closest man to the top five? There's no way to tell. Supposedly, only Price Waterhouse, the accounting firm that tallies Oscar votes, knows the numbers, and nobody yet has cracked their safe.

http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/calleri3.25.08.html

So I'm guessing the "30 votes" above is based on industry rumors, not actual tallies. P&W partners take their job pretty seriously.

[Lorien]

34. Believe me, nothing is ever truly a secret in the film industry

"officially" they don't divulge the total votes, but the numbers do become known to a few Academy members, then it's only a matter of time...

[Lorien]

33. Some members of the Academy have access to the vote tallies

after the awards are given out (never before). I have several friends who are Academy members, plus the studio told us about the narrow loss a week after the awards.

[JeanGrey]

22. Sad to say I saw it and wasn't impressed. Not up to Pixar's

usual.

[leftofthedial]

32. great movie.

top 20 all-time? I don't think so.

I highly recommend it though.