Should there be a Batman 3? (SPOILERS)

[DerekG]

Return of the Jedi :banghead:

The Godfather: Part III :wow:

X-Men 3 :puke:

I have such an aversion to trilogy wrap-ups NOT directed by Peter Jackson that I honestly wouldn't mind if Nolan called it a day. That ending wasn't necessarily a cliffhanger, was it? Gotham rose above the Joker's nihilism and was handed an unsullied martyr in Dent. Batman stayed true to his moral code, spared the life of his enemy, and understood his place in the twisted universe. Not too shabby a place to put the ol' FIN.

What do you think?

[LibraLiz1973]

1. Add The Matrix part 3

That fucking KILLED it

[fishwax]

3. well, to be fair, Matrix part 2 put it on life support

part three just pulled the plug ...

[LibraLiz1973]

31. True

They should have left well enough alone

[quakerboy]

4. 3 was the

best of the set, by far.

[LibraLiz1973]

30. Ugh, I absolutely HATED it.

[quakerboy]

32. Meh. I had the same reaction

until I proscessed a bit. I realised that I really despised 1, and that 3 was a much better message. Setting aside graphics and Newness.

My reasoning: they were all predictable to me. I know everyone thought 1 was groundbreaking, but as someone who go's to the library and cannot find anything on the shelves that I havn't already read, the story lines were obvious to me. Particularly in 1 and 2, I knew within the first 15 minutes of the movie what the endings would be. So the Fancy wow was wasted on me.

The graphics were pretty equivalent in all three. Like Star Wars in the day, they got extra credit for being groundbreaking, but I do not credit 1 extra for being the first, since they were a set. So that didnt matter to me.

I dunno. what did it for me was the wanton aspect of 1, killing the ignorant for little or no cause. Glorifying it, even, and that really kinda made me soul sick when I looked back at how I personally reacted to that, and how I saw others respond to it. So I have a definite dislike of #1.

So... better message, less predictable, same graphics. I pick 3.

you are welcome to disagree.

[LibraLiz1973]

2. I think there should be a 3

I think Nolan does an amazing job & I don't think 3 would be awful

[Drunken Irishman]

5. No...it ended perfectly.

[sasquatch]

6. X-men 3 was pretty good in my opinion

I only see this working out if they introduce Catwoman.

[Hippo_Tron]

18. X-men 3 was probably the most entertaining of all of them, but in retrospect the worst

I walked out of the theater still laughing my ass off that they actually used the "I'm the juggernaut bitch" line. I couldn't understand why it was getting bad critical reception at the time, but after seeing it again and looking past the gimmicks I realized it wasn't as good as the first two.

[sasquatch]

26. I liked the contraversy of mutants no longer wanting to be mutants

and how it paralelled with the deaf movement.

[Hippo_Tron]

27. Don't get me wrong it wasn't a bad film by any means

But the over the top action sequences really did overshadow the cure issue and made it almost seem secondary. And while I absolutely can't stand Cyclops (as do most fans) it's still hard to take the film as seriously when nobody even realizes that he's dead until the end. Put another way, it had some problems with pacing.

And even though the action sequences were more spectacular than the first two, many in the second one were still better. Magneto breaking out of his plastic prison is a far more awesome demonstration of his powers than having him lift the Golden Gate Bridge which is just over the top.

[Tektonik]

34. X3 was better than the first

but, far worse than X2. It was not directed very well imo.

[DS1]

36. Catwoman?

Are you mad?

[sasquatch]

44. Hey its his naughty outlaw love interest

Racheal Dawes is dead which opens up an oppurtunity for Catwomen to make an entrance.

[Writer]

7. The Dark Knight was on its own plane. I would never compare it...

with the other Hollywood comic book movies. It wasn't just a good comic book movie, but an incredible film.

Batman now is on the run. Rachel Dawes is dead. Wayne Manor still hasn't been rebuilt. What now?

[sasquatch]

9. They rebuild Wayne Manor and introduce Catwoman

[Writer]

10. ... and it's Halle Berry with a whip!

:P

[sasquatch]

15. Oh no, I bet its someone that we've never seen before

I can't speculate about who it will be though.

[Symarip]

40. Here's part of the next plot:

Wayne Mansion is rebuilt. But unbeknownst to Bruce, it's done by illegal dayworkers. They cut corners and the Batcave is flooded. The temporary Batcave from the Dark Knight has already been rezoned to become a Super Walmart essentially stripping Bruce Wayne of any capability of turning into Batman and using all his kickass toys. Plus, the price of oil has caused Wayne Enterprises to liquidate their chinchilla fur clothing brand sending Wayne stock into the basement.

Meanwhile, the Joker and the Penguin team up to fund a sequel to Titanic as a decoy to brainwash the world population into rationalizing that 12.00 to see a movie is perfectly acceptable. It's slated to be a musical based on songs performed by Mariah Carey and Michael Bay is listed to direct. In secret, the movie is being shot at an undisclosed location in Gotham. Batman must stop these crimes against humanity.

Everyone is scared shitless.

How will Batman overcome?

[DarkTirade]

45. ... that's fucking TERRIFYING.

:scared:

[jobycom]

8. Must be a 3. Most 3s suck because they have nothing to say.

They just get made to cash in on the first movie.

Nolan's got something to say, though. He's been working on it for several movies now. He's going to keep trying, whether it's Batman or something else. Might as well be Batman. He's already got a great cast lined up.

[sniffa]

11. But, who will be the villains?

I was happy to find out Scarecrow finally got in a movie (even though I still haven't seen it. Still haven't seen Mr. Freeze/Poison Ivy yet either though).

[jobycom]

12. Here's an article on that. There's some speculation on the Riddler

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25681350/page/2/

"The Riddler’s apparently got a pretty good shot at a future film, if you can believe comments made recently by Gary Oldman, who plays Commissioner Gordon in the series. Anthony Michael Hall has been rumored to play the role, and “Doctor Who” star David Tennant reportedly would love to do it."

But, according to IMDB, Anthony Michael Hall was in "The Dark Knight," even if I can't figure out who he played.

[Mojambo]

23. Anthony Michael Hall played some kind of TV Journalist. n/t

[Hippo_Tron]

22. That's exactly what I was thinking when I walked out of the movie

I think Catwoman is a logical choice for many reasons.

[Bryan]

13. I could live with no more films of this particular iteration

...if the only other prospect is a disappointing sequel.

However, given the weekend it's having, I suspect the question of whether there should be another one will quickly be supplanted by the question of when the next one will be released.

[charlie and algernon]

14. I'd be fine if they called it a day too

if Ledger were alive, i'd say absolutely, give us a round 2 of Batman vs. Joker. I could listen to those two debate each other till the cows come home. Since he died, I don't see how they can continue. You can't have another movie without acknowledging the state Gotham is in because of the Joker. Nolan could procede like nothing happened and have another villian, but it wouldn't be the same.

[jobycom]

16. After Batman Begins, when you heard the next one would have the Joker

did you have high hopes for it? I remember thinking that the Joker would just bring the first one down--too silly a character, no matter how dark they made him.

[Hippo_Tron]

20. Everyone thought Heath Ledger would do horribly or at least not as good as Nicholson

And obviously they were proven wrong.

IMO, Nolan is going to find a way to break the traditional formula for a third sequel. And I think it will have something to do with not trying so hard to out-do the second one. He will simply make a movie that is very different than The Dark Knight.

[1]

17. three? how about batman 27, how many batman movies have they done so far...

blerg...

[Hippo_Tron]

19. It needs to be completely different than the first two if it is going to be successful

The Dark Knight was an entirely different film from Batman Begins. Batman Begins was mostly about setup whereas The Dark Knight was 2 and 1/2 hours of nonstop movement with no setup whatsoever.

Nolan's best bet would be to slow it back down and not even try to make the action sequences better than the second one.

[Mojambo]

21. The Riddler would be perfect for a slow it down style, IMO.

Go old school detective/battle of wits type of thing.

I agree. The worst thing they could do would be to try and out slug the action in number two. And by god, please don't bog it down with too many villains! Maybe The Riddler as a main, and an early battle with a c-lister like Killer Croc to add some cool visuals

[Hippo_Tron]

25. Well he's going to have his hands full being an outlaw

The main non-supernatural villains that they have left are Catwoman, Riddler, Mr. Freeze, and Penguin. Nolan may venture into the minor villains but it's hard to say.

Nolan has made comments that he doesn't think Penguin would work well. Black Mask was considered for The Dark Knight, but he didn't make the cut. I don't think he would work well in the third one either for the same reason Penguin wouldn't, in that I don't think it makes sense for new mobsters to just suddenly emerge on the scene without being referenced at all in The Dark Knight.

Poison Ivy would be an interesting choice if Nolan wanted to use terrorism as a theme, but the whole environmental thing is probably would just be too much of a gear shift into absurdity.

Mr. Freeze, IMO, would be a very compelling villain for Nolan to explore because he's a complete 180 from The Joker in that his motives are completely rational, almost to the point that you can be sympathetic toward him. How they would write him into the story would be quite a challenge.

I agree that The Riddler is the most logical but my only concern is that he's too similar to The Joker.

[DerekG]

24. It would have to be an intimate film to work

The heavy hitters are gone, so it'd be best to put the focus back on Batman. Maybe he finds himself in the worst position in his life, and in his desperation, clings to a woman named Selina Kyle. Play around with her character--she doesn't have to be an exhibitionist. Make her sympathetic. Maybe she's an ex-prostitute, maybe she's got a baby. Maybe she steals just to get by.

I could see a good redemption story coming out of this.

[Hippo_Tron]

28. Catwoman is another obvious choice

As I've said I think Mr. Freeze would be extremely compelling if they could find a way to make it work although it's unlikely.

[sasquatch]

33. It has to be similar to the Mr. Freeze of the animated series of the 90's

He's perfect for this movie.

[PVnRT]

38. The "cold suit" thing doesn't work for me

He could still have a wife in suspended animation of some sort, stealing to get her a cure, that creates a very conflicted character (especially if he agonizes about how what he's doing is wrong, but rationalizes). Maybe he could be Dr. Friesz, and gets nicknames Mr. Freeze by the media.

[Hippo_Tron]

46. The "cold suit" is the problem with Nolan-ability

As a character, Mr. Freeze would work great. But the whole ice gun and cold suit won't work nearly as well.

[Hippo_Tron]

47. Well obviously I didn't have the Ahnuld version in mind

:rofl:

[galledgoblin]

29. as long as Nolan, Goyer and the main cast is still involved

it will still be good.

X3's biggest problems were the short time table and the fact that the director and writers from the first two movies weren't involved.

[DS1]

35. I'm happy with there only being 2, and am very wary of a third

I don't think we need one.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

37. I thought the Dark Knight stunk.

So no, there's no reason for a Batman "3." Except to sell tickets and merchandise.

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

39. I would like to see Catwomen, but in a new, fresher, more evil, less cliched way.

The same way Ledger re-invented Joker.

[charlie and algernon]

41. I'd like to see Philip Seymour Hoffman as the Penguin

He could be a weapons dealer, known as The Penguin, looking to take advantage of the new war on Batman.

Another way is have him play, idk, John Penguin, a smooth talking tycoon promising to rebuild Gotham and lead it into a golden age while it turns out he's a murderous bastard looking to rule the city with an iron fist and Batman must convince the police and the city of his true colors.

[DS1]

42. Thankfully, there won't be Pengiun, Riddler, or Catwoman, according to Nolan

Besides the Joker and Two-face he's done, he wants to use some of the dozens of other criminals as plot devices.


Besides. Catwoman? What the fuck, people? It's not an obvious choice, it's a horrific choice. She doesn't NEARLY have the size and power to do any fighting. Comic books, or not.

[charlie and algernon]

43. There WON'T be a Riddler?

I thought if any, the Riddler was the most likely Nolan would choose, especially with the whole Mister Reese (mysteries) character in TDK.