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Midwest_Doc Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:27 AM
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Poll question: Will you see The Passion of the Christ?
Just curious.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:28 AM
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1. Probably not, not for any moral or theological grounds, it just looks bad.
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MaryBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:28 PM
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28. Ditto.
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Alpharetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:28 AM
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2. might rent it
what's the rush? It happened 2000 years ago! :)
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:29 AM
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3. Will wait for video rental or something
Won't pay the front end. This thing is too dangerous to fan the marketting flames any further.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:08 AM
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15. Get it from the library
Of course, you're 90 minutes might be better spent doing activism...or watching reruns of Bewitched.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:34 PM
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29. I plan to watch Life of Brian.
You have the right idea, but I have you beat in the irony department.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:58 PM
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46. Oh, I don't know about that...Bewitched is pretty supernatural, too
Or would that be considered satanic devil worship, like Harry Potter?
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Bronco69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:32 AM
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4. Nope
but it might be fun to go sit in the theater parking lot and see how many fundies carry their bibles in with them. LOL :-)
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:33 AM
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5. I'll watch it when I don't have to pay any money to watch it
I refuse to give even 1 cent to that idiot Mel Gibson and his idiot jew-hating father
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:50 PM
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57. I hear that Lynne!
Mel's a homobic ass and his father is a nazi.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:04 PM
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66. thank you, LynneSin
I have been saying the same thing. Fuck Mel, the Republican, who's starting to look a tad crazed, and his crazed, for sure, father.

No repuke repug will get a penny from me. That goes for movies, for where I shop, what I buy, etc. They only understand money, so hit 'em in their pocketbooks.

BTW, where's the GOP outrage about Hollywood and violence?!
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:35 AM
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6. I don't do very well with extremely violent movies.... so I'm not sure....
While I'm somewhat interested in seeing it, I guess I'll wait for more word-of-mouth from others or might rent it. At least if I rent it, I don't have to keep watching if it is just too overwhelming.

Frankly, though, the more I hear about the fact that it depicts only the torture and crucifiction, rather than anything leading up to those final hours, including the personal trauma and conflict, the less I think I want to see it. I mean what's the point, if there is no context? As someone said in weeks past, "The Last Temptation of Christ" might be a much better pick and one that I've never seen either.
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Liberal Christian Donating Member (746 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:38 AM
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7. I pretty much have to
I'm a pastor, and people will ask about it. I have to be able to say something.

I can't say that it's my first, second or even 45th choice of a movie to see in the upcoming weeks, though.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:45 AM
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9. Well at least you can say
Its research.

Frankly the movie worries me. Its not like the extremists need to be shown violence and blood to get their mojo going.
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Midwest_Doc Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:46 AM
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10. No, Pastor, You don't have to see it!
Explaining to your parishioners why you chose not to see an inflammatory diatribe (the Gospel according to St. Mel)would be instructive.
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Liberal Christian Donating Member (746 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:48 AM
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11. I need to make up my own mind
About whether it IS an inflammatory diatribe. That's why I have a mind -- so I can make it up.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:36 PM
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30. Bravo for you.
If you're going to criticize something, it is always better to have seen it first.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:29 PM
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36. Well spoken! Funny how some people who haven't seen it, know what's in it
Interesting how some here seem to know already it's an inflammatory diatribe. Especially given that dems tend to be mostly the type who like to make up their own minds, but now they're letting hoopla and hype, and their own personal biases against Mel Gibson, make their minds up for them, much as the Christian Right will follow the dictates of Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell.

Since I took the position during the showing of the Last Temptation of Christ that if you haven't seen it you have no right to protest it, I must also, personally (since I have gas), maintain my integrity and see the movie before I pan - or applaud - it.
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MidwestMomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:13 PM
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67. Don't know if you saw my post in GD
But it seems the first hour is nothing but the beating of Jesus. Some man who had been to the screening tonight had to leave cause he couldn't take it anymore. (This was according to a conversation my daughter overheard tonight.)

Sounds horrible to me. But then I really think Jesus suffered enough for our sins and to see it revisited so graphically....no thanks.

But as a pastor, I can see why you have to go but I think it will be pretty upsetting. Good Luck.
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:40 AM
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8. I'm gonna go and act all fundie
Edited on Mon Feb-23-04 09:41 AM by Kamika
Great idea there about bringing a bible :D

Maybe I can dress up like a woman in those days too
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:38 PM
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31. You mean like this one?
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:30 PM
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37. Naughtyous Maximus... promised me all the gold I could eat...
LOL

love that movie.
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:37 PM
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40. lol
good one :)

I tried to do a parody on ppl dressing like Jedis or Klingons but it failed :(
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:55 AM
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12. i already read the book
and know the outcome. spoiler-he dies then after a return tour he retires to a villa overlooking the Mediterranean sea.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 09:55 AM
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13. He knew His teachings would come to a bad end
brilliant as they are.

But like I said in an earlier thread: Mel thinks he's being all deep and gut-wrenchingly philosophical. I think Mel is simply crucifying the poor man all over again without adding any new information. What's the point of that?

It's not like we haven't seen the crucifiction depicted before. Personally, I'd rather watch a Jesus movie about the Sermon on the Mount.

Will I see it? I'll rent the DVD or borrow it from the library. I won't give my hard-earned $$ to Mel, won't use it for charity but probably sink it into that gastly sect.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:03 AM
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14. I can't handle gratuitous violence
And, from what I've heard so far, that's about all this film is.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:13 AM
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16. After witnessing Mr. Gibson speak with Diane Sawyer...
I will without a doubt see this movie, not because I was impressed with its director or that I am a Christian, but because I think he is insane, and therefore, I have to see what has come out of his mind.
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cjm2222 Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:18 AM
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17. I'll see it
I like films that are controversial. I went to see "The Last Temptation of Christ", so I'll definitely see this one.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:26 AM
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18. I'll wait until it comes to NetFlix on DVD.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:15 AM
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19. I'll wait for "Master and Commander: Leave the Damn Goat alone!"
Should be just as gory...
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:18 AM
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20. Why would I want to ?
"The Wicker Man" is out on DVD...
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:19 AM
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21. Any news on the sequel?
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:21 AM
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22. Dare I say it...
But the title is about one letter away from a porn movie.
Sorry. I had to say it.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:23 AM
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23. I will
Mrs bearfan wants to see it.
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bmbmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:25 AM
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24. I'll be there
as soon as I can. I will make my own decision regarding its accuracy and authenticity. I believe it may be a powerful message, and the harbinger of more movies like it.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:35 AM
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25. "accuracy and authenticity"
Sorry, but Mel lost ANY claim to that by casting nothing but whites of European ancestry in all the major roles.

Jesus ain't nothin' but a white boy in brown contact lens.

So much for "authenticity".
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 11:40 AM
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26. I'm Actually Surprised at the Backlash
The movie is supposed to be pretty much straight from the Bible.

I'm an ex-fundie, now basically an atheist. In my religious days, I wished someone would make a movie like this -- the traditional accounts of the passion were too cleaned up. For some reason, depicting the violent reality was important to me then, just like it seems to be to a lot of fundies.

As far as anti-Semitism, I suspect it's overblown. There are parts of the New Testament are extremely anti-Semitic, but that's not what the movie is about:
You suffered from your own countrymen the same things those churches suffered from the Jews, 15who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to all men 16in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last. (1 Thessalonians 2:15f)

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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:04 PM
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27. You hit exactly...
on what is disturbing to many of us about this film. You say that when you were a fundie you had wished there was a movie like this.

This film is red meat for fundies, a group that is already religiously insane.

Feeding the crazies makes me VERY nervous.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:19 AM
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70. Don't Equate "Fundy" with "Christian"
The passion story has always been at the heart of the Christian faith. This does not seem to be an aberrent treatment. The gospel accounts do not skimp on gory detail.

You can critize the entire religion -- I personally think Christianity is a mixed bag -- but the appeal of the movie for Christians is very broad, and legitimately so.




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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:50 PM
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32. But what is the point of rehashing the violence of 2000 years ago?
what an AWFUL death crucifiction must have been. I've got a perfectly good imagination without seeing it on the screen.
How about we stop violence occuring today? They still stone people in some countries today. Back when that pregnant woman, in Nigeria I believe, was going to be stoned... there was a video of a stoning going around the internet...perfectly awful stuff. I just don't see what this adds.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 01:12 AM
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69. Here's the Reason:
Churchgoers constantly hear about the crucifiction. Inevitably, it loses its power. People feel they want to understand and experience Jesus' life and death. Yet it's behind a curtain. They live in a suburban world, go to a nice church and smile at everybody. Nobody is in any danger. Nobody has to stand up against the authorities and risk death. There's a hunger for the reality behind the story. The violence in the story has to be recreated to do this.

This is especially true because the passion story is at the very heart of Christianity. Christians should feel deeply about it. And I believe a lot of the popularity of the movie has to do with that desire.

This is a religious movie. I understand people not being interested in it. But it's perfectly natural that Christians would feel a hunger for this particular treatment of the story.

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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 12:55 PM
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33. I'm going
Didn't listen to the crazy protestors who hadn't seen Last Temptation and I'm not going to listen to the crazy protestors who haven't seen this film either.

For all the controversy it generated Last Temptation was a snoozer and I image that this will be the same but I still want to check it out and make my own mind up as to whether it has a dangerous message or not.

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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:00 PM
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34. I want to see it and judge for myself
I don't have a problem with Mel, or the alleged level of graphic violence. The crucifixion usually is sanitized in movies, and I don't think the average person understands quite how terrible a way it is to die. I also think that if Mel can capture certain things on film-the anger of the crowd focused toward Jesus, the pain and loyalty of his friends and family who witness the events, the ambivalence of Pilate, and the miracle of the resurrection, than Mel will have done a good thing with this movie.

I don't think this movie should be the focus of fears of anti-semitism. I don't think it would be, if it weren't for the history of anti-semitism throughout Europe at the behest of the church(es), and the very nature of the redemption argument for christianity, which implies that judiaism is not a complete religion in and of itself. A good book about this is called "Constantine's Sword" by James Carroll.
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skippysmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:03 PM
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35. Nope
I have a weak stomach, so I tend to avoid movies with blood and gore. And this seems to have a lot of it.

Plus I already know the ending.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:32 PM
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38. I'll see your "Passion of the Christ" and raise you one
Cessation of perception and sensation of the Buddha
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:34 PM
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39. Nope
I do not like violent movies, I am not a Christian and I get enough of the religion shoved down my throat as it is without volunteering for more.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:38 PM
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41. Only if I'm forced to do so as a Lenten penance.
My church is actually having a discussion group on it. I wouldn't mind hearing the discussion but I don't care to play into Mel's the Scary Catholic's hands (or line his pockets).
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:38 PM
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42. No. I have a weak stomach and detest violence.
After hearing that the movie is very, very graphic and violent (there is a 45 minute beating scene if I heard correctly) I know I couldn't watch it.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:38 PM
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43. Hell no. I already know the story!
By going to see this turgid, overhyped *commercial* movie, I feel that I would become a participant in the whole mess, so no, I'll gladly beg off.

Note to Mel: You know, when you've gotten the message, you tend to hang up the telephone.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:43 PM
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44. Yes, and I'll rent "The Last Temptation of Christ" as a warm-up.
I remember all that controversy 20 years ago over that picture!

:bounce:
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:27 PM
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56. That is a GREAT movie and an even better book.
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 01:49 PM
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45. maybe when it somes to STARZ!...
we have a 1-5 Priority Schedule when it comes to seeing movies:

1. in the Big Theatre.
2. in the 2nd run Theatre.
3. rent it
4. see it on STARZ!/HBO, etc.(we don't do pay-per-view)
5. see it on broadcast network TV.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:25 PM
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47. Yes, on free passes
I plan to go with my class, and then afterwards we're going to discuss whether the film really is anti-semitic. We're going to go on free passes donated by my roomie who works in the theater.

I wouldn't have been interested in going except as a class project. Long bloody films in languages I don't speak aren't that appealing to me.

Tucker
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:27 PM
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48. LOL
:evilgrin:

I only wanna see it because it's in aramaic. That is just so cool to me...

(Australian accent)Aside from that I would rather stick my willy in a nest of funnel-webs.(/Australian accent)
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:31 PM
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49. Hmm, you could always come with us
Whaddaya think?

Tucker
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:38 PM
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50. Sure
I'd love to. Well, that is.. I love spending time with you...

And MST3k'ing 'The Passsion' sounds fun. :evilgrin:
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:40 PM
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51. I think we won't be MST3King it...
But the discussion afterwards should be interesting.

Tucker
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:44 PM
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52. ROFL
Sorry..

I just have this mental picture now of sitting there watching it and hearing "Dude.. Jesus looks so hot!" followed immediately by the South Park episode where Cartman starts a Christian band and their songs are all about Jesus and like, um.. loving him. :evilgrin:
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:46 PM
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53. LOL
That's funny!
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 02:56 PM
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54. Have you seen that episode?
If not.. you should. :evilgrin:
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:20 PM
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55. I try to avoid movies with lots of gratuitous violence
I didn't see Braveheart or Gladiator, so why would I want to see this? Watching a man be tortured to death seems a bit voyeristic to me. So, no, I've no plans to see it.
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Goldberg Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:55 PM
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58. Hell no.
I hate Mel Gibson. Worst. Actor. Ever.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 03:56 PM
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59. I don't go to many movies
And this one doesn't seem that appealing.
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mulsh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:51 PM
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60. read the book
sat through 8 years of stations of the cross every lent in catholic school. no movie could be as violent or bloody as
some of the nuns portrayed it.
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adamblast Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 04:53 PM
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61. Of course I'll see it!! Cavaziel is a total babe!!
And I kinda like hippie dudes with long hair, even when they're in trouble...

:D
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 05:02 PM
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62. Other: When it comes on HBO.
That's where I end up seeing most movies.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 07:51 PM
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63. Why would I need to...?
This trailer was enough for me.

http://homepages.nyu.edu/~scs273/01.mov

(Don't miss it!) ;-)
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Norbert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 08:11 PM
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64. I have yet to see the last Bond movie
Why would I waste my time watching something much less interesting to me.
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AlFrankenFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-04 10:47 PM
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65. Yes....
as if I need another hole in my head.
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DEM FAN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-04 12:11 AM
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68. NO. Mel Gibson Is A NUT. I Am Going To Watch Scarface Instead.
You Could Not PAY Me To Watch Gibsons Own Idea About History. :-(
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