If you could bring one celebrity back from the dark side, who would it be?

[wickerwoman]

The GOP is welcome to Charleton Heston, Mel Gibson, Ahnald, and Britney, but goddamn it why does John Corbett have to be a republican? He always plays cool hippy guys... it must be that girlfriend...

I'm holding out hope that Gary Oldman can be rehabilitated too. That there was just some horrible misunderstanding when he came to the US and he's been in some kind of trance-state for the past eight years.

[JVS]

1. Beck would quit Scientology.

[wickerwoman]

13. Hey, I learned something new today:

Beck on Scientology:

"What it actually is is just sort of, uh, you know, I think it's about philosophy and sort of, uh, all these kinds of, you know, ideals that are common to a lot of religions....There's nothing fantastical...just a real deep grassroots concerted effort for humanitarian causes. I don't know if you know the stuff they have. It's unbelievable the stuff they are doing. Education...they have free centres all over the place for poor kids. They have the number one drug rehabilitation programme in the entire world (called Narconon). It has a 90-something percent success rate..."


Narconon! Narco? Non!

[XemaSab]

27. He was raised in it

He's been brainwashed from youth.

[Arugula Latte]

2. Gary Sinise, maybe, or Robert Duvall.

They are too talented to be Republicans.

[wickerwoman]

6. That's right! John Malkovich is a republican too...

For some reason I was hoping against hope that he just looked evil.

[WinkyDink]

52. Really?! And to think he and Sinise starred in ONLY THE MOST compelling film for being a Democrat,

this side of "Grapes of Wrath": "Of Mice and Men."

[Critters2]

95. They and I are alums of the same undergrad school. How did this happen?! nt

[Left Is Write]

70. Gary Sinise was the first one to come to my mind too.

[Beaverhausen]

110. Mine too. It makes absolutely no sense that he is a repuke.

[quiet.american]

89. I knew there was a reason Gary Sinise always gave me the creeps.

Although I will say, I thought his portrayal of Harry Truman was one of the best pieces of acting I've ever seen.

[DS1]

3. None.

Fuck em.

[Iggo]

34. I like you more and more every day.

:toast:

[Coventina]

4. I'll probably get flamed for this

but I wish Peter Murphy hadn't converted to Islam. Now he refuses to sing Bauhaus songs like "Stigmata Martyr" and "St. Vitus Dance."

Actually, I don't care about his conversion to Islam. I just wish he wasn't being a pinhead about it...

[Shiver]

79. Fuck me sideways...

Peter Murphy converted to Islam? When did that happen?

Dammit... I'm losing goth cred...

[Coventina]

111. It was awhile ago...sometime after he met/married his Turkish wife

and moved to Turkey.

Sorry about the extended delay in my reply. I'm not on DU much anymore...

[Shiver]

112. It's not a big deal, really.

I'm a fan of his ( as I am of all of Bauhaus), so it's just one of those things that you think you should know about, and makes you feel stupid when you find out so long after the fact.

[fudge stripe cookays]

107. Wow...

Hadn't heard that! Learn something new every day.

[terrya]

5. It's kind of sad to see what Stephen Baldwin has become.

He would be my choice, I guess.

[Ava]

8. he was good in the usual suspects

other than that, i can't say i'm a fan of his.


he's hit the jackpot with what he's doing right now though. he's making gobs and gobs of money off of fundies, which i would suspect has more to do with what he's doing than his faith. then again that is just what i suspect.

[wickerwoman]

11. Wow... he looks awful in his wikipedia entry!

I haven't seen a picture of him since he had a real career.

[Orrex]

25. Whoa! See?!? I was right about Scare Tactics

Tracey Morgan, your days are numbered!

[Tektonik]

7. Kelsey Grammer or Gary Sinise

[Taverner]

92. Is Gary Sinise a Repub?

Yikes!

[NMDemDist2]

9. Dennis Miller

he used to be so funny and now he's just pathetic

[MrScorpio]

10. Robert Duvall

[wickerwoman]

14. Yikes! He's descended from Robert E. Lee!

Shame about the four wives too.

[lildreamer316]

15. So am I.

And......??

[Starbucks Anarchist]

19. Seconded.

One of my favorite actors, politics aside.

[slewfoot]

67. What a great actor.

I don't think that I have ever seen any of his work that I didn't like. To bad he's rethug.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

69. Welcome to DU, slewfoot!

:toast:

[OneBlueSky]

12. Louis Armstrong . . .

aka "Satchmo" . . . aka "Pops" . . .

because I'd like to get high with the singular genius who most influenced the direction and form of American popular music over the past century or so . . .

Eric Clapton was influenced by Chuck Berry, who was influenced by Louis Jordan, who was influenced by Louis Armstrong . . . the examples are endless . . .

I'd also like to shake the hand of the guy who, at a state dinner, offered a packet of his favorite laxative ("Swiss Criss") to the king of Sweden (or some such nation) . . . and he was dead serious . . .

my kinda dude . . .

[KamaAina]

16. Louis Armstrong was not a freeper so stop saying that!

That's the "dark side" we're talking about here, not the one across the River Styx.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Armstrong#Personality

Armstrong, in fact, was a major financial supporter of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and other civil rights activists, but mostly preferred to work quietly behind the scenes, not mixing his politics with his work as an entertainer. The few exceptions made it more effective when he did speak out. Armstrong's criticism of President Eisenhower, calling him "two-faced" and "gutless" because of his inaction during the conflict over school desegregation in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1957 made national news. As a protest, Armstrong canceled a planned tour of the Soviet Union on behalf of the State Department saying "The way they're treating my people in the South, the government can go to hell" and that he could not represent his government abroad when it was in conflict with its own people. The FBI kept a file on Armstrong, for his outspokenness about integration.

Definitely sounding like a freeper to me -- NOT!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

17. shannon doherty. i think she is incredibly hot and i really wish i could have lascivious

thoughts about her w.out the guilt

[Orrex]

23. What's her dark side?

Aside from being in Scare Tactics, which I admit is enough to turn any hottie into a dud.

[samuraiguppy]

33. yeah--she is a hottie (but I hear a bitch)

[billyoc]

56. But you could dump her without the guilt.

:evilgrin:

[soleft]

18. Janine Turner

Just cause I thought Maggie McConnell was so damn cute.

[fudge stripe cookays]

108. It's amazing though...

She was really cute as Maggie.

Then she had plastic surgery and became this hideous CREATURE. Now, she's as ugly as her beliefs.

Need evidence? Check out a Restasis commercial.

[fudge stripe cookays]

109. It's amazing though...

She was really cute as Maggie.

Then she had plastic surgery and became this hideous CREATURE. Now, she's as ugly as her beliefs.

Need evidence? Check out a Restasis commercial.

[ghostsofgiants]

20. John Malkovich and Vincent Gallo.

And I wish Penn and Teller and Matt Stone and Trey Parker weren't Libertarians. x(

[Lautremont]

22. Are you sure Malkovich is a Republican?

If so, he's my choice too.

[ghostsofgiants]

24. Libertarian, actually. (Or so he says.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Malkovich#Political_views

[Orrex]

26. How can you be Libertarian and pro-death penalty?

That's giving the ultimate power to the state!

Of course, for Libertarians, taxation is the ultimate power, and far more egregious than simply taking a life...

[ghostsofgiants]

29. Yeah, Libertarians are ridiculous.

[Orrex]

36. For that matter, I've never met a Libertarian who wasn't an asshole.

And I mean actual Libertarians, the kind who voted for Harry Browne and would do so again. The kind who think that The Fountainhead is a piece of well-written fiction. The kind who think that it would be okay to put heroin in toothpaste as a sales gimmick, because the government has no business regulating business.

Assholes, the lot of them.


And if anyone here on DU professes to be a full-blown, capital-L Libertarian, then you're an asshole, too.

[billyoc]

57. I've read some Rand, treated it all as a horror novel.

:hi:

[Orrex]

62. That's really the only way to read her shit

And, lest we forget, she also penned this little winner (check the fine print):

[SoxFan]

86. BRAVO!

The kind who think that it would be okay to put heroin in toothpaste as a sales gimmick, because the government has no business regulating business.


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[Taverner]

30. Many Libertarians I know say they are "pro death"

Pro DP, Pro Abortion, Pro Ayn Rand "Culling of the Herd"

[Orrex]

37. Every Libertarian I've ever known has been identical to a far-Right Conservative

Except that the Libertarian wants all drugs to be legalized, and maybe wants us to cut down on our wars--for economic reasons.

[Taverner]

40. I've met several kinds of libertarians

Left-libertarians, who are very much like you and me

Ayn Rand-Libertarians, who think altruism is a flaw

Christian Libertarians, who just want a Theocracy

Neo-Nazi Libertarians (think Ron Paul), who want a return to the heady days of Berlin, circa 1937.

Techie Libertarians, who read too much Orson Scott Card

Satire Libertarians, think "South Park", "Penn and Teller" and perhaps "Family Guy." They believe nothing is sacred (they're right here) and that nothing is valid (dead wrong here.)

And of course, plain out Anarchists.

[Orrex]

42. Aside from being assholes...

Almost all of the ones I've met fit in your second category. I don't know that I've ever met a Left-Libertarian, except in cases where a Liberal wants pot legalized, if that counts. Fine by me, FWIW.

I might also suggest adding a "Lazy Libertarians" category, who haven't ever thought very seriously about politics but want to discuss it, and something in their gut tells that that the guvmint is just plain wrong about everything.


And good call on that fuckwit Ron Paul.

[Taverner]

46. Keep in mind the idea of a Stateless Society is not wrong

It's just impossible today

I think a lot of Libertarians go for the idea of weaning the public off of Government. This is fine, but not today. We're not ready. We won't be in our lifetime, and probably not our kids' lifetime. But its a nice goal.

Being that is the case, the Democratic Party is our best hope. Things happen in small adjustments, and our party is about positive adjustments.

[Orrex]

63. The argument I've made to Libertarians for years...

is that, if we as a society were sufficiently disciplined and enlightened to exist peacefully in the anarchy they long for, then society would be disciplined and enlightened enough to make pretty much any form of government work.

To this, they answer: "there's no such thing as society." :eyes:

[Taverner]

73. Ahhh but there is society

And it is the route away from the animalistic impulse driven life that we could have.

Question is how do we go back to that, without the cruelty?

[Orrex]

76. I agree, of course, and...

What absolutely kills me is that Libertarians are happy to use language--perhaps the ultimate societal construct--to tell us that society doesn't exist.

[Taverner]

90. Thing is not all Libertarians do that

We need to grab the low hanging fruit eg. these libertarians.

[ghostsofgiants]

64. One of the big problems with Libertarians is they hate the government having any power...

But adore the free market capitalist power structure. Government tyranny, bad; market tyranny, good.

[Taverner]

75. Yes, very true

They seem threatened by the power of the group

I think Anarchy would be a great goal for an Government, but in the end its that road that defines it.

And if it is never reached, so be it.

[wickerwoman]

59. Yeah, I think the South Park guys are just lazy...

they can't be bothered to come up with a nuanced opinion on anything so they just say they're libertarians. That or they're using it as a cover for their real political ideas so that republicans don't stop buying their stuff. I would put Bill Maher and Dennis Miller in this category. "Sell-out Libertarians".

[Taverner]

61. Thing about Maher is Libertarian was his old schtick

He's very much in our corner now

As for Dennis Miller, well, hahahahahahaha - when you sell your soul you better get a good price!

SP? Well they made their bed...

[ghostsofgiants]

65. A left libertarian is basically someone who thinks capitalism is just as bad, if not worse...

Than government. Anti-authoritarian socialists and anti-capitalist anarchists and the like. I have a tendency to lean that way. (I'll take government over the free market any day.)

[Orrex]

66. The only two agencies guaranteed to be more corrupt than a government

Are a corporation and a church. And right now we've got the latter two trying to run the former...

So, even if the government isn't the ideal mechanism for enacting the will of the people, it's a hell of a lot better than the next two likely contenders.

[ghostsofgiants]

68. Word.

[Taverner]

74. DINGDINGDINGDING!!!

[billyoc]

58. All, and I mean ALL, of the "hyphenated Libertarians" use the word "Libertarian" to mean

"I'm not that thing on the other side of the hyphen". But they are. :rofl:

[terrya]

32. Vincent Gallo is just plain repellent.

It isn't just his party affiliation.

[ghostsofgiants]

39. Yeah, he's a dick in general, but Buffalo 66 is a brilliant film.

[mitchum]

43. Gallo is a Special Renaissance man...

he does many things
but none of them well

[cemaphonic]

45. Gallo is such a douchebag in general though

They can have him.

Good call on Penn and Teller though.

[panhead1961]

21. Dennis Hopper

[Taverner]

28. Are you sure he's really a Republican, and not just married to one?

As for me, I would bring either Dennis Hopper or Jon Voight

[Fighting Donkey]

31. Gary Oldman, definitely agree.

Ah-nuld is my favorite Republican though. Not a bad governor.

[whistler162]

35. Ronald Reagan!

since he is the (figurative)father of a lot of problems.

[Taverner]

49. It all started when he ratted to the HUAC

[Left Is Write]

71. Blame those "Hollywood Insiders" who persuaded him to abandon the Democratic Party

forty-some years ago.

[CreekDog]

38. Bruce Willis

He is kind of endearing and underrated too.

[Taverner]

48. And in the process of coming over

He said good things about Obama in a few interviews, and nothing good about McCain.

[Shiver]

80. Bruce Willis actually refers to himself as an independent now

He's really pissed off with the direction Bush and the neocons have taken the Republican party in, and refuses to identify himself as one any more.

I'm pretty sure he's one of the ones who will go back to the Republican party if they ever manage to return to what they were during Goldwater's day.

[MorningGlow]

41. John Corbett, definitely

I've always thought he was SO HOT. Yeah, I blame Bo, totally. :(

[Taverner]

47. Nah he's a Born-Again Christian

She isn't.

[MorningGlow]

51. Oh dear, sorrier and sorrier

I'm so disappointed! :( :( :(

[Taverner]

53. Mind Viruii Have no Conscience

[mitchum]

44. Mort Sahl

[WinkyDink]

54. ??

[mitchum]

55. Yes, he has even been writing jokes for republican speeches for years now

What a waste of a talent

[WinkyDink]

50. Kelsey Grammer, so I could have my "Frasier" back!

[Left Is Write]

72. I watch Frasier in spite of Grammer's right wingness.

David Hyde Pierce and John Mahoney are more than worth it.

[terrya]

83. So do I.

"Frasier" is one of my all time favorites. Just one classy, well written, well cast, funny show.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

102. You're surprised that Sideshow Bob really is evil?

?

[Xipe Totec]

60. Curt Schilling, da bum! n/t

[Unvanguard]

77. Orson Scott Card. n/t

[realisticphish]

78. Michael J. Nelson

Though he isn't a freeper, just conservative. I still love his stuff, it's just an annoying fact in the back of my head

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

103. Nooo!!!!!

Are you sure? I'm a die-hard MST3K fan and that kills me to hear.

[realisticphish]

106. yeah

he called the dems the "silly party" in an interview. But like I said, he's just a conservative. Not a freeper. I mean, look at the jokes he makes and writes, with MST3K and now with Rifftrax. Certainly no far right winger

[RFKHumphreyObama]

81. "The Fonz" from Happy Days

In real life, Gail O'Grady. I was crushed to find she was a wingnut and supporting the McLame ticket

Ditto Shelley Long (I think she's a Republican)

Other than that Robert Duvall and Janine Turner

[ikojo]

82. Henry Winkler is a pug?

He's JEWISH! How could he even think about being a pug with how involved the Christian fundies are? Wow! I need some concrete proof that he's a pug...

Here's a link to his page from newsmeat.com it appears he has contributed to DEMOCRATS for quite some time, even giving money to the John Kerry campaign.

http://newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=CA&last=winkler&first=henry

[RFKHumphreyObama]

84. No, no, "The Fonz" was a Republican

The actor who played the Fonz -Henry Winkler -is, as you've rightly stated, is a progressive liberal Democrat. I was talking about the character

BTW Adam Sandler's Jewish and, from all accounts, he's supposed to be a pug

[ikojo]

85. Unfortunately there are many misguided Jews out there

I don't understand how they can be Republicans unless they like their tax cuts more than they do their freedom to be Jews.

Oy vey!

Adam Sandler makes movies that are regularly panned by an important faction within his political party, the Christian right. In Sarah Palin's ideal world there would be no Adam Sandler movies. Heck in Sarah Palin's ideal world there would be no Jews as we would all have become Jews for Jesus. Oy!

[Left Is Write]

88. I just looked Sandler up on Newsmeat...

$2100 donated to Rudy Giuliani. His buddy David Spade, though - 100% Dem.

[jeff30997]

94. "He's JEWISH! How could he even think about being a pug with how involved the Christian fundies are"

It doesn't seem to bother Lieberman too much. :P

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

99. nah, Winkler's very liberal

I've seen him on some talk shows. He's still cool.

You might have him mixed up with the character he played on that short-lived "Monty" show from the 90s. It was a poorly made attempt at making fun of rightwing radio. Good intentions-just not a good show.

[wickerwoman]

87. Wow. Gail O'Grady has been married and divorced four times too.

Where do people find the energy? Wouldn't you just pack it in after the third time and just live in sin from then on?

Gotta love those Republican family values.

[Jamastiene]

91. I cannot honestly think of one I would want back.

We have all the good ones. The only one I would have mentioned would have been Johnny Ramone, but he has passed away now. The ones still alive right now> Nah, I can't think of any of them that I'd ever want back.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

93. Gary Sinise

:cry:

[YellowRubberDuckie]

96. John Corbett?

Are you sure? That is freaking depressing. I totally love that guy! Not that it changes how I feel about the characters he plays. That just makes him an incredible actor.
Duckie

[YellowRubberDuckie]

97. I just spent a little time at newsmeat.com...

...and I have learned a few things.
Tracy Lords, the former Porn star, is a republican.
Ted Nugent, the crazy, freaking hunter musician, has given more money to the democrats than he did to the republicans.
Toby "That is coming from a democrat" Keith has given money to the RNC. True democrats really never do that. It is unseemly.
ADAM SANDLER!! gave 2100 to Guiliani. What the hell?
Duckie

[Left Brain]

98. Probably a lost cause, but he SO needs an intervention:

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

100. Harold Lloyd

yeah, he's been dead for 30+ years, but I hate that one of my favorite filmmakers was rightwinger.
Granted, being a Republican meant something else back then.
Guess they can't all be Chaplin, though.

[Zavulon]

101. Patricia Heaton.

Largely because I think she's hot.

[Pushed To The Left]

104. "Nature Boy" Ric Flair

[AtomicKitten]

105. Gary Oldman? That's depressing.