I am completely dreading seeing my brother today

[Taverner]

My brother and I usually get along, despite our serious differences. You see, he's a Baptist (and not the nice kind) Minister up in the fundy part of Canada (Northern Alberta). As for me, I am a Freethinker, and have an aversion to religion like Vampires to garlic.

Despite this he used to be fairly liberal, even going as far as supporting Peter Camejo.

Now he's leaning towards Palin because "he likes and understands her kind"

WTF????????

No doubt politics will be discussed. My dad is full on fascist with an Evangelical Christian facade (even though he goes whoring in Latin America) Mom is on our side, the daughter of a Flint UAW Labor Hero.

Right now, I want to stay home and not see where things go.

Did I mention he has a new baby daughter? Usually you would find joy in such a thing - but since he had the kid he's gone a little bonkers. They didn't play music for the kid during the first 3 months for some reason, and limit the amount of physical affection they give her (and others' give her.) Apparently this is a new kind of Fundy Child Rearing.

[NJmaverick]

1. Well if the topic of Palin comes up

ask him why he likes stupid people running the Country. As him if he had a medical problem would he go to a stupid doctor, just because the Doc was like him? Ask him if his car was broken would he take it to a stupid mechanic because he understood her. Nail him on her complete lack of experience and brains. Ask him what that says about McCain's judgment that he would pick a someone who is less qualified to be President than the average American. Ask him with all the serious problems the country faces, could he even entertain the idea of letting an old man with poor judgment and woman with out a clue lead the Country.

[Taverner]

2. It's not that he's wrong and I'm right

I just don't want to argue this...that's all...

[NJmaverick]

18. Unfortunately the situation is such that we can no longer bite out tongues

Between Iraq, energy and the economy the Republicans have taken us to the brink of disaster.

[NJmaverick]

16. Unfortunately the situation is such that we can no longer bite out tongues

Between Iraq, energy and the economy the Republicans have taken us to the brink of disaster.

[Fleshdancer]

3. wait, what? They limit the amount of physical affection they give a baby??

Babies thrive when touched and can develop numerous problems when not touched and held enough. It's scary to think people would purposefully do this to their babies.

Hold her and don't let her go until it's time to leave. :(

[Taverner]

4. Something about preventing promiscuity

Personally I think its bat shit, but he's been bat shit since they had the baby...

[CaliforniaPeggy]

7. Preventing promiscuity?

Anyone who doesn't get enough love in infancy will spend a lifetime looking for it!

It is bat shit!

That poor little thing...

I am horrified.

[Fleshdancer]

9. It's abusive in my book

How old is she now?

[Taverner]

11. 2 months I think

The funny thing is she smiles and laughs a lot and likes to be held.

[ceile]

15. That was my first thought-child abuse. n/t

[CaliforniaPeggy]

5. My dear Taverner...

I can believe you're reluctant to see your brother...

There's red flags all over the place...

But politics aside, what they're doing to their baby daughter is nothing short of a disaster...

Babies need loving, and lots of attention. To deprive her of this is to make her unable to trust people...

She has the potential of becoming a cold person, one incapable of giving love or of trusting others...

It is a horrible way to raise a child.

I'm so sorry to hear all this...

:scared:

[Taverner]

13. Oh here's a gem from one of my brother's sources:

It is a parent's responsibility to teach his children that their need for affection, acceptance, approval and achievement, needs that must be met if they are to grow to maturity, can ultimately be met only by God.

So the end effect is that the parent should limit their affection shown towards the kids...

[EFerrari]

6. Limiting physical contact with a baby is abusive. And sensory

deprivation slows down brain development.

That's horrible. If this is "fundy child rearing", I expect to hear about them in the news at some point.

There is a wing of my extended family that I haven't seen in 20 years or so. It was just too awful.

Good luck. :(

[La Lioness Priyanka]

8. poor you. all my sympathy to your mom too.

no one wants a sanctimonious womanizer husband

[Taverner]

12. They're divorced

They're still friends, but live separately and live separate lives...

[Bake]

10. I'd stay home, if I were you.

Bake

[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. yoru brother needs an intro to harlows experiments on monkeys

http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Harlow/love.htm

[Vanje]

19. Well yeah, but...

those monkeys grew up really loving God.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. lol

[Taverner]

22. On fire for da Lard!!!!

[SCantiGOP]

17. just show him this

http://www.newsweek.com/id/160080 by far the best and most comprehensive article yet on Palin, but it is rather anti-fundie.

[trueblue2007]

21. Your brother is a liar === sorry

RE: limit the amount of physical affection they give her (and others' give her.) Apparently this is a new kind of Fundy Child Rearing.

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My sister and family are fundamentalist Evangelical Christians. This has NEVER been a part of Christianity. I'm a Christian and I can tell you we love our kids. Sister is a grandma 3 times now and WE LOVE OUR CHILDREN.

I've been a loyal Democrat since I was a child (JFK LOVER) and Fundy's love kids just like NORMAL people.....lol on that one.

Good luck with your brother.



Maybe he is into child abuse??

[Taverner]

23. Not all fundies are the same

For example, lots of fundies are really into Dobson's spanking paddle. Lots of fundies 'Ferberize' their kids, by not responding to a childs cries until after 5 or 10 minutes.

And some fundies think this is horrific. There are a group of fundies who do not hit or even raise their voices - they go silent when angry with the child.

[LibertyLover]

24. I can't believe that anyone in their right mind could not want to give

a baby affection - just as they need to develop properly. If they don't the poor little thing could develop attachment disorder. It's one thing I was concerned about happening when we adopted our daughter - that we might not bond properly. Fortunately that didn't happen and she is a normal 6 year old, but my gosh, that child rearing technique has abuse and mind control oozing out of it.