Why in the hell would you get a visectomy?

[Mass_Liberal]

why not just wear a condom?


I'm particularly seeking the answers of those who have had this wierdass operation


edit for change of topic

[Dookus]

1. Yes

exactly. A vasectomy severs the ducts leading from the testicles, thereby ensuring that sperm doesn't get into the seminal fluid.

[matcom]

5. HEY!

its dinner time DAMMIT!! x(

[Mass_Liberal]

9. why not

wear a condom and save yourself from excrutiating pain?

[Dookus]

10. because vasectomy

is more reliable in the long run than condoms. Also, many people don't like condoms. I haven't had it done (i'm gay) but I know lots of guys who have. It's not excruciating - for most it's a mild discomfort for a day or two. Followed by a lifetime of not worrying about accidental pregnancies.

[Djinn]

91. coz condoms totally suck

[matcom]

2. yup. pretty much it

also tastes great! just like chicken :P

[arwalden]

3. who is 14???

[Mass_Liberal]

me

n/t

[Mass_Liberal]

7. dupe

[MrSlayer]

4. Yes.

Think of it in terms of getting your dog "fixed". The very idea is ghastly to me.

[Dookus]

14. No!

Getting your dog fixed involves REMOVING the testicles, and the loss of all the hormones that they create.

Vasectomy has no effect on hormone production. The testicles keep on plugging away, doing their thing. The sperm just don't go into the vas deferens, and get reabsorbed by the body.

[Taeger]

15. Not exactly

That's castration.

Nuetering is removing the dogs testicles COMPLETELY. This vastly reduces the supply of testosterone and makes the animal WAY more docile and submissive. This is what they used to do to the eunechs that guarded royal harems (no chance of cheatin ;-) )

BTW, no modern 14 year old is "innocent". Best to substitute factual information instead of making up fairy tales.

[Mass_Liberal]

16. note the sarcasm

?

[THUNDER HANDS]

6. Visectomy

damned near killed me!

(ba dum dum)

<sigh>

[put out]

50. Visectomy?

Was it maybe vivisection? Yeah, that'll kill you for sure. In a while.

[ChiefHappyButt]

57. It's cheaper

and there's a do it yourself instruction manual included.

[arwalden]

8. A Search On "Vasectomy" Gets More Accurate Results

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=vasectomy

[Exultant Democracy]

12. Far less fun, I love message board medicine

[RobertSeattle]

11. Fairly similar to a Bushectomy

Something we will do on 11/2/2004.

[Paradise]

13. no age limitations here?

or am i being naieve?

[Lars39]

17. I think there's a 13 yo that posts on here occasionally.

Welcome to DU, Paradise!!! :toast:

[Paradise]

78. how nice...

thanks for the welcome.

[Mass_Liberal]

18. I don't think there are

if I got tombstoned for being 14 I'd be pissed off.

[Paradise]

79. just concerned...

since i see that previous restrictions were removed.

[Lizz612]

72. None at all.

There is an 11 year old in here, I kid you not. He posted a pic in that huge pic thread, and he was in the chat one night.

[Paradise]

80. i'm no prude,

however since previous restrictions have been removed, site may not be suitable for minors.

[MrSlayer]

19. Insanity maybe?

There is no way anyone is coming near the jewels with a sharp object. Self mutilation is not something I'm into.

[Dookus]

25. few people

perform the operation on themselves :)

[MrSlayer]

30. How about voluntary mutilation of self by other?

Fit better?

[CanuckAmok]

37. Yeah, like the voluntary mutilation of any kind of surgery.

Whatever.

Self-mutilation? Hardly. A couple of days of minor discomfort, and it doesn't even leave a scar.

I have had a vasectomy. Two distinct advantages:

1) no need for condoms within a safe relationship

2) sex is far more enjoyable without having the potential for pregnancy lurking in your subconscious.


on edit: also, so many men expect women to take on the responsibility of non-condom birth control. the pill has side effects and may be carcenogenic over long periods of exposure, and is a regular expense. Other forms of BC are also expensive, cumbersome, and kind of icky, and can kill the mood.

So, not wanting a child with my wife (and her in agreement), I put my money where my mouth is, and took a safe, pro-active approach to birth-control. And, it was covered bu the Provincial health plan, so it was FREE!

[MrSlayer]

41. Hey, whatever floats your boat.

I went the opposite way, the wife had her tubes tied.

[Liberal Christian]

46. So, rather than expose yourself to "mutilation"

you took the wimpy way out and had your wife expose herself to a far riskier procedure.

Ah, yes, the act of a truly courageous, manly man.


Edit: for clarity

[CanuckAmok]

52. What, you wanted me to do my own vasectomy?!

I'm weird, but not that weird!

on edit: oops, sorry. I thought you were replying to my thread. Nothing to see here, folks, move along...

[Liberal Christian]

43. Better hope your prostate stays healthy

...and that you don't get testicular cancer
...or develop any major urinary tract problems
...or come up with any of a number of problems that could call for surgery

[lojasmo]

65. Nah, that's crap

None have been proven to be sequellae of a vasectomy.

[Liberal Christian]

66. I just meant if he was scared of surgery in that part of his body

he'd better hope that nothing else ever went wrong.

[burrowowl]

84. I know several men

who have had testicular cancer, 2 were in their late teens, and all didn't have a vasectomy.
The prostrate usually gives males problems after a certain age anyway.
Tieing the vas doesn't go anywhere near the urinary tract.
BTW, bicycle riding, especially with the narrow saddles, causes many cases of impotence. Seems to damage the artery the body uses to tumify the penis. Also, boys should probably use the girls bike type design, less chane of damaging the jewels.

[CO Liberal]

20. "Visectomy" - Is That Putting Mr. Happy In a Vise????

That could HURT.......

:-)

[VOX]

76. Ouch!

What a mental image that is!

Whoa.

[Kamika]

21. Just say NO!

to everything

I guarantee it'l work

[Dookus]

22. OK... since you changed your original post

1) Vasectomy is more reliable than condoms
2) Vasectomy doesn't require you to have condoms available at all times.
3) Many men really dislike condoms (as do some women)
4) Many men don't always think properly when aroused, and can make bad decisions about not using a condom
5) Some people have latex allergies
6) Condoms are expensive


Those are off the top of my head.

[Mass_Liberal]

26. hmm

ok that makes sense. I still wouldn't do it, but those sound reasonable.

[waterman]

28. "Those are off the top of my head."

Ummmm.... did you mean that?

[Dookus]

Indeed I did

I pondered it briefly, then went for it ;)

[TlalocW]

23. Well, I got one because

I don't want kids. I'm not married or in a relationship, and if I can't find a woman who doesn't want kids, I can accept the consequences of my actions (although childfree segment of society is growing larger every day). Also, there was very little pain - a sharp prick (no pun intended) deadened the nut sac and then local anesthetic while the snipping and burning of the tubes were going on and three quick stitches - all over in about an hour. I drove myself home, sat on a bag of frozen peas for an hour and experienced no swelling or any other kind of problem.

TlalocW

[ott]

24. The severing and cauterizing of the vas deferens

Which stops the flow of sperm from the testes. Making the male sterile.

You still ejaculate, the sperm only makes up about 5 - 15% of the seminal fluid. Other than the sterility there is no change in anything.

It's much cheaper and much less evasive than a tubal ligation, (the female option). Takes about 2 weeks to be back @ 100% and about 25 ejaculations to clear out all of the remaning sperm after the supply has been cut off.



edit for original post change: See post #22 for good basic reasons.

I personally got one because I didn't want children of my own. Adoption seemed the better option for me. Condoms break and are rarely vegan. I don't have casual sex and I'm in what I predict will be my last relationship. So, one time testing for STIs takes care of that. Not that condoms will protect against herpes, HPV, chlamydia, or gonorrhea while working perfectly. ...HIV or pregnancy when they bust.

Besides, I prefer not to wear condoms, I worried when I had to wear them, now I don't worry when I don't. Sensation is better, impulsive encounters are worry free and way more fun.

[Champion Jack]

27. A vise-ectomy?

Looks painful

[waterman]

29. Both funny and very much non-funny all at once. What a dichotomy.

[Adams Wulff]

31. I got one because I have 2 kids...

and only planned for one.
Since then, I don't have to worry about condoms, lack of spontaneity, whether she is "really on the pill" (that got me #2), diaphragms and their nasty tasting stuff that comes with them, all in all, hassle free sex.
She doesn't have to worry about pharmaceutical induce hormone fluctuations, pregnancy, or any other apparatuses that may come with the territory of birth control.
In one little snip, the headaches are gone! Well, most of them, anyway. Still working on the organic type, but that's what sex is for!
I'm happy, she's happy, and all for the cost of one $10.00 co-pay!

Life is good!

[LynneSin]

32. Many married men get vasectomies and heres why

Because let's face it, you don't want your poor wife to be popping out kids until your wife turns 50 or so.

Birth Control pills are reliable however but not a good idea to take them for an extended length of time.

Diaphragms & condoms take the spontaneity out of sex

Vasectomies are a hell of alot less evasive to do than tying a woman's tubes (which requires cutting open the body).

[izzie]

33. Is your mother watching you? What number child are you?

You may be the reason.

[Kamika]

34. I have a vasectomy question.. hope it's not silly

Ok.

As I get it, when guys have their vasectomy they tie sometihng so the sperm doesn't go out with the rest of the err liquid.

So.. what happens to it? Doesn't guys produce tons of sperm every day?

[ott]

35. Supply generally meets demand

So, the testes shut down production in no time. Sometimes there is a little initial leakage into the scrotum. The body produces antibodies to the sperm and gets rid of the excess fairly quickly.

[Kamika]

36. hmm

So if guys doesn't have sex for a long time they shut down aswell?

[sangha]

40. I can answer that one!

Definitely not. I believe it's because there's a difference between sperm and seminal fluid. IOW, when a man ejaculates, the ejaculate is not made up of sperm and nothing else. There's a fluid there too. That's keeps on coming, so to speak

[Kamika]

54. I see

But if he does not have sex for a long time.. will he stop producing sperms?

[sangha]

61. Yes

at least, according to another post (above)

[put out]

47. That was not my understanding.

I was taught that the man's body simply reabsorbed the sperm. They are only viable after maturation for a few days, is that (?). Even a fertile man, not ejaculating, reabsorbs the sperm. His testes certainly do not just shut down.

If you think I am mistaken, enlighten me. It doesn't make sense. A fertile man, not ejaculating, then the testes shut down?

[Interrobang]

39. They get reabsorbed by the body.

Mmm, extra protein.

To continue the thread:

My dad had a vasectomy after my sister arrived. It used to be more of a big deal than it is now -- certainly it's not "mutilation" any more than any other minor laparoscopic surgery is; I'm probably more "mutilated" than he was, and I had my gall bladder out. I have two tiny mosquito-bite sized scars on the right side of my abdomen, a tiny line in my belly button, and another one just under my bust. Whoop whoop. Big deal.

As for myself and my fiance, one or other of us is going to be sterilized, whether he has a vasectomy or I have a tubal ligation. He's already said he'd rather have the vasectomy than make me go through that (since a vasectomy doesn't even, AFAIK, require a general anaesthetic). Neither of us want kids, so the advantages outweigh the discomfort:

1) No kids. Guaranteed.
2) No loss of spontaneity during sex.
3) No condoms required, which
3a) saves money;
3b) feels better for both of us;
3c) takes some of the awkwardness out of it;
3d) makes him feel like we're more intimate (I don't care);
3e) improves the taste;
3f) cuts down on my risk of yeast infection, in case my body just doesn't like that brand of condom/spermicide;
3g) saves dealing with the mess of cleaning up used condoms, which is pretty yucky even if they're yours;
4) More reliable and medically safer than The Pill, which I can't take anyway because all the Pills are bound with lactose.
5) Never needs to be renewed or refilled -- once it's done, it's done.

[yo-yo-ma]

77. the body keeps producing sperm after vasectomy

it just doesn't get carried from the testicles and into ejaculate. The hormones that drive sperm production are produced in the brain and act at the level of the testicles. These hormones are completely unaffected by vasectomy. Sperm makes up a very small part of ejaculate and men don't have any sensation of difference.

It is a great and very underutilized form of birth control. Underutilized because men can be too stupidly hung up about their penis . . .

[peterh]

38. No one’s going to touch me with a knife down there…

Nope…not gonna happin…nosireee…

[Ellen Forradalom]

51. Oh sure, your wife can push out a bowling ball 'down there'

but your Down-There is too delicate for an anesthetized snip! :P

[peterh]

53. Yep..yep…I be a wuss….

A tip of the cap to you gals….but I still be a wuss in that area….

[put out]

63. I would keep that sentiment under that cap.

Or you might be exploring your own sexuality for a long time.

[NC_Nurse]

42. Let's see

because I pushed three watermelon size babies outta my poor bottom and it was his turn, capiche?
Vasectomy is a minor procedure with little pain (unless you overdo it after surgery!).
Much less invasive than a tubal ligation for a woman.
Women get menstruation, pregnancy, childbirth, and left holding the bag a lot of times.
Can't men deal with something?:spank:

[Whitacre D_WI]

44. Because KCDem made me.

Or, at least, that's SOME people's reason....

[TXlib]

83. OK, Mr. Dingbat! (As reported by my poll...)

Now I have to chime in.

I had a vasectomy 2 weeks ago. We've already had two kids, and don't want any more.

Despite my joking about it, it was a minor procedure, done with local anaesthetic, and it took about 25 minutes.

The worst part was the anaesthetic injection, and that was relatively minor.

Two weeks later, and I'm nearly fully healed.

The doctor said to wait 4 months (and 40 ejaculations) before submitting semen samples for testing; once I'm cleared, we are 'go ahead' for condomless sex.

The procedure was billed as a standard office visit, and so I only payed the $20 co-pay... the cost of several boxes of high-quality condoms.

The realistic alternatives to condoms would be the pill (risky for long term use) or tubal ligation, an invasive (and far riskier, and more expensive) surgical procedure.

In my opinion, any man who forces/allows his wife to undergo the tubal ligation rather than have the vasectomy shows no love or respect to his wife, and does not deserve her.

If I understand correctly, Mass_Liberal, you are a 14 yo male?

I can understand your present fear of such a procedure; I probably would have reacted the same myself 20 years ago.

The reason for it will likely become viscerally more clear in about 20 years' time for you, after you're married, and have had a few kids.

[MAlibdem]

45. Sex all the time with no birth control

I'm getting one as soon as I finish inseminating my wife a few times (who I think i've yet to meet)


edit: I read you're only 14, i suppose you haven't had sex yet...condoms suck. Big time.

[NightTrain]

48. My father got one because he was tired of wearing condoms...

...and because he and my mother decided not to have any more kids. Besides, the operation was covered by dad's Teamsters insurance, so why the hell not?

[CanuckAmok]

55. Oh, come on...Teamsters aren't awake long enough to conceive!

KIDDING!

(CanuckAmok, former Teamster permittee, ducks).

[Jack_Dawson]

49. Because Condoms Suck???

[Mass_Liberal]

56. I'm really young

so I've never actually "worn one" is it that *#4ing bad?

[CanuckAmok]

58. No, but...

...once you have had to wear one, and once you are in a safe relationship where you don't have to wear one, you'll better understand the appeal of 'going bareback'.

[Mass_Liberal]

59. ok

thanks, pop. ;)

[MAlibdem]

60. Being drunk doesn't help either

drunk+condom=pointless

[CanuckAmok]

67. I should also add...

...that like many people, I'm mildly allergic to latex. That makes condoms even less fun. :(

[sangha]

62. Ummm,

it's not the condoms that are supposed to suck. I think someone gave you the wrong idea

[Milspec]

81. Well generally yes...

But I did know a girl that had a GREAT method of "fitting" a condom.
It gave a new slant on "spontaneity"

[Djinn]

92. only prob there

if you're referring to what I think you are is that

a) not a good idea if you have a chipped tooth - latex tears quite easily

b) they taste f**king awful

[lojasmo]

64. Ugh, condoms

There's that. Also, condoms are only about 85 percent effective when used PROPERLY. There's that as well. Condoms are good STD protection, but that's not so important to us married folk. SO if you want reliable birth control, and don't want the woman to have to take risky horemones, or go under general anesthesia for a horrible operation, vasectomy provides a reasonable method of contraception. I only wish I had taken the valium first.

[burrowowl]

86. Condoms and STD

I knew a fellow who was on a court-marshall in WWII. A soldier came in with syphillus, a no-no. The soldier was asked why he didn't use his condoms while on leave. He said he had, but had only been issued 3 and had sex a 4th time so he turned the last one inside-out.

[sendero]

68. I got one...

... after my second boy was born. I, and my wife, knew that 2 was enough.

The procedure is not fun but it's no worse than a root canal.

There are some statistics about increased risk of prostate cancer but I believe those have been subesequently debunked.

Warning: clinical statement follows...
Seminal volume is significantly reduced.

Overall, since I am now married to a woman who cannot concieve anyway, I'd just as soon not have had it done. On the other hand, I loathe condoms (IMHO the whole act is ruined by them) and there were several years and several partners who I was able to mutually enjoy without worrying about upknocking.

Overall, I give the vasectomy 2 thumbs up :)

[x-g.o.p.er]

69. Condom-free sex with my wife...

Man, having to stop and put on a condom was a major buzzkill. Ruined the mood, and they smell funny. (condoms)

Since the snip-snip, sex is even more fun than usual!!!

WOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Milspec]

70. Casual Sex (adult comments to follow)

I do have sex with younger women, I'm a single 52 year old man with no desire for parenthood at my age, and I will accept the risk of a STD from condom failure (still in use for casual sex) v.s. the ~93% risk of fatherhood due to condom failure.

BTY Birth Control pills have very strong effects on a women's body,at my age I feel its the least I can do to mitigate these effects.

Perhaps I'm being a little course in my view but it is the "bare assed" truth. LOL

[alittlelark]

71. Hubby had it

2 were enough. I respected the hell out of him for it (He gets lucky more often now!) Pregnancy was THE PITS and the world is already waaaaay overpopulated.
It;'s wonderful to have NO concerns!!!!

[qwertyMike]

73. Or even a Vasectomy?

[qwertyMike]

74. Isn't a Visectomy...

a removal of the eye-balls?
I can see a reason for that at closing time.

Though 12 beers would be easier.

[Ramsey]

75. I knew a guy

Who could not ...ahem... wearing a condom.

[ScreamingMeemie]

82. Because you would like to hang out with your wife again.

And you don't want your wife to go through the much more extensive work involved in a tubal ligation...for starters.

[Zomby Woof]

85. because birth control is not an exclusive female domain

And I don't want kids, because they are expensive and smelly.

[TXlib]

87. and they make EVERYTHING sticky.

[Cell17N]

88. Condoms.

They have 1% failiture rate. Vesectomies have <.01% rate. Unfortunatly you can still get a VD.

[Padraig18]

89. I wouldn't, and no bloody circumcision, either!

Keep your bloody knives away from my family jewels, thank you very much!

[Cottonball]

90. simple answer

When you have four children and still want regular intercourse with your wife without having to worry about producing another mouth to feed, then its an easy choice. Women who go through tubal ligation have more side effect later in life. There are no side affects for men and its the safest form of birth control, besides no sex. I had mine on a Friday afternoon and by Saturday evening I was back to having sex and never looked back! Yeeeh Ha!! :bounce:

[Character Assassin]

93. So you don't shoot 'live' spunk. Duh.