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Thu Feb-26-04 09:13 PM
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Poll question: Do you think DU should have a theological forum? |
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Some pretty vicious debate has taken place here in the lounge concerning religion, lately. I usually come into the lounge when I'm tired of arguing. GD is for argument. The GD Primary forum is for argument. Religion by its very nature is going to engender argument. Should it have its own forum so that the lounge can be relatively flame-free?
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Thu Feb-26-04 09:14 PM
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would just be constant bashing against religion
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Thu Feb-26-04 11:49 PM
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20. caught this one after reading all the others... |
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So it probably won't mean too much that I am on your side... so whatever....XXXOOO Jo-lee\ boilerbabe@hotmail.com XXXOOO
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Fri Feb-27-04 09:39 AM
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Thu Feb-26-04 09:15 PM
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2. There's already a religion forum... |
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Thu Feb-26-04 09:15 PM
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Religion waxes and wanes in importance and debate here. It will go away for awhile and then come back later
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Thu Feb-26-04 11:38 PM
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15. Religion will never go away...wish it would |
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Have been reading books regarding Al Queda, etc, just saw the Mel Gibson movie "The Passion of Christ', the only thing I can conclude is that people are brutal, have always been so, and the only difference is that they weren't on cell phones. So whatever religion anyone says they are an adherent to, I say...@#$%^ off/and that's that. I'ts high time we all just got over that stupid crap once and for all.
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Thu Feb-26-04 09:16 PM
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They'd have to hire more moderators, and I fear it would divide us unnecessarily among ourselves.
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Thu Feb-26-04 11:39 PM
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16. I think that we are over that hump |
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Thu Feb-26-04 09:23 PM
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It is not what I come to DU for.
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Thu Feb-26-04 11:42 PM
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17. What did draw you to DU? |
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I haven't been posting in a long time, so am curious about all the new people...have been out of the loop for a while!!
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Fri Feb-27-04 07:45 AM
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22. There must be a site just for this some place. Do you know? |
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I also do not come for this. I like DU as it is. Free Rep goes nuts over this stuff. It is sort of fun to read at times. It always makes me under stand why my father said I had a brain to think for my self.
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Thu Feb-26-04 09:24 PM
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6. No. It's a political website |
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Thu Feb-26-04 09:29 PM
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7. Separation of church and state |
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All the way...yes, even down to lowly li'l DU.
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Thu Feb-26-04 09:34 PM
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8. No, I think the lounge is the appropriate place to have those discussions |
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If there was a religion forum, then it would end up just like the J/PS forum, with everyone blowharding against each other, and no new people becuase no one but a few entrenched people will go there.
I would never go into a religion forum.
Let's leave it at the lounge - I think we've had a share of bashing, yes, and we have people with issues on both sides, but I think overall they've been very good and enlightening discussions, and I have enjoyed them.
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Thu Feb-26-04 10:44 PM
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9. No 'cause it'll be ten times worse than GD and GD2004 |
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And being recently ripped to shreads in GD2004, I highly oppose a religion forum, for I believe it'll further divide us and provoke GD-style arguments.
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Thu Feb-26-04 10:49 PM
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I don't even know how I ended up in GD2004 but man I will never do that again! 4 sure don't need more of that.
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Thu Feb-26-04 11:25 PM
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Sorry you had to find out the dangers of GD2004 like that.
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Thu Feb-26-04 10:50 PM
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I'm not "bashing", but if you want to discuss theology, there are a million other sites out there. Many of which will provide you with more "measured" responses.
/my two cents. (sorry if the "f-word" disturbs you)
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Thu Feb-26-04 11:46 PM
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19. should I have had my sound turned up for your killer signature line!! |
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Thu Feb-26-04 11:52 PM
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21. If I knew Java, I'd piss everyone off |
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by linking Ace Cannon to my sig.
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Thu Feb-26-04 10:50 PM
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12. I tend to avoid religious discussion... |
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I hate drama. However, I enjoy a good conversation about religion. Not a flame war. If others can play nice and abide by the rules, I have no problem. The question is: can we?
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Thu Feb-26-04 11:45 PM
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18. some of us are nice...hehehehe |
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Thu Feb-26-04 11:27 PM
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never, ever, ever, ever, works.
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Fri Feb-27-04 08:06 AM
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The Civil Rights/Equality/Privacy forum allows discussion of religion as a political issue, while the Lounge provides a place for talking about religion as a personal choice. Giving theology its own subforum would elevate religion's political importance over other personal freedoms.
Plus, it would just rankle the shit out of me every time I saw it. ;)
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Fri Feb-27-04 08:42 AM
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24. Religion attracts anger because it is so often the whitewash |
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that unites bigots and apologists for crime.
Right now the US Catholic Church is facing bankruptcy because of the thousands of reported cases of child sex abuse by Catholic priests that were covered up for the last 50 years.
The role of politicians has been seminal to this cosy arrangement. Both democrats and republicans alike.
In Europe the latest figures show up to 25,000 cases per country are now believed to have been hidden on politician's orders. Anxious no doubt not to rock the boat and brush all that stuff under the carpet hoping it will go away.
Then there is the Middle East where the Jewish/Moslem bigotry has escalated beyong the Palestinian issue into the 9/11 debate.
Religion doesn't need a separate forum on the DU.
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Fri Feb-27-04 08:49 AM
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25. Politics and religion are entwined |
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Religion often governs how a person sees the world and politics is the means by which we enact our vision. They flow from and too each other.
Now a forum dedicated to debating actual religious claims is an entirely different matter. I have been a mod (SOP) of various religious debate forums and we have not seen anything approaching the direct assaults on religious belief that such a forum would provide. The religous debates found here in DU focus on religions effects on politics with the occaisional outburst from nonproductive zealots.
Setting aside a forum just because of the zealots will simply put a chill on legitimate political discussions that take religion into consideration. And we do not want a forum here dedicated to an all out religious donnybrook.
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Fri Feb-27-04 08:53 AM
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26. The Meeting Room serves that purpose quite well already. |
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And most of the people there are relatively respectful in such threads.
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Fri Feb-27-04 09:15 AM
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27. In my experience the Meeting Room is brimming with |
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fundamentalist astrologers and apologists for those who worship the tarot, dodgy 'supernatural' prophecies like Nostradamus and The Celestine Phrophecy, and various purveyors of psychic prediction.
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Fri Feb-27-04 09:18 AM
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28. Yeah, but when you say it |
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...you make it sound like a bad thing! :D
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Fri Feb-27-04 10:05 AM
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31. There's a fine line between satire and bigotry! |
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Lampooning the astrologers/soothsayers/those offering their services on the DU via Paypal is a part-time hobby for some - and why not!
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Fri Feb-27-04 09:20 AM
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29. I've had some very good theological conversations there. |
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Fri Feb-27-04 10:19 AM
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34. Sadly, my experience is different from yours! |
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The best theological exchanges rarely happen for me in this part of DU.
It put me off when I found various astrologers and 'psychics' touting for business by posting their paypal sites.
Gullibility sucks....
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Fri Feb-27-04 10:11 AM
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much like sex, there are myriad internet fora where one can go to discuss and debate religion issues in all their multi-faceted splendor. DU is a forum for discussing liberal and progressive U.S. politics.
And much like sex as a topic here, there will always be occasions where sexuality, gender, religion and social issues relating to them are legitimate topics a political forum should feel comfortable discussing, polling and debating upon.
However, setting up a new forum for those topics strikes me as taking the context away from the discussion. I can't support that. Debating the existence of God is all fine and lovely, but isn't really useful politically. Regardless of one's position in that debate, one should have rights and protections. Whether or not there is a God should not determine whether religion has a place in a U.S. publicly-funded institution.
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Fri Feb-27-04 10:13 AM
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I don't see "vicious" debate, but I do hope to see a theological forum.
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