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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 09:57 PM
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OMG!!! My Republican wife came this close ---->
Edited on Mon Nov-03-08 09:58 PM by Aristus
<---- to voting for Obama!


She's filling out her absentee ballot, and got hung up on the Presidential race. She can't bring herself to vote for a "pro-abortion" Democrat. But Sarah Palin absolutely nixes my wife's desire to vote for McCain. She thinks Palin is a clown, and an insult to womanhood.

My wife reveres Jimmy Carter for being a principled Christian. He's her favorite President, Democrat or Republican. She asked if Carter had endorsed Obama. I yes...sort of. I Googled his endorsement of Obama, but it wasn't strong enough to sway her. Then I played the video of Colin Powell, a Republican, on Meet The Press, endorsing Barack Obama. She respected his point of view and was just about to mark her ballot for Obama, then asked me if Joe Biden was a Christian. I said yes, not mentioning that he's Catholic. She doesn't believe Catholics are Christians.

Then she put her pen down. She wants to sleep on her decision. Which I respect.

Replies are welcome. But keep your snarks to yourself. My wife is a wonderful woman with an astonishing brain and a beautiful soul. She was raised Republican, and some things are too much to overcome...

Anyway, I adore her...

But I'm voting for Obama...B-)
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:00 PM
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1. She doesn't believe Catholics are Christians?
No snark here. There is no point.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:10 PM
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4. I know, crim son. I'm not happy about it, either.
It's the evangelical thing. She thinks Catholics worship the Virgin Mary, not Jesus. I tried to tell her the difference between worship and veneration, but she's not convinced...
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:25 PM
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6. Oh, I've come across it before, and in very good people.
Just one more reason I'm not any form of Christian. I know Mrs. Aristus is an excellent lady, because you love her.
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:07 PM
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2. Pro-Choice doesn't mean Pro-Abortion
it means that a woman's right to choose is honored. Her choice is between herself and God. I personally don't think I could go through an abortion, but I'm not going to tell another woman she can't.

In the 6 years the Republicans controlled the House and Senate, Roe v. Wade was not overturned. In the 8 years we had a Republican president, it was not overturned. It's not going to change. It's a wedge issue that's been used for years.

Just my two cents.

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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:08 PM
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3. "She doesn't believe Catholics are Christians."
Edited on Mon Nov-03-08 10:23 PM by sasquatch
Wow, was she from the same town I was raised in, my mother is really stressed about me becoming Catholic (which I won't) because I go to Catholic Church festivals. She's a died in the wool Presbyterian and my ancestors were German Lutherans so you can tell how they feel about the Papacy.
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:16 PM
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5. See what you think about this article
Edited on Mon Nov-03-08 10:18 PM by lizziegrace
http://cwnewz.com/content/view/415/2/

"Barack Obama's strengthening of support for prenatal care, health care, maternity leave, and adoption will make the difference. "


And don't get me wrong, I do not want Roe v Wade overturned. I'm just looking for articles and information that might help your wife come to a decision *she's* comfortable with.

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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:43 PM
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7. "She doesn't believe Catholics are Christians" My wife is Catholic.
MiM is shaking his head. What does she think about William Shakespeare's thoughts??

:sad:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:49 PM
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8. Hey Aristus, show this to her.
Edited on Mon Nov-03-08 10:57 PM by SeattleGirl
It might make her feel a little better about voting for Obama.

http://prolifeproobama.com/

And of course, however she chooses to vote is her business, but if abortion is a big issue for her, this might speak to her.

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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:49 PM
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9. Try these:
Matthew25.org

putawayfalsehood.com

prolifeproobama.com
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VenusRising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:37 PM
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10. He's not pro-abortion.
He is pro Women's Health.

No woman should ever be sentenced to death because the pregnancy happens to be complicated. Under McCain/Palin, no abortion EVER even if the life of the mother is at stake with a non-viable fetus.

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:40 PM
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11. no one that i know is "Pro-abortion", pro-choice yes.
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:40 PM
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12. She is lucky to have you for a husband.
:) :hug:

I wish I could say something to change her mind, but it's difficult to get over such ingrained ideas like Republicanism.

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:43 PM
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13. Sorry, but I don't respect her reasons.
Christians who will only vote for Christians--or only for Protestants--is unamerican.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:43 PM
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14. My mom is just like your wife, and another DUer gave me this to send her:
etters to the Editor: Thursday, Oct. 2, 2008
Republicans don't give evangelicals much

For more than 50 years of my adult life I have been an evangelical Christian. My relationship with the Lord has guided my life.

Despite my heartfelt and often-stated objections to abortion and homosexuality, my Christian beliefs were challenged because I was a Democrat.

I have never questioned anyone's personal Christian relationship because of where they worship or their political leanings. Now for Democrats like myself who are also evangelicals, it is time to set the record straight.

A 1973 Supreme Court decision, Roe v. Wade, legalized abortion by a 7-2 vote. Six of the seven justices in the majority were Republican appointees. The only Democratic appointee, Byron White, voted against Roe v. Wade.

In fact, in every year since 1969, the U.S. Supreme Court has been controlled by a majority of Republican-appointed judges. There has not been a Democrat-appointed chief justice since 1953.

Currently, there are seven Republican appointees and two nominated by Democrats.

Obviously, if the Republican majority had wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade at any time since 1973, they had the votes to do so. Why haven't they?

In 2003, the U.S. Supreme Court in Lawrence v. Texas overturned a Texas law against sodomy. Once again, in the 6-3 decision, four Republicans voted to overturn the law.

Recently, the California Supreme Court overturned the state's ban on same-sex marriage.

Six of the seven California judges were elected Republicans.

From 2003-2006, Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and the presidency. In 2006, the FDA approved an "over the counter" abortion drug known as "Plan B."

The head of the FDA serves at the pleasure of President Bush.

My point is clear: For religious leaders to continue to blame Democrats for Republican actions is wrong.

Thomas King

Kodak, Tenn.

http://dailymail.com/Opinion/LetterstotheEditor/200810020149



In my opinion, the GOP could have easily overturned Roe v. Wade during four years of Bush's two terms in office. They will never do so though, because it's far too valuable a "carrot" with which to draw out 34% of the voters (mostly their voters) to the polls. Without abortion, all they have left is gay marriage, and wouldn't evangelicals be more concerned with wars, poverty, the environment, the erosion of civil liberties, affordable health care, education, the economy and global relations than if two individuals want to make a commitment to one another? Just something to consider, given the cynical nature of the party.

BTW- my mom loves Carter too.

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