I slept...It does not feel any better today that 8 won.

[KitchenWitch]

I am so fucking depressed.

[Haole Girl]

1. Aww

I just saw this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3584630

Could there be any hope to reverse that, you think:

:hug:

[KitchenWitch]

2. I can hope, but I am not sure there are enough NOs in those ballots to counteract the YESes.

:hug:

Civil rights by Ballot Proposition should be outlawed.

[Bertha Venation]

7. Welcome to California.

The state that wiped out the arts in public schools because people voted themselves massive property tax cuts.

I'm hurting too. We were going to get married on our next trip home.

[KitchenWitch]

11. Fuck fuck fuck

:hug:

I am so sorry. I wish I could have done more.

[Bertha Venation]

14. maybe i've not been paying attention . . .

. . . are you taking this loss as your own personal failure?! J., don't do that. The failure is on the shoulders of the bigots. Thousands of people like you gave it all they could, but bigotry is still too strong. It's going to require the power of the courts to protect this minority from the tyranny of the majority. Might does not make right when it comes to civil rights.

The loss (if it is, there's still a chance) is not your fault, my friend. :hug:

[cwydro]

3. Amendment 2 in Florida as well.

Fear and intolerance on both coasts.

[KitchenWitch]

4. disgusting.

:banghead:

[Shakespeare]

5. They're still counting the votes, so I'm going to hold out hope a little longer.

I just can't accept (yet) that it passed. Fingers still crossed.

[jonnyblitz]

6. I appreciate the efforts of you and your family!

thank you! :hug: :hi:

[ghostsofgiants]

8. I just got into an argument here at work over the anti-gay ballot initiatives.

It's depressing that your country still hasn't gotten its head out of its ass on gay rights.

[Parche]

9. Dont be

You did all you could
we as humans can still fight, and win again at a later date
its not over yet
those ignorant right wing religious fukwads will have a fight on their hands
and we will not lose that one.

:hi: :hug: :hug: :hug:

[TZ]

10. Look at it this way..

Gays and Lesbian rights are still WAAAAAY better than they were 8 years ago. Maryland has a gay marriage ban from years ago yet they have the right to get all sorts of domestic benefits..Most companies here will offer them.
Personally I think right now they are better off focusing on getting the actual benefits of marriage and calling it a "civil union" than trying to pass unpopular legislation (if any state were going to vote that down it would be Cali which means it should NOT be tried in other states)
The acceptance is getting better now, it just takes time. Civil rights don't change overnight sadly..Obama is the culmination of 40 years of hard work.

[KitchenWitch]

12. Yah, I know...

And I will stand and continue to fight. This just feels I was punched in the gut.

[Left Brain]

13. and KW

I will stand beside you, and we'll fight until we overcome the idocy and bigotry and stupidity.

(((((KitchenWitch)))))

[cboy4]

17. That's an easy thing for someone who hasn't been robbed

of their joy to say.

It's not fair that I'm not experiencing the same level of happiness as every other Democrat.

This isn't like sports and it's just a stupid loss.

I'm not trying to cause an argument. I'm just saying this may not be the best day to tell gay people and their supporters to look on the bright side.

I can tell you it's very dark in California today.

on edit: TYPO

[TZ]

21. I understand that

But you should not let this frustrate you all, especially on a day of historic value..The country IS moving forward and what happened last night with Obama should NOT be undervalued either...I will say this again..I think equal rights WILL come..its just a matter of time. Think about how the judiciary will change now..And its quite evident that the real forefront in this battle will be the judiciary.
Take some time and listen to some of the civil rights veterns...It will help you keep inspired...My state is as liberal a CA and has a same sex marriage ban in its constittuion...Its more important to move on and keep fighting than to curse and feel awful about political realities. I've said this many a time...In the 20 years of my real adulthood, I've seen gay rights take a huge fundamental step forward..Its two steps forward, one step back..This is a step back..
Look at the generation gap on the voting for agaisnt Prop 8--the strength in the younger population should be VERY encouraging

[La Lioness Priyanka]

24. real easy to say when its not your rights

:eyes:

[TZ]

25. So being angry bitter and pouting is gonna help how?

You have to move forward. Grouching about political realities won't help.
And please don't assume I've never been discriminated agaisnt. I have. And just bitching about it does NOTHING.

I never EVER thought I would be flamed for looking for the positive.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

26. so being upset for less than 24 hours is angry, bitter and pouting now?

:puke:

[TZ]

27. No but flaming me for TRYING TO CHEER KW UP

IS! If you want to think I'm insensitive to gay people fine believe whatever crap you want! Get over yourself. Having an attitude doesn't help you.
I strongly suggest you put me on ignore since you have me pegged as a bigot.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

29. your little comment on us need to focus on civil union and not equal rights

hardly qualifies as trying to cheer someone up

[PeaceNikki]

31. I don't think it's "grouching" to be pissed about civil rights.

You do understand that there are over 1000 rights afforded to heterosexuals that are being denied to homosexual couples, right?

I am strongly of the opinion that we need to be angry and fired up and "grouch" about it. It's an important issue and we can't be dismissive or complacent about it. Not for one minute.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

34. Nice job of trying to diminish real feelings about civil rights BEING TAKEN AWAY

You're straight. You have your rights. There isn't any government sanctioned discrimination taking place against you.

[Fran Kubelik]

39. I guess I'm bitter and pouting too.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

32. It's easy for straight people to talk like that

How about if you got married and suddenly your marriage was illegal? Would you be okay with that, and waiting for someone to decide it was time to treat you like a human again?

[Zuiderelle]

33. AYou're wrong, civil rights DO change overnight. They did LAST NIGHT.

Now all the thousands of couples who were married LEGALLY in California have been stripped of their civil rights. California voted overwhelmingly to make a black man president on the same fucking ballot on which they stripped other Americans of civil rights.

You know... It doesn't help much to be told that our rights are WAAAAAY better than they were 8 years ago the day after this horrific proposition passed. And bragging about domestic partner benefits... those benefits that cost me TWICE what they cost a straight person, that doesn't help much either.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

35. EXACTLY...great post!

:thumbsup:

[jonnyblitz]

36. yeah, we love you, too , turtlewhatever

:puke:

[Zuiderelle]

38. ...

:spray:

[Fran Kubelik]

40. My suggestion, if you will take it.

Walk away from this thread. Stop trying to defend yourself. You've talked yourself into a corner. You've said things that you didn't even realize were insensitive. You're not a bad person at all, but if you keep insisting that you're right here, you're going to come across as one.

Cool?

[LostinVA]

41. Too late for me

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

44. Same here

[puerco-bellies]

15. I think that there may be 3 million more votes to count.

It may not be over.
:hug:

[DarkTirade]

16. Yeah, I've been disconnected so I didn't find out until just a few minutes ago.

[cboy4]

18. Thank you for all you do KW.

It does not go unnoticed. :hug:

[KitchenWitch]

19. I just wish I could get all the knuckleheads in our 'party' that voted yes on these measures...

to realize that when rights are denied to one group, they are denied to all of us.

:hug:

[Reverend_Smitty]

20. It's a shitty outcome

I mean taking away rights from a group of people that already existed under state law will go down in history as a big bigoted mistake. I hope the next generation of kids will look back at the days of gay rights discrimination with the same sense of disbelief and disgust that we now look at pre-Civil Rights era.

If one person can give me a reason why gay marriage should be banned without using some lame biblical "marriage was created for one man and one woman cuz gawd said so" excuse, I'd love to hear it

[siligut]

22. There really isn't another reason.

The excuses are all they’ve got. Like somehow it changes a marriage between heterosexuals. Or the whole idea that it is immoral, fuck inequality is what is immoral.

The saddest and cruelest thing is homosexuals have been invalidated. I think of guys like Matthew Shepard and all the guys who tried to have heterosexual relationships to satisfy some idiotic notion that their love isn’t real.

I just detest these churches that preach hate. The bible doesn’t actually even say anything about gays, Sodom was about inhospitality! Fuck those assholes, just fuck them! They should have their tax free status removed!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. your depression provide me consolation

i know that is a very weird thing to say but it is really encouraging and heartwarming for me to see straight du'ers also be bummed about the astounding beating we gay du'ers took

[KitchenWitch]

28. Both my husband and I have been crying about this today.

Somehow I do not believe that Jesus - the historical figure - not the biblical icon - would have been happy with today's outcomes in Florida, California, Arkansas and anywhere else there were rights taken away from human beings.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

30. thank you for fighting so hard for equality and for being sad with me

i really really appreciate it, so very much

[Zuiderelle]

37. I join lioness in thanking you for your support and understanding.

:patriot:

It's a bittersweet day today. That's all I can say.

[GOPisEvil]

42. Talk about your "does not compute" moments...

A majority of Californians voted for an African-American man to be their next president, but similarly voted to deny people their civil rights.

I've had so many arguments with my religious liberal friends (including those of color). They cannot bring themselves to see this as a civil rights issue. It's enough to make me :banghead:

How can one of the most tolerant states in the union be so intolerant? :(

[Initech]

43. Yeah... I'm so pissed off at the outcome of Prop 8 I could puke.

[Jamastiene]

45. I'm personally happy you are still here with us, being supportive after the fact.

It is very important to me that you are so supportive. You are one of my best friends here on DU. I am sad about 8 too. It is good to know that you are here by our side to be supportive of us after the defeats as well as before.

:hug: