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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 01:48 PM
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Planning on attending the Inauguration? Tips for coming to DC from a resident.
I don't mean to be mean or anything, but following a few simple (safety) tips can make your visit more enjoyable for both you and the city's natural inhabitants...

1) When using escalators - if you don't plan on walking on them, kindly stand to the right. People are trying to get by.

2) When finished using the escalators - please go SOMEWHERE. Anywhere, really. Just don't block the path - there are people right behind you that have no choice but to keep moving. You will be trampled. Similarly, I promise you that the escalator will not bite... just keep walking normally until you are fully on the stairs. You need not approach it as if it were a pissed off alligator.

3) On the same topic, if you don't know where you're going, DON'T BLOCK THE PATH. Kindly step to the side, figure it out, or ask someone - most Washingtonians are more than happy to help. We are less happy to have to walk around human walls when we're late for a meeting as it is.

4) Not to beat a dead horse, but our sidewalks are very narrow as well. If you're taking your time and strolling casually, please don't form a walking wall by going three or four people wide. If you have a group, some will have to walk ahead and some will have to walk behind. Remember that this is a working city, not a tourist destination - people have places to go.

4) Have some respect. Have respect for yourself by not acting like a fool moron - if you want to do that, the fine folks in Orlando and Las Vegas will be pleased to have you. Have respect for others by not screaming at each other in close quarters (ie. Metro, elevators). Have some respect for where you are, by dressing appropriately (if you're visiting your Congress critter, for example, don't show up at the Capitol wearing Crocs.) And if you absolutely must have a cell phone conversation on a bus or train, please use your indoor voice. Remember that text messaging does indeed work if you're trying to coordinate with others.

5) Above all - have some respect for our monuments. For example, if I happen to catch someone giddily standing in the statued bread line at the FDR memorial for a picture, I WILL elbow you in the stomach. That always pisses me off - you're mocking what was a very trying time in our nation - one that many people are still struggling through, especially in today's economy. Our memorials are not rides at Disney World - they are important reminders of both great and tragic moments in our country's history. Show a little decency, please.

6) Rule #5 does not apply to the White House until George W. Bush vacates it. Please feel free to flip him off - lord knows I do every day on my way to work.

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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 02:11 PM
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1. Thanks for that
Though I could use a bit more detail on use of escalators.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 05:16 PM
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7. I know you're being sarcastic, but trust me, people need a fucking users manual for them.
You truly would not believe what I go through during the tourist months here. It's like people have never seen them before.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 02:17 PM
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2. Can you explain how to use traffic circles?
Those things confuse the hell out of those of use from the sticks.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 05:15 PM
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6. The person on the circle has the right of way - ALWAYS.
It's as simple as it gets. Wait until you have a chance to get on.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:05 PM
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20. If you want to continue on the same street
On the other side of the circle, get on the interior circle lanes.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 02:28 PM
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3. What about pointed sticks?
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vard28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 02:49 PM
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4. Gotta go through
the whole self denfense against fresh fruit class before we tell you about the dreaded pointed sticks. :hi:
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 04:14 PM
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5. As a former Washingtonian...
I'd like to add:

~I've seen people shoved down the escalator for standing on the wrong side. It's rare but it happens and people get hurt.

~Blocking the escalator while people are trying to catch a departing Metro train, in particular, is a capital offense.

~Take the Metro as much as possible instead of driving. The Metro day-pass is the best bargain in public transit (unlimited one-day transit during off-peak hours) and you're doing your part to reduce congestion. The Metro opens at the crack of dawn and is open past midnight. (During the inauguration activities, it is likely that weekend or 24-hour scheduling will be in effect.)

~If you're lost, ask directions. We've (with few exceptions) all been new to DC at one time...we know that it's easy to get lost with all the circles, the strange road-grid and the plotted-quarters (NE, NW, SE, SW) and that fact that some addresses exist in all four quarters. Don't pick the worst place to stop and plug up the works. Road and foot traffic is already a nightmare. In particular, the kiosk people at the Metro would be glad to help you and they know the city better than many natives.

~Turn off your cell phone in inappropriate settings.

~Please ask permission of people before you take someone's picture. I know...you think it'll be neat to have a picture of the people's business being done. From the other standpoint, it's kind of weird and uncomfortable to have some random dude taking your picture. Also, many places do not allow photography for security reasons.

~In the unlikely event that anything happens, DC has one of the best emergency-response plans anywhere. Calmly get to someplace safe and await public safety instructions. It will save lives and restore order more quickly. If you need assistance, ask public safety personnel. Wear walkable shoes...I had to walk from Pentagon City Mall to Brookland to get home on 9/11.
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 05:55 PM
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8. I've visited DC many times.
But, excuse me, YOUR monuments?!
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 06:05 PM
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9. Yeah...
I peed on them, they're mine. :hide:

Just to be clear, I've never peed on the monuments nor would I ever. The "marking the territory" joke was just low-hanging fruit.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 07:21 PM
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11. Uhm, last I checked, DC is part of the United States.
And since we are Americans, I think I can reasonably say OUR, collective OUR monuments. Jackass.
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 07:27 PM
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14. The context is everything.
It's clear to me what you were saying. You consider us outsiders and interlopers. Jackass.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:16 PM
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25. If you lived in this area and had to deal with ignorant tourists,
you might very well share Vash's frustrations. I live just outside DC and work in the city, and I know I share them.

And yes, when we see groups jerks clogging up escalators so that nobody can pass them, or parents letting kids write their names on the monuments, we do consider THOSE people outsiders and interlopers. The people who exhibit common sense and common courtesy are no problem.
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:34 PM
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30. I resent the assumptions.
Sure, you've seen that side of people. So have I. I've been lucky enough to travel. Some of the tips were useful to people who might be new to DC. But I found the entire tone to be incredibly condescending.
My last few visits to your fair city involved police guards and free speech zones. You make me feel even less welcome.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:37 PM
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32. I made none.
Edited on Thu Nov-06-08 11:52 PM by Zavulon
I pointed out that there are tourists which exhibit common sense and those who don't. I never assumed that you or anyone else in particular would fall into either category; I merely pointed out that the ones with common sense are no problem and the ignorant ones are a royal pain in the ass.

If by "assumptions" you were referring to the OP instead of my post, then ignore this one.

Edited to add "you" before "or anyone else," which my lame typing made me somehow omit
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. Sorry, gotcha confused.
I shouldn't have. You didn't call me a name.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:50 PM
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34. No worries.
I posted a dozen tips in one post in this thread myself, and although I tried to include more advice and less criticism than the OP, you'll see one in particular in which I couldn't help using a lot of caps because people who do what I warn against in that tip REALLY piss me off. The pros of living here are many, but the few cons can be unbelievably frustrating.

I might not have made the same post that Vash made, but I do share a lot of his feeling on this. As happy as I am that Obama is going to be inaugurated, I'm seriously considering getting out of town during that time (three days before, Inauguration Day and three days after) rather than trying to go downtown for it. If even half of that Chicago crowd that celebrated with Obama comes, I might as well not even try going to work that week.

Anyway, I was just defending the sentiment behind the OP. As for the actual tone, that's in the eye of the beholder. If you don't live in this area, I certainly can see why you might have been rubbed the wrong way.

P.S. - If you're coming, please see that post of mine, especially the tip about the red light cameras. That post of mine just might save you a few hundred bucks.
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 12:23 AM
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36. I was stationed in Norfolk.
And did some Navy time in Baltimore. I wandered Maryland and Virginia and visited DC a lot. And that was before the trains.
I'm coming to the Inauguration and staying with friends. I'll use public transportation, like I always do.
While it's not the same scale, most cities have events that inconvenience the residents. I was in NYC for the Bicentennial. Would you have joined the party or have hightailed it out of town?
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Jeanette in FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:28 AM
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56. Have fun at the inauguration, don't forget the beer!
That should be the Public Service Announcement for DC.

Get your Adult Beverages early in the day, so you don't spend half the night walking around DC looking for a grocery store or liquor store that sells beer. :toast:

Have fun. :hug:
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:45 AM
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65. I'm bringing it this time.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 05:25 AM
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86. Can't say, I wasn't there and
I wasn't old enough to have made the decision anyway (I was five weeks away from turning 13). The Bicentennial didn't have much effect on a pre-teen living in Quebec at the time :)

Nowadays, if an event looks like it's going to be too much of a pain in the ass, I ask for vacation around that time to at least give myself the option. I'll have to see with this one. I can be just as happy for myself, you, and Obama at Fells Point.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:28 AM
Response to Reply #14
49. You made the wrong assumptions.
Sorry if you read too much into it, but that's your problem.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 06:10 PM
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10. If you see a building with cameras, checkpoints and barbed wire fencing
Please, feel free to take as many pictures of it as you want. It's a federal building so you own it and you are on a public sidewalk. If police or security guards try to confiscate your memory card or try to get you to delete your photos, tell them to "Fuck off!" then contact the ACLU.


Secret Buildings You May Not Photograph, Part 643

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/rawfisher/2007/07/secret_buildings_you_may_not_p.html

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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 07:23 PM
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12. Does that mean you have a right to everything that requires security clearance too?
I think not. Sorry,but you're not winning that one.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 07:27 PM
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15. What are you saying exactly?
I have the right to take a picture of a building from a public sidewalk. Period.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 07:25 PM
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13. As far as I'm concerned those are rules that people should follow everywhere
God, I hate going into NYC and having tourists in my way.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:38 AM
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52. And I'm apparently a hateful asshole for preaching common sense.
Funny, ain't it?
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:44 PM
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16. Since when is someone living in Silver Spring, MD a DC resident?
:shrug:

Don't bother to answer. I don't care what you have to say especially after you told me you wished I were dead. Your manners leave much to be desired.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:06 PM
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21. Silver Spring is DC Metro area, as is
Laurel (where my official home of residence is) and Arlington, VA (where my girlfriend's place is and where I spend a lot of time). The Silver Spring Metro, which is Red Line, can you directly (in other words, without changing trains) to one of the closest stops to the White House (Farragut North).

No comment on whatever manners issue you two have between you, but a typical Silver Spring resident who works in DC is probably about as knowledgeable about DC as any actual DC resident is, at least from the aspect of advising tourists.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:30 AM
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43. You live in Laurel?
I'm so sorry.

(I can make fun, my sister lives there--and works in Silver Spring :))
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 05:18 AM
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85. Too lazy to move.
Edited on Sat Nov-08-08 05:20 AM by Zavulon
Besides, I spend 25-26 out of every 30 nights in Arlington anyway.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:33 AM
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50. When did I do that?
Probably the Russert thread, in which you were acting like an abysmal human being.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 10:33 PM
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17. wow...
Your kind of an asshole.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 12:05 AM
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35. I lived in DC for years, and he's exactly right.
Consideration goes both ways. You'll find DC residents for the most part friendly and helpful (and in a city that can be confusing to find your way around in, you might need their help), but don't act like a clueless goober, especially on the subways.

I can't count how many times I missed a train home (or was late getting TO work) because some tourist who was more interested in talking than paying attention blocked the escalator and caused scores of people to miss a departing train.

He's not an asshole. He's a little snarky, but he's offering good tips for visitors.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:36 AM
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51. For essentially preaching common sense and courtesy? Really?
Hmm... can't say I agree.
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:00 PM
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18. Let me add a few. Well, a dozen.
1.) Don't take photos in a Metro station. It's been against the law since 9/11. Truth be told, your chances of getting caught are barely 50-50 even if you use flash, but if you do get caught you're facing a big fine, a lot of time wasted and you probably won't get your camera back.

2.) You can carry food and drink in a Metro train car, but if you're caught consuming it you're going to be fined and detained. Remember, this is the same city that handcuffed a 12 year-old girl for eating a cheeseburger on the train. Just ask our current Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, John Roberts, who ruled that Metro was within its rights.

3.) Sorry to yell, but this one pisses me off: WHEN BUYING TICKETS FOR THE METRO AND USING CASH, PLEASE DO NOT USE THE MACHINES THAT ACCEPT CREDIT CARDS. THESE MACHINES ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT PEOPLE WHO USE SMARTTRIP CARDS (plastic readable cards that you can load up with money) CAN USE TO REPLENISH THEIR CARDS. With the exception of standing still on the left side of the escalator, NOTHING IS MORE INCONSIDERATE IN THE METRO THAN USING ONE OF THESE MACHINES TO PAY CASH FOR A TICKET WHEN ALL OF THE OTHER MACHINES OFFER THAT SAME SERVICE. It's easy to tell which ones to use if you're paying cash for your ticket: tall and mostly black in color - good. Shorter with lots of light blue on the face: bad.

4.) Don't use a $20 bill unless you're spending at least $13 on Metro trips. The machines will not dispense any more than $7 in change. Also, remember that EVERY PASSENGER NEEDS A SEPARATE TICKET because you have to insert your fare on the way in and on the way out. The trips are priced by length; this is not the New York system by any means.

5.) If you come up short on your exit fare, there are exit fare machines just before the exits. As a general rule, there will be someone there with a sob story about how he is just 35-50 cents short, and, gosh darn it, he forgot his wallet. THIS PERSON DOES THIS FOR A LIVING AND YOU SHOULD NOT GIVE HIM A CENT.

6.) For that matter, you'll see that crap near the ticket machines near the entrances, too; a guy gives you a bad luck sob story. As soon as you give him money, he'll walk away until you're out of his line of sight and then uncork the same sob story on the next sap. DON'T HELP HIM EITHER.

7.) Tickets to all Smithsonian museums, including the zoo, are free. Don't fall for those professionally-printed "discount" tickets someone might try to sell you neat the entrance. "Only two bucks to get into the Natural History Museum? I'm in!" The guards will laugh at you and you'll deserve it.

8.) If you overshoot your stop on the Green Line and wind up south of L'Enfant Plaza, don't exit the station - just take the train back. This area has a very high crime rate and the locals can smell tourists like sharks can smell blood. Same goes on the Green Line between Mt. Vernon Square and Fort Totten.

9.) If you rent a car, do not assume that letting your parking meter run over by a mere five minutes is probably safe. D.C. gets shot down every time it tries to get a commuter tax passed, so its parking enforcement division is the most efficient in the country.

10.) Similarly, if you rent, be aware of the red light cameras stationed throughout the city. They photograph the license plates of speeders and those who run red lights. Thanks to the ACLU, MPD is required to tell us where they are, so look for yourself: http://mpdc.dc.gov/mpdc/cwp/view,a,1240,q,548257,mpdcNav_GID,1552,mpdcNav,%7C31885%7C.asp

11.) If you take in a Capitals or Wizards game while here (Verizon Center, directly above the Gallery Place / Chinatown stop) and are using Metro, please make sure you have your return trip already purchased so as to avoid long lines of idiots buying tickets after the game.

12.) For women (or for men who carry "man purses"): If you're going to museums, especially those of the Smithsonian type, see if you can tour the city without carrying a purse. Some of the Smithsonian museums, depending on the crowds, have "purse lines" and "non-purse lines." Every fucking year, when my aunt visits, I have to stand in the lobby of one museum or another for 15 minutes or more because she can't do without that CVS outlet she calls a purse.

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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #18
39. This is very informative
:thumbsup:

You should actually post this in its own thread. A lot of people would find it helpful
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:04 PM
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19. so, basically
follow the exact same rules that any city dweller anywhere in the united states follows?

Gosh golly gee, THANKS mister!
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:07 PM
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22. You would be surprised
to learn how many tourists either can't figure out or know and don't care about every piece of advice Vash offers.

I, personally, share in Vash's frustration.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. Ditto that. n/t
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. all i'm saying
Edited on Thu Nov-06-08 11:19 PM by realisticphish
is that this is hardly particular to DC... hell, I live in Columbus, OH, and we have the same behavior from morons who are here for whatever convention is going on downtown

though, i will cede the monument thing, but i hardly think the people who would do that give a shit what anyone else thinks :shrug:
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:24 PM
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27. Fine, but
I've been to Columbus and you're not nearly as dependent on public transportation as we are. DC has, in comparison with its population, almost no parking. Tourists can really screw things up for those who don't have parking passes and can't get to work without Metro.

I'm also guessing that we get a lot more tourists than you do, at least on those days when OSU doesn't have a home game.

Trust me - it's bad here. If I were in charge, I'd cut down all of the cherry trees in the area just to give locals a break in spring. In fact, it was tourists that eventually got me to move a bit outside the city so that at least I could have some peace of mind once I got home. I used to live in Woodley Park and couldn't handle the tourists (particularly the ones going to / coming from the zoo - it got so bad, that even though I used to live directly across the street from the Metro I'd take the bus and make my trip longer just to avoid them.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. no
but i've also been to cleveland and chicago, which DO have major public transit, and jerkoffs are jerkoffs.

I'm not trying to say that DC... hell, i don't even know what the argument is about :D

i think the OP was just written in an odd tone, and it bugged me. i dunno :shrug:
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. I understand.
I recognize by your post and a few others that the OP's tone wasn't well-received by all. I'm just saying that mostly everyone here who has to use the Metro would agree with the gist of the message, anyway. I know I do.

Take a look at the dozen tips I posted (#18). I tried to be more informative than snide, but on a couple (especially the one where I used a lot of caps), I couldn't help myself.

I didn't take our exchange as an argument, BTW. :)
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #31
37. heh
didn't know what else to call it :)
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:42 AM
Response to Reply #28
53. I'm not sure why, to be honest.,
I rarely used profanity, I used words like "please" and "kindly", and only once did I threaten physical harm. Everything else was just common sense. It might piss off people that think "Well no shit, sherlock" to everything I said, and I can see why so many might think I was regarding visitors to DC as country bumpkin or something like that. But the truth is that I encounter the things I listed multiple times, every single day - so it obviously isn't so common sense. And if that rubs people the wrong way, well... too bad. Inconsiderate people rub me the wrong way.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #53
75. well
i think part of it is the assumption that those inconsiderate assholes are all tourists, or at least aren't from dc. I dunno, like i said, it's not anything specific
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Lavender Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:12 PM
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24. I'm coming... it's happening during my vacation and right before my birthday
:woohoo:
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 11:30 PM
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29. In case you haven't already,
please take a look at my dozen pieces of advice earlier in the thread (#18, I believe). At least a couple will come in handy if you're not used to the area.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:22 AM
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38. Here's where I have a problem with standing to the right...
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 01:22 AM by GoddessOfGuinness
...when a parent is riding the escalator with their child, and needs to hold their hand, as cautioned in safety instructions.

I'm sorry...I can appreciate that sometimes people are in a hurry...sometimes I am, too. The elevators often do not work properly in the Metro stations, so it's unreasonable to expect those with children or elderly people who require assistance on the escalator to ride the elevator instead.

I agree that it's most polite to move to the right when not assisting someone else; but I don't think people's safety should be compromised because someone else is impatient. Maybe the best solution would be to have an express escalator, or stairs in every Metro station for people who are in a hurry to run down.

Flame away. :hide:
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:31 AM
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41. Would it be possible to have the parent stand in front of the child, holding the child's hand?
You can turn and face the child and kind of walk off the escalator sideways, holding the child's hand to make sure he/she doesn't trip. That way you are looking out for the kid's safety and not being in everyone's way.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:42 AM
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42. Safety recommendations tell passengers to face forward when riding.
It makes sense, as you're less likely to trip. Standing side by side helps the kid because you can tell him to watch your feet and copy what you do in exiting the escalator.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:39 AM
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60. You can still face forward and hold hands.
Not to mention that kids are small - just bring them as close to you as possible. That'll suffice.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:19 AM
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63. It doesn't suffice if the parent is large...
and trying to help someone off an escalator from in front or behind is not as readily done as from their side.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:40 AM
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61. You can still face forward and hold hands.
Not to mention that kids are small - just bring them as close to you as possible. That'll suffice.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 09:22 PM
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76. Ever been to Dupont Metro?
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 09:23 PM by KamaAina
or stairs in every Metro station for people who are in a hurry to run down.

That'd be about, oh, I don't know, three brazillion stairs. The station is like a hundred feet below ground. Even riding the escalator down gives me vertigo, 'specially last time, when I was holding on to two suitcases (headed for Please Don't Call It Reagan National)!

edit: caps (letters, not hockey :-) )
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 11:48 PM
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83. Yes, I have.
There'd be no more stationary stairs than there are moving ones.

If anything, it'd be better for people to run down regular stairs. Potential injuries would be less severe.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 01:48 PM
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87. Perhaps, but how about running (or rather, trudging) *up* them to get out?
:scared:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 11:55 AM
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92. I always thought that was the idea behind escalators...
You ride them so you don't have to tear your knees up....you don't use them the way you use regular stairs.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:28 AM
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40. Any tourist unfamiliar with very large cities needs to read this and heed it well
I realize some people think this sounds snotty, but I guarantee Vash is posting from 100% personal experience. I have lived in Boston and London and have seen every single one of the behaviors he describes. I had a couple of people I knew from home visit me in London, and they are both intelligent people, but they completely and utterly failed to catch on to escalator and sidewalk protocol. I had to actually TELL my sister to not stand RIGHT IN FRONT OF the gates to the London Underground and to put her Oyster Card back in her purse SOMEWHERE NOT IN EVERYONE'S WAY. Again, smart people... but being citywise has nothing to do with intelligence, as I have seen time and again.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 05:53 AM
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47. I've lived in New York and Chicago and it's true there too!
Oh my fucking GOD. Nothing like a whole line of bovine tourists strolling slowly four abreast on the sidewalk on the Mag Mile at rush hour.

Sidewalks in big cities have lanes just like highways do. Northbound/southbound, fast/slow. OBSERVE and follow.

In the middle of pedestrian traffic is NOT the place to check your map. There are few things city walkers hate more than having to break our stride.

Most of this is just basic urban etiquette really.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:39 AM
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44. One should also mention snow. If you are familiar with snow, you will not
understand why DC shuts down completely when there is the slightest smattering of snowflakes. The reason is that there are thousands & thousands of idiots who have moved to DC from places likke Florida or Texas, who lack basic snow-sense. So the proper protocol in DC when snow falls is: to shriek in terror and hide indoors with the covers pulled up over your head. If you don't, you will be sorry. Really.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 12:20 PM
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72. Don't forget running to the grocery store
And buying milk, eggs, bread, and toilet paper.

:evilgrin:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 04:03 PM
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74. Such Southern charm! I've seen that happen in the Carolinas and Texas
Weatherman says "possible snow," followed by big lines at every convenience store and empty shelves
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:40 AM
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45. And here I thought San Francisco hated its tourists
but this list puts any sfist screed to shame.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:38 AM
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59. Most tourists are just fine.
Like everything else in life, it's a handful of morons that ruin it for everyone.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 05:13 AM
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46. Instead of stampeding and crushing people on the escalator, why don't you perhaps leave
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 05:14 AM by Bunny
maybe ten minutes earlier or something? Then you won't have to be in such a rush to catch the Metro.




:hide:
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:36 AM
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58. Not exactly always possible.
It's not like I'm sitting around at my office twiddling my thumbs. In such cases, I'm usually getting out of one meeting late and hurrying to another one. Again, this is a working town.
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Phentex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:23 AM
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48. If you have scissors in your purse, do NOT blame the lady
behind you causing *her* to be pulled out of line for extra security while her kids and spouse watch. Admit you accidentally forgot them and take yer lumps. Grrr...
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:51 AM
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54. Escalators are one story, about 20 feet at the most
Are you in that much of a fucking hurry?
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:22 AM
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55. The escalators in the metro system are WAAAY longer than that
Some of them are definitely hundreds of feet long and take a long time to get from top to bottom.
You've never been on Metro have you? Or you wouldn't make such a ridiculous statement.
And while I don't necessarily agree with the OP on many of his points..standing to the right IS something that is important especially since Metro is a very crowded system.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:48 AM
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62. You've never read any of my posts have you?
Or you'd realize that sometimes I'm too lazy to include that sarcasm smiley

:toast:
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:44 AM
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64. DC's longest escalator.
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 10:54 AM by Chan790
Wheaton Station has one of the longest escalators in the world at 230 ft. in length. Total stationary (ie. non-running) transit time is over 3 minutes. (Edit: According to WMATA the transit time is 2:45...but I think they're full of it.)

Forest Glen is the deepest station in the system (-21 stories) but access is through high-speed elevator and total transit time is about 20 seconds.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:46 AM
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66. I didn't know that about Forest Glen.
huh. 21 stories in 20 seconds--thats indeed dizzyingly fast!
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:51 AM
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67. I didn't either...
I found it out when I was googling the length of the Wheaton escalator. I hate that escalator...I'm slightly acrophobic and I've had to squat 1/2-way down to not become nauseous on a few occasions.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:58 AM
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68. And I thought the Woodley Park Zoo escalator was bad
Note to self..avoid Wheaton station!:scared:
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 09:36 PM
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77. Holy cats! I might have to rethink that new apt. building that's right there
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 09:38 PM by KamaAina
did a phone interview with DC this very week, so am poking around for furnished places where I could hang my hat should this come to pass, preferably on the Red Line, as the place is back behind Union Station. One such place, brand-new, is right at the top of said 230-foot escalator. :scared:

edit: if only it were 23 feet (sigh)
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:35 AM
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57. Missing a train can mean waiting for another hour in some cases.
So yes, it's that much of a hurry. And as the other poster noted, DC escalators can be more than 10 times what you noted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalator#Longest_systems
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 11:14 AM
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69. Sadly, a good percentage of tourists are buttheads
wherever they may be. And strangely, the butthead tourists who need the comeuppance never actually read it (or think it applies to them if they do). And the tourists who manage to comport themselves with dignity and an ounce of intelligence always take these criticisms personally and get all huffy and indignant.

Send them out to Seattle. We'll let them clog the sidewalks and act like goobers on the Metro buses. They can even stand and stare, if they like getting rained on.

:hi:
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 11:38 AM
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70. Parking at Metro stations. Many require Smarttrip card to exit
This most likely will not matter on Inauguration day, and it doesn't matter on the weekends BUT if you park at a Metro station lot on weekdays you will require one of the plastic Smarttrip cards to exit the lot. The card costs minimum of $10 with $5 loaded on the card. Parking costs $4.75 per day. If you try to leave the lot without the card you will to make a line of angry drivers behind you back up so you can go into the station and buy a card. Only 3 stations have mulit day parking Greenbelt, Huntington, and Franconia-Springfield and the spaces are very limited. As a matter of fact parking at some stations is limited and parking in the surrounding neighborhoods is usually restricted to residents.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 11:47 AM
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71. That's a good one to note
Especially where many are staying in hotels further and further outside of the city.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 12:27 PM
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73. Also, remember not everyone is on vacation
A lot of people are trying to get to work, to the day care or afterschool care, to classes, to a meeting, to catch a quick lunch they can eat at their desks.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 09:51 PM
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78. I clicked on this thread thinking it would have helpful information
like how to find a good, cheap hotel close to a metro station.

dg
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:11 PM
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80. I can answer that question sadly...
you really really can't. On typical circumstances, DC hotels are obscene...when my parents came down to visit, they'd stay 1/2 hour or more outside the city. For the inauguration, they're already full. The only reason I'll be attending is because I'm moving to DC in early January.

One idea...seriously, if you want public transit and a cheap stay and time is not a huge factor for you...you can stay in Baltimore or Columbia, just outside Baltimore, and take the Marc into Union Station for about $10 each way. It's about 30-45 minute ride. Go down one flight of stairs and hop on the Metro. It'd probably save you about $100/day on hotel. My senior year of college in DC, I lived in Baltimore.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #80
82. Yeah, I figured that out with the closer hotels
but was interested in something further out, with travel options to the city. :) Thanks for being helpful.

dg
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 04:26 PM
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90. You are coming to DC?
I hope we get to meet up with all the DU stuff that will be going on....:hi:
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 08:27 PM
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91. Probably...
I have to move out of my house by Jan 2(-ish). My mother has decided that she wants to be alone and doesn't want the help anymore. So...I'm returning to the "real" workforce. I hate CT so...I'm moving away. DC is not certain, I have applications in for NPOs in NYC, Miami, Boston, DC, and Philly. If none of those come through, it's DC by default as my best friend is from Crofton and has agreed to let me crash while I look for a permanent position.

Know of anybody looking for a fundraiser?

I can't wait to get back to city-life.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 09:59 PM
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79. If you're gonna ride the Metro
Do some research on where you're going ahead of time. It can be confusing if you're not used to it.

http://www.wmata.com/maps/maps.cfm?fromMenu=MapsAndStations.0
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:21 PM
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81. V the S, this is brilliant
I was in DC in 2003 for a private function. We were lucky enough to go on the "Washington After Dark" tour, which I HIGHLY recommend. (I don't know if they do this during the wintertime, but it was amazing.) We stopped at the FDR for a look. It's my favorite monument. Anyway, these two idiot high school-age students started climbing on the statue of FDR like it was a jungle gym, and my husband had to drag me away.

That statue belongs to the people of the United States, not a couple of assholes who can't be bothered to exhibit any manners at all.

IMHO, YMMV,
Julie

p.s. We won't even go into the gaggle of loudly laughing students at the Wall. Even at 9 p.m. or so, the mood was solemn and contemplative. Evidently, these kids did not get the memo. It's too bad for those who wanted to quietly reflect.
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shugah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 01:10 AM
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84. as one who once lived in the area (NoVa resident, worked in DC)
#1 - i just want to say when i come back, i will purposely stand on the left side of the escalator, because i will get a kick out of pissing off the oh-so-important-district-dwellers just like i used to get pissed off because i knew the rules.

#2 - are you kidding??!!! escalators can be very scary! rosslyn on the orange line comes to mind.

#3 - those of you who don't have familiarity with DC - this is very important. DO NOT EVER ASK ANYONE FOR DIRECTIONS IN DC!! they will indeed appear very happy to help, but i assure you, they will give you directions with confidence and a smile, and it will be at least an hour before you realize that you didn't mis-hear the directions, but that the directions you got were not correct.

#4 - the district is a tourist destination. i finally swore off the Air & Space museum because of all the times i had to take our visitors there!

#5 - the monuments in DC belong to the whole country.

an additional tip for tourists: a lot of the people in DC and the surrounding area are mean people. i know i learned to be one after i lived there for a while. i look back and laugh at them and at me. if some resident of "The District" gets all up in your face when you are enjoying your inaugural experience, tell them to "chill the f*ck out!" really. they may grumble and growl, but they understand that hostility thing. :-)

LOVE AND PEACE!
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bbernardini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 03:10 PM
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88. Is it okay if my son wears Crocs while visiting our Congress critter?
He'll only be a little older than two that day, and he's pretty determined to wear only Crocs whenever footwear is necessary. Sometimes he even puts them on the correct feet by himself. (Also, he started singing along with "Psycho Killer" in the car today, the little scamp.)
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 03:28 PM
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89. I doubt they'd give you a hard time. n/m
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